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Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown[W:181]

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That was my point: both are working with what they have for leverage.




It wasn't a swipe at anyone. it's pointing out that politicians are going to be political. And it's the kind of stuff parliamentarian systems are built on.

There are too many people whining about playing politics when it is simply the other side doing what normally happens. In reality it means if you are not in power your perks are going to be less when the people opposing them are in power. It is about democracy in a society that tends to vote on things, and some people need to get used to it.
 
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or he's a politician being political. You know, sort of like the republicans in forcing this shutdown. Not sure why everyone wants to ignore that and act amazed, but get this, water is also wet

Really? WOW thanks for the revelation.

The only one "doing" anything is Obama taking the frustrations of his impotence out on the American people.

He's acting more and more like a tyrant every day. And I use to be one of those people telling people who called him a dictator to STFU. But now, I see what they mean...
 
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He is not attacking me or any of the other american people. The republicans have attacked our services and are preventing them from happening. This is the result of their refusal to vote in the house on a budget they should be voting on. This has nothing at all to do with Obama and you are lying.

He certainly is. Because you're all warm and cuddly cozy with what he's doing you'll let any travesty slide. I am not lying you are, the House has passed every budget it was suppose to, the Senate didn't like the Budget so they grabbed their little piggies and cried wee wee wee all the way home...
 
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He certainly is. Because you're all warm and cuddly cozy with what he's doing you'll let any travesty slide. I am not lying you are, the House has passed every budget it was suppose to, the Senate didn't like the Budget so they grabbed their little piggies and cried wee wee wee all the way home...

No, he is not. You may wish he was because you want people to hate him blindly like you do, but this is not the faux news discussiomn groups and your misrepresentation of the truth does not make it so. Again, just because a republican or two thinks the budget should be some way does not mean that it will be. It has to pass with votes, and if you do not have the votes then you do not get your way. This is how the US government works. Boehner wants his own special laws and he is not in charge. He is not even president with veto power. Just because he thinks something should pass does not mean everyone else does and he gets his way. Sorry, but even though you feel it should happen that way does not make it so. Now boehner chose to hold everything up until he gets his way and the dems have told him they will not allow him to run the government no matter what. Sorry, but he just is not our dictator no matter how much you wish he was, or tell us that he is.
 
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No, he is not. You may wish he was because you want people to hate him blindly like you do, but this is not the faux news discussiomn groups and your misrepresentation of the truth does not make it so. Again, just because a republican or two thinks the budget should be some way does not mean that it will be. It has to pass with votes, and if you do not have the votes then you do not get your way. This is how the US government works. Boehner wants his own special laws and he is not in charge. He is not even president with veto power. Just because he thinks something should pass does not mean everyone else does and he gets his way. Sorry, but even though you feel it should happen that way does not make it so. Now boehner chose to hold everything up until he gets his way and the dems have told him they will not allow him to run the government no matter what. Sorry, but he just is not our dictator no matter how much you wish he was, or tell us that he is.

Yes he is. I don't hate him blindly, I look and see what he's done and I hate it. I don't watch Fox News, I don't even have a cable provider. Again, because the Dems don't like what was given they are not only trying to take their ball and go home they're popping everyone else's ball along the way. This isn't the way government should be, you don't turn on the citizens like Obama and Reid, and every other filthy Dem of their kind are doing. Boehner is a putz who is in over his head and has surprised me by his backbone in all this, it seems Sen. Cruz found him a pair to use. Obama I didn't say was a dictator I said he was a tyrant. Which he is.
 
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There are too many people whining about playing politics when it is simply the other side doing what normally happens. In reality it means if you are not in power your perks are going to be less when the people opposing them are in power. It is about democracy in a society that tends to vote on things, and some people need to get used to it.

Well, we are a representative democracy with a parlimenterian system for a reason. And minority parties have always used the quirks of that system to their advantage. Just look at places wghere minority parties play the role of king maker, in appointing a prime minister, or are able to win undue cabinet influence due to being key coalition members.

Here, some of the most notorious examples are the filibuster and the appointment process. Where the majority party always bitches, but does nothing to actually overhaul it. Because they know they will eventually be that minority in need to level that undue influence.

Like I said, it's just how politics works.
 
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It is called a shutdown and religious services being offered on taxpayer dime are not essential. If you do not like it feel free to restart the government and all of it's services. No you do not just get what you want when you force everything to shutdown. That is not how it works, and yes this means that we will not be paying for catholicism in the mean time and I am OK with that.

I do have to say the mass amount of whining and complaining about the shutdown seems to be coming from the people who want it. You wanted it now suck it up.
You tell that to soldiers in the field who find comfort in their religious teachings. Before they have to sling a rifle and fight.
 
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It is not surprising considering we have a democrat president. If we had a republican president there would be more leeway for programs they liked and dislike. The republicans expect their stuff to happen and the dems to take the hit for their hissy fit and i see no reason for that to be the case. the republicans want to play this game and part of that is sucking it up for the sacrifices they deem necessary for the end to obamacare. Any time they do not want it we can have a vote in the house on the CR and be done with it. If you want to call that playing politics that is fine. i call it dealing with the consequences of the choices you make. It is the same thing as dealing with getting arrested for illegal protests. It is the same thing as being arrested for not paying your taxes out of protest. It is the same thing as paying the fine rather than getting health insurance. It is just the system. If you cannot get the vbotes to change things then they should not change for you unless the laws are unconsitutional which in the case of Obamacare they are not.
Carter and Clinton did none of this during shut downs. But please tell us how it would be with a republican prez.
 
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Yea ok :roll:

Obama's golf course is still open

The golf course is funded by user fees, not taxpayer dollars - as has been noted in other threads - and this one.
 
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You tell that to soldiers in the field who find comfort in their religious teachings. Before they have to sling a rifle and fight.

Georgia is now to be considered "in the field"? When did the state secede?
 
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Georgia is now to be considered "in the field"? When did the state secede?
Doesnt matter where. Soldiers in Georgia can be called up at a moments notice and sent into battle.
And if you knew anything about military chaplains. Their religion is more important than their service to the branch of the military they belong.
Hopefully one day soon, all people here in the US will turn their backs on the military and those in will quit it when its time to get out vs re upping.
 
Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

The golf course on Andrews Airforce base has remained open. Obama closed down the stores so people couldn't buy food, but he left his golf course open

Troops Forage for Food While Golfers Play On in Shutdown - Bloomberg



The Government isn't shut down. 83% of it is running smoothly. It's still going to pay it's bills. Enough with the histrionics. Go back to your handlers and have them type you up some different talking points.

Whatever your handlers in the Obama Administration are paying you, it's not enough

The DoD would have made the decision, not the POTUS.

Time to put down the Koolaid.

You can't really believe this garbage.
 
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Wait are you claiming Obama doesn't have the money to keep the memorials and church's open?

You aren't seriously making that contention right? Let me ask you:

How are those war memorials funded? :lol:

I mean seriously, the grocery stores are closed but the golf courses are open? Bad optics anyone? Obama just played another round there last week after he got done scaremongering the Economy. Like I told the other Obot, your Obama handlers are not paying you enough for what you do

And how is it funded? The exchanges stayed open while the commissaries closed because the exchanges are considered non-profits that pay for their own operations through sales and "profits" go to MWR (which also helps to keep open any MWR funded places during shutdowns). Commissaries however are actually tax-payer funded. This is also why commissary baggers work for tips instead of actual pay. Commissaries run at a loss, made up for via tax-payers.
 
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Doesnt matter where. Soldiers in Georgia can be called up at a moments notice and sent into battle.
And if you knew anything about military chaplains. Their religion is more important than their service to the branch of the military they belong.
Hopefully one day soon, all people here in the US will turn their backs on the military and those in will quit it when its time to get out vs re upping.

This isn't an actual military chaplain. He is a contracted priest. And the only info on this is coming from basically the same story being repeated over and over. Nothing about where the actual chaplains are.

And no service member is guaranteed access to chaplains whenever. Military needs outweigh a person's religious beliefs whenever they conflict. In this case, the conflict is really not that big of a deal since they are free to go somewhere else if they absolutely need to talk to a priest/chaplain.
 
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what does that have to do with the article you posted or the fact that golf course is funded by user fees? I'm sorry if this process confuses you, but you don't get to call a mulligan because you got your card pulled over making buffoonish claims




I literally just got done posting in another thread about how Obama has been a completely failure as both political leader and his role as an executive. Seriously, do you even think about what you're posting, or are you some type of semi-sentient spambot that just rattles off pre-programmed bull**** because you lack the intelligence to write something meaningful?




Actually I wouldn't even care, due to the fact it's the type of political fodder that appeals to dip****s

The golf course is on Federal land and we have seen that even though places are privately funded, they are closed because they are on Federal land. Why should the golf course be different?
 
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So in other words this does not get money from congress for it's operations and therefor stays open by funding from elsewhere. Now maybe you can explain why things not included in the budget are going to shut down because there is no budget? It is not like the republicans stopped payment for these operations so there is no reason for them to shut down. It would also seem that this is pure manipulative BS on you part.




Well, you are complaining about irrelevant points. If this is not so bad feel free to quit your bitchin. Catholic services have been shut down by republicans in an attempt to get Obamacare revoked. If you want them restarted then feel free to tell republicans to fund those government programs. If it is fine for you for the reps to hold those services hosyage so we do not get Obamacare then you have nothing at all to complain about.

Do you not think the on-base store is not funded by the ítems it sells?
 
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Do you not think the on-base store is not funded by the ítems it sells?

It's administration is run by the government and not by profit from those sales. It is on land run by the government. They make those decisions. Parks, death insurance and funds, and funeral homes are not stopping burials or providing their services. That is because they are privately owned and run. There are no churches being shut down because of this because churches reside and are run and administered by private organizations. No one would stop any of our troops from going to a local church if permitted and available to receive their religious whatever. When it is administered by government employees and you say that all that has to be held hostage over Obamacare then you have to hold it hostage. You take hostages in a building and we do not let you go to church because you want blessings in the middle of your hostage crisis. You want to go to church you end your hostage crisis. That is why hostage crisis' end because you wear down the hostage takers and make their lives harder and harder. You do not give them comfort because it only makes things go on forever. It is exactly what obama should be doing to get them to end the standoff. It is his power as the executive to do such things, and if he gives it up he will face further degredation of his supporter's opinions for letting the spoiled brats have comfort while the put us all through this.

he should take every dime of public welfare given to the koch brothers and stop every contract we have with them immediately until they stop working as the enemy against america. They are terrorists and if we are to ever treat a US citizen as a terrorist it should be them. Anyone who supports the republicans as they threaten the operation of our country and risk destroying it for their religious fundamentalist goals should be treated as terrorists. We would do nothing less to a muslim for doing this exact same thing.
 
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The golf course is on Federal land and we have seen that even though places are privately funded, they are closed because they are on Federal land. Why should the golf course be different?

can you cite some examples?
 
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The golf course on Andrews Airforce base has remained open. Obama closed down the stores so people couldn't buy food, but he left his golf course open
Troops Forage for Food While Golfers Play On in Shutdown - Bloomberg
The Government isn't shut down. 83% of it is running smoothly. It's still going to pay it's bills. Enough with the histrionics. Go back to your handlers and have them type you up some different talking points.
Whatever your handlers in the Obama Administration are paying you, it's not enough
What if the article you linked to in the above post pointed out that the seeming randomness of the things which are open and those which are not has to do with how those things are funded and with how many years worth of money an item is appropriated at a time and not the result of Obama's whims?
What if?
 
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What if the article you linked to in the above post pointed out that the seeming randomness of the things which are open and those which are not has to do with how those things are funded and with how many years worth of money an item is appropriated at a time and not the result of Obama's whims?
What if?

proof that Obama planned all this from the beginning and that his machinations have no bounds
 
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What if the article you linked to in the above post pointed out that the seeming randomness of the things which are open and those which are not has to do with how those things are funded and with how many years worth of money an item is appropriated at a time and not the result of Obama's whims?
What if?

Yea and pigs fly

Anyone who believes any of this is random is naive and should not be taken seriously

They wired the WW2 memorial shut. Capital Police were used to pickup trash after an illegal alien rally while Vietnam vets were handcuffed and sent to jail for visiting their memorial

You Obot shills have no shame and lack self awareness
 
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can you cite some examples?

Examples of what? Do you mean people being denied Access to their property because it is on federal land?
 
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Just more of the Obama administration trying to hurt as many people as possible, knowing the media will blame Republicans for it. I hope this ultimately backfires on him and Democrats.

That's the party of freedom and responsibility for you. They take the government hostage and then shift responsibility for the consequences onto everybody else.
 
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Examples of what? Do you mean people being denied Access to their property because it is on federal land?


you wrote:

The golf course is on Federal land and ***we have seen that even though places are privately funded, they are closed because they are on Federal land.*** Why should the golf course be different?
 
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Priest: Obama Admin. Denied Mass to Catholics


Another attack on Religious Liberties by Obama...

Shock me Shock me...

snopes.com: Catholic Services in Jeopardy During Government Shutdown

Not surprisingly, you are lying or badly misinformed. The Antideficiency Act makes it illegal for federal workers to perform their job duties during a shutdown except in certain specific circumstances, even on a voluntary basis. The law was passed in 1870. So unless you are going to suggest that Obama is really over 140 years old you have no point. And since we all know you would be first in line to bitch if you felt Obama was not obeying the law, this all falls apart as just another example of the right wing blogosphere stupidity.
 
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