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Homophobic Daughter Letter: Grandpa Slams Daughter For Disowning Her ... [W:190:159]

Re: Homophobic Daughter Letter: Grandpa Slams Daughter For Disowning Her Gay Son

Did you hear about the guy who ran a conversion therapy ministry that came out as gay and apologized for the whole thing? :lol:

ha... that's funny. Guess I should have started at the beginning of the thread!?
 
Re: Homophobic Daughter Letter: Grandpa Slams Daughter For Disowning Her Gay Son

Have the identities of these people been revealed? When I first read about this on Yahoo a couple of days ago, one of my first thoughts was that there could be much more to this story and the family dynamics than what made the news. The son's being gay may not be the only issue.

Has there been a history of oppositional defiance between mother and son? Where's the dad? Are the parents together, or is there a stepfather around? What has the relationship between grandfather and daughter been? And how did the org which posted the letter obtain it?
 
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yes it has that why i stated that fact
i have no condition im straight lol nor do any other gays based on sexual orientation alone.
facts defeat you again

Dude that's hysterical, he just called you gay.(DV in post 34) (the funny parts being that 1-someone who posts threads challenging the kind of moronic thinking that is homophobia would consider that an insult in the first place and 2) That he considered it an insult ) doh
 
Re: Homophobic Daughter Letter: Grandpa Slams Daughter For Disowning Her Gay Son

You're not homosexual? Then why have you seemed to be taking it so personal and also spaming the board with repeated posts of pro-homosexual propaganda? With that much interests, I just assumed from that evidence that you had a personal stake in the subject, ie. you were yourself a homosexual.

I think it is a commitment to fight against injustices in all their various incarnations, not defense of his own orientation.
 
Re: Homophobic Daughter Letter: Grandpa Slams Daughter For Disowning Her Gay Son

Sorry, thats one of them things that are learned at home. Not from your friends, boy/girlfriends. Dislike of the homosexual lifestyle and agenda starts early for most people.

So you would be proud of a parent who taught there children to hate?
 
Re: Homophobic Daughter Letter: Grandpa Slams Daughter For Disowning Her Gay Son

Awesome. Grandpa teaches a valuable lesson to daughter about disowning a gay son by disowning her. Good thing he isnt a judgmental prick...

He didn't disown her. He said don't comeback until you can be more tolerant or something to that effect. He drew a line and she is welcome back when she stops being condemning and hateful. See the difference?
 
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1.) nope factually doesnt to this thread, your opinion about labels has has zero impact on this topic
2.) no they dont . they dont force anything on anybody

Really? So someone who labels him/herself "straight" would be just as comfortable with revealing an attraction to someone of the same sex and/or a desire to have sex with someone of the same sex, in the event that it happens,

as someone as someone who labels him/herself "bi"?

Now that would certainly be something--

we should tell all those "straight" guys frequenting Craigslist who say they're looking to experiment that they should tell their family/friends/co-workers about those ads. I'm sure they'd have nooooooo problem with that at all :rolleyes: :lol:
 
Re: Homophobic Daughter Letter: Grandpa Slams Daughter For Disowning Her Gay Son

You endorse the abandoning of a child because they dont live up to your expectations. Yeah...the thing is...you are her. Worse, because you are a hypocrite to boot.

It's not about not measuring up to expectations. It is about acceptable and unacceptable behavior. Condemnation, judgment, casting out your child vs give you child unconditional love. Not remotely similar things.
 
Re: Homophobic Daughter Letter: Grandpa Slams Daughter For Disowning Her Gay Son

Ah. So 'love' should be contingent upon basic necessities. Well...good thing it is 'conditional'.

By your definition of parenting you would let your children run wile and undirected through the streets.
 
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1.)Really? So someone who labels him/herself "straight" would be just as comfortable with revealing an attraction to someone of the same sex and/or a desire to have sex with someone of the same sex, in the event that it happens,
2.)as someone as someone who labels him/herself "bi"?

3.)Now that would certainly be something--

4.) we should tell all those "straight" guys frequenting Craigslist who say they're looking to experiment that they should tell their family/friends/co-workers about those ads.
5.) I'm sure they'd have nooooooo problem with that at all :rolleyes: :lol:

1.) i would :shrug" i cant answer for us all though, i know many wouldnt out of fear of bigotry and that would happen without a label. also notice how its hoots hole in the confined theory
2.) not sure what you are saying here but im guessing you are asking if they are different, yes they are one already knows he is by and one is just figuring out any comfotablity or fears are self inflected not lable inflected

labels only have the power YOU give them for yourself

3.) amazing what non bigoted adults can do isnt it

4.)what you are talking about is fear of bigotry or ashamed of oneself, the label doesnt do that, thats self inflected

5.) see 4

sorry you got nothing labels are meaningless a=unless oneself makes them meaningful

let me know when you have any facts to support a labeL FORCES people to be confined
 
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I think that's what happens when you do not limit the love you have for your children by making who they are nothing more than a reflection on you. "what will my friends think....(about me)" kinda thing. I never got that frankly.

me neither its severely selfish and illogical
 
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1.) i would :shrug" i cant answer for us all though, i know many wouldnt out of fear of bigotry and that would happen without a label. also notice how its hoots hole in the confined theory
2.) not sure what you are saying here but im guessing you are asking if they are different, yes they are one already knows he is by and one is just figuring out any comfotablity or fears are self inflected not lable inflected

labels only have the power YOU give them for yourself

3.) amazing what non bigoted adults can do isnt it

4.)what you are talking about is fear of bigotry or ashamed of oneself, the label doesnt do that, thats self inflected

5.) see 4

sorry you got nothing labels are meaningless a=unless oneself makes them meaningful

If labels (i. e. sex orientation labeling) were truly meaningless, then people wouldn't use them.

let me know when you have any facts to support a labeL FORCES people to be convinced

EASY.

If someone had no trouble/apprehension about changing his behavior in a way that was inconsistent w/the labels he had attached to himself, then he wouldn't be labeling himself (i. e. "straight" or "gay") in the first place.
 
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If labels (i. e. sex orientation labeling) were truly meaningless, then people wouldn't use them.



EASY.

If someone had no trouble/apprehension about changing his behavior in a way that was inconsistent w/the labels he had attached to himself, then he wouldn't be labeling himself (i. e. "straight" or "gay") in the first place.

1s) i never said they are meaningless in general i said they are meaningless in the way you are trying to use them. Heck one of my first post to you i said they are accurate and factual.

we use them for factual identification, now some people hide behind them and some people judge them but again nothing to do with the leable itself

2.) based on what fact? oh thats right, none

i ask you for a FACT lol not your opinion

i could make your same sentence without the word label and it would be true

If someone had no trouble/apprehension about changing his behavior in a way that they thought people would judge, then he wouldn't be worried about his behaviors in the first place.

now what?
sorry the statement i made from yours is the reality, the labels dont matter, the issue is people judge and the issues is people have self brought on demons.

labels wont change that

so again here is my question
let me know when you have any facts to support a labeL FORCES people to be confined
 
Re: Homophobic Daughter Letter: Grandpa Slams Daughter For Disowning Her Gay Son

every time you post this lie it just proves how uneducated you are on this topic, it is in fact about equality

oh thats right according to YOU, the law and peoples rights, and the court precedence doesnt meaning anything only your feelings, sorry while thats funny, facts prove you wrong as usual.

You keep projecting. It's amusing to watch :lol:

It's not equality if other sexually perverted groups are excluded. Equality means = everything/everyone is equal. Polygamists. Group Marriage. Transgendered freaks. Muslim pedophiles. Beastiality. If gays are born that way than so are pedophiles and beastiality types. All freaks are born that way, so in the interest of tolerance and equality we should coddle them and let them do whatever they want. Whatever sick fetish/perversion is out there can get married. The tradition and institution means nothing. Now has no purpose. That's true equality.

Marriage was created to bring the opposite sexes together. Not the same sexes and other perverted types together. No other sexual act can create new life, except for heterosexual sex. It's a biological fact. It's the Natural Order of all species. The institution and tradition of marriage was created because of this natural order of life. Noah didn't bring 2 male cows into the ark. :roll:

There is no doubt in my mind, if given the opportunity, you would take a child away from his parents if those parents taught that child that homosexuality as a lifestyle was immoral and deviant (which it is)

Your perception of tolerance only goes one way. It's obvious. Why should I be tolerant of gays if they aren't tolerant of Christianity or in a secular belief that Marriage has specific biological, social and economic purposes and should be left alone? I don't have anything personal against gays.. If they want to have parades and ram their penises into feces filled holes infested with bacteria in the privacy of their homes, than more power to them. Giving gays the special right to change the institution, definition and tradition of marriage however is pointless politically correct coddling. It's completely unnecessary. Gays control Pop Culture though, so they've brainwashed everyone into thinking homosexuality is trendy and cool.
 
Re: Homophobic Daughter Letter: Grandpa Slams Daughter For Disowning Her Gay Son

Have the identities of these people been revealed? When I first read about this on Yahoo a couple of days ago, one of my first thoughts was that there could be much more to this story and the family dynamics than what made the news. The son's being gay may not be the only issue.

Has there been a history of oppositional defiance between mother and son? Where's the dad? Are the parents together, or is there a stepfather around? What has the relationship between grandfather and daughter been? And how did the org which posted the letter obtain it?

So I went Googling, and according to Gawker, the org obtained the letter from "Chad," the disowned-for-being-gay son:

Luke Montgomery of FCKH8 just emailed us to say the letter was sent in by Chad himself. He adds:
"I'm trying to get the teen and his grandpa to come out publicly and do media interviews to spread the word. Right now they are scared and a bit intimidated with all the requests because it seems the kid is not out. I'll forward your contact info to them and work on getting them to speak out because it would be so good for the cause."

Grandpa Writes Letter Disowning Daughter After She Disowns Gay Son

So if granddad wrote the letter to his daughter, how did Chad get ahold of it and scan it into the computer? Did granddad actually give the letter to his daughter?

And what, really, would be the point of an "open letter"?
 
Re: Homophobic Daughter Letter: Grandpa Slams Daughter For Disowning Her Gay Son

1.)You keep projecting. It's amusing to watch :lol:

2.)It's not equality if other sexually perverted groups are excluded. Equality means = everything/everyone is equal. Polygamists. Group Marriage. Transgendered freaks. Muslim pedophiles. Beastiality. If gays are born that way than so are pedophiles and bestiality types. All freaks are born that way, so in the interest of tolerance and equality we should coddle them and let them do whatever they want. Whatever sick fetish/perversion is out there can get married. The tradition and institution means nothing. Now has no purpose. That's true equality.

3.) Marriage was created to bring the opposite sexes together.
4.) Not the same sexes and other perverted types together.
5.) No other sexual act can create new life, except for heterosexual sex. It's a biological fact. It's the Natural Order of all species.
6.)The institution and tradition of marriage was created because of this natural order of life.
7.) Noah didn't bring 2 male cows into the ark. :roll:
8.) There is no doubt in my mind, if given the opportunity, you would take a child away from his parents if those parents taught that child that homosexuality as a lifestyle was immoral and deviant (which it is)
9.) Your perception of tolerance only goes one way. It's obvious.
10.) Why should I be tolerant of gays if they aren't tolerant of Christianity
11.) or in a secular belief that Marriage has specific biological, social and economic purposes and should be left alone?
12.) I don't have anything personal against gays..
13.)If they want to have parades and ram their penises into feces filled holes infested with bacteria in the privacy of their homes, than more power to them.
14.)Giving gays the special right to change the institution, definition and tradition of marriage however is pointless politically correct coddling. It's completely unnecessary. Gays control Pop Culture though, so they've brainwashed everyone into thinking homosexuality is trendy and cool.

SWEET YOUR BACK!

projecting? well add that no the long list of words you factually dont understand. Unlike you i can back up anything i claim to be with facts

2.) laws, facts, rights and court cases and precedence prove you factually wrong. You opinion fails and gets destroyed again

3.) based on what fact and what does this OPINION have to do with legal marriage? oh thats right nothing
4.) more opinion based on zero facts
5.) factually meaningless to legal marriage
6.) see #3
7.) theres no factual proof he bought anything anywhere
8.) factually wrong but please continue to desperately try and sell this lie its one of the funniest lie you say.
9.) false as proven by my want for equal rights
10.) many gays are Christians, fail, im Christian lol
11.) that has nothing to do with legal marriage
12.) this is another lie, not wanting them to have equal rights is bigoted and personal
13.) Awesome i love when your overcome by emotions and post these types of melt downs they are funny
14.) nobody is giving them special rights, see #2 this lie as already been debunked

wow destroying all these lies and nonsense was really easy, usually your posts are a little better. Please dont stop posting we all love proving your posts wrong
once again facts utterly destroy you and your lies

as always if you disagree plesee post any facts for us that you think supports your posted lies, we'd love to red them . . .hell we'll take ONE fact that supports your lies . . ONE
 
Re: Homophobic Daughter Letter: Grandpa Slams Daughter For Disowning Her Gay Son

So I went Googling, and according to Gawker, the org obtained the letter from "Chad," the disowned-for-being-gay son:

Luke Montgomery of FCKH8 just emailed us to say the letter was sent in by Chad himself. He adds:
"I'm trying to get the teen and his grandpa to come out publicly and do media interviews to spread the word. Right now they are scared and a bit intimidated with all the requests because it seems the kid is not out. I'll forward your contact info to them and work on getting them to speak out because it would be so good for the cause."

Grandpa Writes Letter Disowning Daughter After She Disowns Gay Son

So if granddad wrote the letter to his daughter, how did Chad get ahold of it and scan it into the computer? Did granddad actually give the letter to his daughter?

And what, really, would be the point of an "open letter"?

so they say the kid posted it?

if true thats even more awesome! Good for him!
 
Re: Homophobic Daughter Letter: Grandpa Slams Daughter For Disowning Her Gay Son

Natural biological behavior is that of heterosexual.
Homosexual is the opposite of natural biological behavior.
Therefore, it is a mental illness/disorder by definition.

It has already been proven beyond question that homosexuality is not a mental illness or a disorder. You don't even know what constitutes a disorder, so you are not qualified to even make this determination. For example, natural biological behavior has zero to do with whether something is a mental disorder or not, especially since anything that occurs in nature, biologically, is a natural biological behavior. Therefore, your comments above are not only irrelevant, but they are laughingly ignorant.
 
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He isn't abandoning his child, Vance. She's an adult with a child of her own whom she is heartlessly kicking to the curb. He's giving her a taste of her own behavior.

She said some horribly vicious things to him, the man's grandson. Like, "Bringing shame to the family". Possibly she said being gay is an "abomination" and that goes "against nature". I don't know how she used those terms, but they are quoted. Those are (as S and M has already said) very abusive words and so is telling him she disowns him. My reaction, were that my daughter, would be similar if she were to abuse her child, my grandchild (mind you this is a hypothetical). My tolerance does not extend to abusers.
Yes, Gina...he is. What is amazing is you cant see it in your own words. He isnt abandoning her...he is just giving her a taste of her own medicine. You know...abandoning her.

Where this any other issue other than teh geyz, I highly doubt you and other here would have him up for father of the year award.

You, like others, would abandon your child rather than model love and compassion. Wonderful. ****ing amazing.
 
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He seriously said that? Was it word for word?
Its all perspective, isnt it? The father is employing the exact same tactic as the mother. Conditional love, and abandonment as just 'punishment'.
 
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well it could be i got it wrong, maybe he isnt defending the daughter but it seems like it
maybe he just thinks the dad is equally as bad, i have no clue how but maybe he does

like i said the only think that would make me judge the dad is if he himself released that letter to the public AND the names to go with it, that would be bad
Like grandpappy used to say...why thats just horse****, son. You know it isnt a defense of the daughter. It is a comparison of tactics. One you embrace...the other you shower hatred upon. You KNOW better...but...well...you just cant help yourself, can you.
 
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By your definition of parenting you would let your children run wile and undirected through the streets.
Dont be stupid. There is a difference between disagreeing and even disapproving with a childs actions and behaviors and disowning them. Are YOU a parent? Are you HONESTLY going to sit there and state that you would EVER abandon your own children? Or that you find that an acceptable act?

Pathetic.
 
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1.)Like grandpappy used to say...why thats just horse****, son.
2.)You know it isnt a defense of the daughter.
3.)It is a comparison of tactics.
4.)One you embrace...the other you shower hatred upon.
5.) You KNOW better...but...well...you just cant help yourself, can you.

1.) again your opinion is meaningless and you are factually wrong again
2.) no i didnt know hence me saying i didnt know and need to ask you, guess you missed the obvious
3.) tactics that are completely different
4.) still trying to by this lie we made fun of huh? maybe somebody else will buy it but nobody honest and objective here does. facts prove you wrong again
5.) nope i cant help myself destroying all your posts and proving you wrong
 
Re: Homophobic Daughter Letter: Grandpa Slams Daughter For Disowning Her Gay Son

Its all perspective, isnt it? The father is employing the exact same tactic as the mother. Conditional love, and abandonment as just 'punishment'.

this type of dishonesty is what made us laugh
theres nothing exact about it, to even say that exposes how severely dishonest you are
 
Re: Homophobic Daughter Letter: Grandpa Slams Daughter For Disowning Her Gay Son

1.) again your opinion is meaningless and you are factually wrong again
2.) no i didnt know hence me saying i didnt know and need to ask you, guess you missed the obvious
3.) tactics that are completely different
4.) still trying to by this lie we made fun of huh? maybe somebody else will buy it but nobody honest and objective here does. facts prove you wrong again
5.) nope i cant help myself destroying all your posts and proving you wrong
Its laughable you think you 'destroy' anyone. You cant see beyond your 'cause'. More than laughable, its pathetic that you still maintain it is acceptable for a parent...ANY parent to disown their child, ESPECIALLY in the name of tolerant intolerance.

Pathetic. Just...embarrassingly sad.
 
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