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House Republicans seek probe of D.C. monument closures[W:120]

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CanadaJohn said:
Utter nonsense.

The CBO says the ACA will cost the government $1.2 trillion between 2012 and 2022 and you want me to believe some graph created by a couple of liberal "journalists" posted in a liberal newspaper that has a vested interest in protecting this failed President they've been blindly touting for years?

I'm not that stupid.
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You are joined by millions of other thinking people. :thumbs:

Greetings, CJ. :2wave:
 
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jonny5 said:
We were talking about the WW2 memorial. THis is not a facility, its land with a bunch of statues on it. Theres no bathrooms, no receptionist, nothing. Its a stone circle with some statues and plaques, and a fountain that doesnt have to be on. The public owns it and gives the NPS the power to regulate it. The NPS is shut down, so there should be no one to stop people going in.
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There are public restrooms (Men and Women) on the property.
 
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minnie616 said:
First of all you seem to be conveniently forgetting that in the next 10 years $500 billion will be saved in cuts. Also another $400 billion will be added from fines and there will be savings from preventive Health care and non duplicate testing when more patient files are computerized and made accessible to doctors and hospitals.
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I'm not forgetting anything - the CBO's numbers include the "savings" and revenue generated from the fines. They report the costs in the first 10 years as $1.72 trillion before any revenue and "savings" are included.

Dance on a pin all you want - your argument just looks more and more foolish the bigger the hole you dig.
 
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Jack Hays said:
All well here. I'm enjoying my unexpected time off. You?:peace
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All is good with me thanks - nice and sunny today - about to go back outside in a minute.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
Good morning Lady P. - hope all is well with you.
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Temps in the high 40s this morning, but it is expected to climb to the blistering 60s today! Too bad the neighbors closed their pool, huh? :mrgreen:
 
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Excon said:
Yes he is. The Republicans have been willing to negotiate and the Dems have not.

They are the Party of "No" right now.
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So what exactly are the Republicans willing to negotiate? Are they going to fund Obamacare now?
 
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minnie616 said:
As far requirements goes for individuals Romneycare and Obamacare are basically the same. Both require almost all US citizens
( it is problematic to insure the homeless and individuals who are " off the grid ") to buy health insurance or pay a fine/ fee.

Obamacare has more regulations for health care providers, hospitals, nursing homes, doctors, and insurance companies because the ACA is also trying to make medical care costs more affordable.
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The actual insurance they are required to buy is different. And the regulations are going to doom the law as medical providers cut staff and services and young people decide to pay the fine instead of sign up because the restrictions on underwriting make their insurance unaffordable.

If law were ONLY about the individual mandate, I'd agree with it wholeheartedly. But the devil is in the details, and the details will doom this law.
 
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Jack Hays said:
That does not mean that keeping the ACA would not also drive up the deficit.:peace
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Time will tell, but I believe I read numbers recently that it very well could drive the deficit up for several years. Our ever-increasing debt is another worry. "Since debt levels are calculated by adding the deficit to the amount of existing debt," [eHow on the web], how high can it climb before it can't be corrected without major consequences for all of us? :afraid:

Greetings, Jack. :2wave:
 
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polgara said:
Time will tell, but I believe I read numbers recently that it very well could drive the deficit up for several years. Our ever-increasing debt is another worry. "Since debt levels are calculated by adding the deficit to the amount of existing debt," [eHow on the web], how high can it climb before it can't be corrected without major consequences for all of us? :afraid:

Greetings, Jack. :2wave:
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Happy Wednesday, Polgara.:2wave:

We're in uncharted territory on the debt.:peace
 
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polgara said:
Time will tell, but I believe I read numbers recently that it very well could drive the deficit up for several years. Our ever-increasing debt is another worry. "Since debt levels are calculated by adding the deficit to the amount of existing debt," [eHow on the web], how high can it climb before it can't be corrected without major consequences for all of us? :afraid:

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From the CBO
CBO and JCT projected that the provisions of the ACA related to health insurance coverage would cost the federal government
$759 billion during fiscal years 2014 through 2019 (which was the last year in the 10-year budget window being used at that time). The newest projections indicate that those provisions will cost $710 billion over that same period. As shown in the figure below, the intervening projections of the cost of the ACA’s coverage provisions for those years have all been close to those figures on a year-by-year basis; of course, the 10-year totals have changed as the time frame for the estimates has shifted.

Those amounts do not reflect the total budgetary impact of the ACA. That legislation includes many other provisions that, on net, will reduce budget deficits. Taking the coverage provisions and other provisions together, CBO and JCT have estimated that the
ACA will reduce deficits over the next 10 years and in the subsequent decade.
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read more:

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Jack Hays said:
Happy Wednesday, Polgara.:2wave:

We're in uncharted territory on the debt.:peace
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:agree: :afraid: I wonder what the history books will say, since it's being deliberately done!
 
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rocket88 said:
So what exactly are the Republicans willing to negotiate? Are they going to fund Obamacare now?
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They are willing to fund it. They asked that the medical device tax be removed. That is pretty reasonable.
 
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Blue_State said:
They are willing to fund it. They asked that the medical device tax be removed. That is pretty reasonable.
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It would also be reasonable to have gun control and a tax increase on the rich.

Let the negotiations begin!

Poor conservatives, they have to pretend they're being honest about negotiations.
 
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head of joaquin said:
It would also be reasonable to have gun control and a tax increase on the rich.

Let the negotiations begin!

Poor conservatives, they have to pretend they're being honest about negotiations.
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Didn't we just do a tax increase on the Rich?

Don't we have gun control?

Be honest guy.
 
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Blue_State said:
Didn't we just do a tax increase on the Rich?

Don't we have gun control?

Be honest guy.
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Didn't we pass ACA?

Keep dancing. I know you want to pretend that negotiations mean the GOP makes demands and the Senate complies. But you're only fooling yourself. But it is fun to watch.
 
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Darrel Issa's face needs to be kept front and center in the American eye.
Since the Sports world does things in TOP 25s, I'll move Issa into the Top 25 at 25.
At this point, he replaces the Vice-President.
 
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Blue_State said:
They are willing to fund it. They asked that the medical device tax be removed. That is pretty reasonable.
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That is reasonable, but I haven't seen where they're willing to fund it with that tax removed. I'd like to see your source on that.
 
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Jack Hays said:
I think you're both stretching a point. There are many more personnel on duty than are seen when a federal facility is open, and it's not a trivial matter to secure the perimeter when it's closed.
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O...M...G! A reasonable post. How dare you!



minnie616 said:
Nope I did not give up...

Fox news reports that: There may have may have been a misunderstanding because Mount Rushmore park officials say the cones were put up to channel traffic to viewing areas.



Some of the cones were later taken down.

7 things the government shut down that saved practically nothing | Fox News
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*facepalm*

Can you explain why this "traffic channeling" was suddenly and coincidentally needed at exactly the same time as the shutdown? "Traffic channeling" that had never been necessary prior to this?

You do know what spin is, don't you? Yes, state officials were told this. It was included in the links I have been referencing from the beginning, and I addressed it directly to a post to another person prior to your bringing it up here. Just because state officials were told this does not make it true. It makes no sense whatsoever. It doesn't add up. It's hollow, plain and simple.

ETA: I find it ironic that the link you posted actually bolsters my point that much of this stuff is merely petty and vindictive and using the average citizens as pawns. Thank you for providing that.
 
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radcen said:
*facepalm*

Can you explain why this "traffic channeling" was suddenly and coincidentally needed at exactly the same time as the shutdown? "....
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Who said the traffic channeling has never been used before?
It is not at all unusual to use cones for traffic channeling at State and National Parks.

If guests stayed within the cones they would have been channeled to the good viewing areas.
 
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minnie616 said:
From the CBO


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Your cherry picking is commendable - the Obamabots will keep you as a favorite, dear to their hearts - however, you clearly don't understand the total impact of the link you posted. Bottom line, the net cost of the ACA over the period May 2013 through 2023 is $1.363 trillion.

This is far too embarrassing for you and I'll simply stop proving you wrong over and over again and let you wallow in the ignorance of your posts.
 
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