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House Republicans seek probe of D.C. monument closures[W:120]

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TheNextEra said:
No, the Republicans aren't. The compromise would be to take Obamacare off the table and the Repulbicans aren't wanting to do that. And the Dems want to keep Obamacare and they aren't willing to compromise there.

The one issue of Obamacare NIETHER side is wanting to budge, so it is BOTH their faults. The Republicans if they REALLY cared about the debt and spending, would take Obamacare off the table and then go for other cuts on the Dems side. Thay aren't. And I'm not saying the Dems are any better, they BOTH are at fault.

Neither side is working towards a compromise.
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Actually while I totally agree with you that this is both parties fault I do have to say that Republicans actually are compromising more than the Democrats on this. Republicans first demanded that Obamacare get totally defunded. When Democrats said no to that the Republicans reduced their demand to allowing regular civilians the same exentions that both Big Business and Congress got. Where as Democrats have said no to everything regarding this situation.
 
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Excon said:
Reducing your demands is compromising. Which is what the Republicans have been doing.


Making them at fault.


The only side not budging and not attempting to compromise has been the Dems.
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No, that's incorrect. And using your logic, the Dems said they would negotiate if Obamacare was taken off the table. The Republicans won't budge on taking Obamacare off the table to go after other cuts. They aren't willing to compromise either.
 
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Kal'Stang said:
Actually while I totally agree with you that this is both parties fault I do have to say that Republicans actually are compromising more than the Democrats on this. Republicans first demanded that Obamacare get totally defunded. When Democrats said no to that the Republicans reduced their demand to allowing regular civilians the same exentions that both Big Business and Congress got. Where as Democrats have said no to everything regarding this situation.
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Coming up with one extreme demand for another is not compromising.
 
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TheNextEra said:
Coming up with one extreme demand for another is not compromising.
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Umm...how was the last one extreme? It gave the same extension to regular folks as was already given to big business and congressmen? If it wasn't extreme to give to those two then why is it extreme now?
 
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TheNextEra said:
Coming up with one extreme demand for another is not compromising.
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And the Democrat stance that the entire federal government must be funded, as is, no questions asked, before negotiations can begin is compromising how? And remember the so-called "compromise" from Democrats on the budget is to increase spending from the sequester totals from earlier this year - so, for Democrats, compromise means one step forward, then two steps back.
 
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Kal'Stang said:
Umm...how was the last one extreme? It gave the same extension to regular folks as was already given to big business and congressmen? If it wasn't extreme to give to those two then why is it extreme now?
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It was extreme because it was being used to kill the bill. No amount of spin can change that, the GOP wanted to delay it for another chance to kill it. An extreme position.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
And the Democrat stance that the entire federal government must be funded, as is, no questions asked, before negotiations can begin is compromising how? And remember the so-called "compromise" from Democrats on the budget is to increase spending from the sequester totals from earlier this year - so, for Democrats, compromise means one step forward, then two steps back.
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Hence why I said BOTH parties are at fault, neither is wanting to really compromise. I don't hold the Dems better than the GOP. BOTH are horrible and their only success is putting us in debt.

The problem is the GOP isn't interested in stopping spending either, they just want to spend on the things THEY like. The Bush years taught us that and Romney even more with wanting to give the military MORE money than they were asking for. Neither side is trustworthy.
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
Because the gov runs those areas and they are not considered essential. Look everyone knew this was part of the deal when the gov shuts down...
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What the administration CHOOSES to close is an indicator of their motives and priorities. To place barriers around monuments that are otherwise unfenced... to place orange cones and block highway pull-outs so people can't take pictures of Mt Rushmore... are things that simply make them look petty and childish. Those actions make them look unconcerned for the average citizen, that they're using the average citizen as a pawn, and it's repugnant.

Just because they can do something doesn't mean they should. They have forfeited any claim to the moral high ground by being so petty.
 
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NIMBY said:
got trolling??
I'll be glad to respond to your post, which was on mine to another, when it doesn't have an attack, which mine didn't to the other.
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this is not an attack ,its a question of why you speak derogatory of listeners on the right, yet you are a listener of the left.

are both sides speakers, full of hot air?
 
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TheNextEra said:
No, that's incorrect. And using your logic, the Dems said they would negotiate if Obamacare was taken off the table. The Republicans won't budge on taking Obamacare off the table to go after other cuts. They aren't willing to compromise either.
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Taking it off the table is capitulation. Not negotiation or compromise.

The Dems are refusing.
Demanding the Republicans capitulate to negotiate is absurd. (and highly unlikely the Dems would then negotiate, especially as there would be no leverage.)
Now is the time for negotiations, and the Dems are refusing.
 
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TheNextEra said:
Hence why I said BOTH parties are at fault, neither is wanting to really compromise. I don't hold the Dems better than the GOP. BOTH are horrible and their only success is putting us in debt.

The problem is the GOP isn't interested in stopping spending either, they just want to spend on the things THEY like. The Bush years taught us that and Romney even more with wanting to give the military MORE money than they were asking for. Neither side is trustworthy.
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Well, I can agree with that in general, which makes me admire the determination and adherance to principle those elected on the Tea Party banner are showing. No one can claim that these new members are part of the historical spending problems and they're trying their best to force change the best way they know how. They don't have sacred cows, like the military - many want to see that cut too.

It's about time some people ended up in Washington who's way of handling spending and debt doesn't depend upon them dying before it affects them personally.
 
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TheNextEra said:
It was extreme because it was being used to kill the bill. No amount of spin can change that, the GOP wanted to delay it for another chance to kill it. An extreme position.
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Are Democrats that afraid of it actually being killed? Like others have said, Republicans have tried to repeal it 40+ times now. If it hasn't been repealed by now its not going to unless Republicans get a majority...are they worried about that? Not from what I have been hearing.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
They don't have sacred cows, like the military - many want to see that cut too.

It's about time some people ended up in Washington who's way of handling spending and debt doesn't depend upon them dying before it affects them personally.
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I think their sacred cows are social conservatism and that will be their downfall IMO.
 
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TheNextEra said:
I think their sacred cows are social conservatism and that will be their downfall IMO.
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Nope, I don't see that at all. The true Tea Party types are only interested in the financial health of the country. They want reduced debt, reduced deficits, and reduced taxes. The social issues aren't really issues of government to them. They're like Canadian conservatives in that regard.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
Nope, I don't see that at all. The true Tea Party types are only interested in the financial health of the country. They want reduced debt, reduced deficits, and reduced taxes. The social issues aren't really issues of government to them. They're like Canadian conservatives in that regard.
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I hope so, but with the bachmaan types trying to be the voice of the tea party folks I just don't see that happening.
 
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Excon said:
:naughty
Taking it off the table is capitulation. Not negotiation or compromise.

The Dems are refusing.
Demanding the Republicans capitulate to negotiate is absurd. (and highly unlikely the Dems would then negotiate, especially as there would be no leverage.)
Now is the time for negotiations, and the Dems are refusing.
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What is there left of the health care bill to negotiate away?
 
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TheNextEra said:
I hope so, but with the bachmaan types trying to be the voice of the tea party folks I just don't see that happening.
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Bachmann isn't a Tea Party type - she just glomed onto the movement to up her profile in the primaries - she saw how Palin worked it and tried to replicate it with zero success. I look more to the relatively silent types found in the tea party caucus in the Republican House caucus who simply stand their ground when it comes to spending and debt issues.
 
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Repubs, Please put Darrel Issa front and center again in America's face!
Democrats, remember the last time RepubLies did this?
 
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tererun said:
No I completely understand. You are telling me about your imaginary land that you live in and it is not the real world. In the real world the republicans are getting hammered because they refuse to infiltrate their message into new media and to appreciate new voter views. This is the last dieing breaths of your party. They have chosen to ride their train to the end of the line and to stand fast in the light of their own destruction. It will hurt them and you, but you have done so much to be an ass that no one gives a damn anymore about how much you are going to cry. Little victories are all you have left. This will not be the last stand for change. Obama has failed to bring it but the people still want it so they will have it. They are not running back to the old ways of shame and hate. Your people are dying. Enjoy your small little hole because you will be burried in it if you do not wake up and embrace the new age.
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Excon said:
Poor tererun, still not understanding and still living in a fabricated existence in his own little fantasy world and only wanting something so you can get yours, never minding that it will hurt this country. That is called being myopic.

No tererun, I am telling you that you are wrong. I have pointed out where your thoughts are wrong.
I am telling you that the crap you spew, is wrong.
I am telling you that you living in your fantasy world causes you to be blind to the truth.

You even fail at understanding that "they" are not my party.
So stop with your absurd lies.
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Moderator's Warning:
This and other baiting personal comments need to stop. Return exclusively to the topic, which is not each other, nor any other poster in the thread.
 
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radcen said:
What the administration CHOOSES to close is an indicator of their motives and priorities. To place barriers around monuments that are otherwise unfenced... to place orange cones and block highway pull-outs so people can't take pictures of Mt Rushmore... are things that simply make them look petty and childish. Those actions make them look unconcerned for the average citizen, that they're using the average citizen as a pawn, and it's repugnant.

Just because they can do something doesn't mean they should. They have forfeited any claim to the moral high ground by being so petty.
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"Morall high ground? What moral high ground has he displayed? He started out in the Sequester by preventing school children from visiting the White House. Many of those children often worked hard by holding bake sales, etc, to fund their trips to DC. And the Dems, who are constantly exhorting us to "think of the children," went silent on this. The White House belongs to American people, not whoever happens to occupy it at any given time, which seems to have escaped the current occupant. He does allow friends to visit him there, though, with bands, singers, and other entertainment, and food provided for them.

Now we are seeing parks and monuments, which also belong to the people, closed, even when donors offer to pay the salaries of the people who work there, to keep them open. And declaring 1100 miles of ocean off-limits to people who like to go boating might take the prize for most childish idea ever thought of. Are they planning on aresting people for visiting their property, and on what grounds?? That should be interesting!

So the trend continues and the games go on, but history books will tell future readers all about it! That's guaranteed! What a legacy, but not an unexpected one, when his background is considered!

Greetings, radcen. :2wave:
 
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Cardinal said:
What is there left of the health care bill to negotiate away?
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Whats not left?
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
Because the gov runs those areas and they are not considered essential. Look everyone knew this was part of the deal when the gov shuts down...
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There is nothing to run. So how does perceived bad behavior by Republicans justify going to extra lengths to make sure people cant use public spaces which cost the govt nothing?
 
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Ah yes, a probe is necessary but not an agreement to open the government up.
 
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