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What's confusing is how the so-called "gay" and "straight" crowd are attracted to individuals based on microscopic chromosomal information.

Moi, I'm usually attracted/unattracted to someone based on what I can see and touch.

Well that's cool with me. You can be attracted to whoever your orientation dictates. :peace
 
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LOL I think I get it now. She's saying we're all naturally bi? :lol:

OK, if you ever find yourself attracted to someone, you better make sure that his/her biological gender fits your attraction pattern as determined by your orientation.

If it does not, then you're committing a sin by breaking your orientation.
 
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you are free to have that opinion, meaningless to the thread but ok

No, it's not meaningless at all. Labels are unhealthy and injurious, because it forces individuals to artificially restrict their sexuality. Parents have every right to discourage attempts by their kids to label themselves.
 
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OK, if you ever find yourself attracted to someone, you better make sure that his/her biological gender fits your attraction pattern as determined by your orientation.

If it does not, then you're committing a sin by breaking your orientation.

LOL you are a character. :lol: I don't think that's how it works. I think it's supposedly a sin when a gay person doesn't go against their orientation.
 
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What does she mean by that? :confused:

i have no idea actually but its definitely not a fact or meaningful to the topic so i wasnt concern :)
 
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No, it's not meaningless at all. Labels are unhealthy and injurious, because it forces individuals to artificially restrict their sexuality. Parents have every right to discourage attempts by their kids to label themselves.

Huh? :confused:
 
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1.)No, it's not meaningless at all.
2,) Labels are unhealthy and injurious, because it forces individuals to artificially restrict their sexuality.
3.) Parents have every right to discourage attempts by their kids to label themselves.

1.) yes its 100% meaningless to this topic
2.) nothing unhealthy about facts and no LABEL "forces" anybody to do anything lmao
3.) yes parents can do what ever they want that doesnt break the law

again all meaninglessness to the thread topic

but you are free to do what you want and label yourself or not label yourself however you choose, doesn't matter to me do what ever makes you happy that isnt illegal or harms others
 
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LOL you are a character. :lol: I don't think that's how it works. I think it's supposedly a sin when a gay person doesn't go against their orientation.

It is, and the only valid orientation is someone's true orientation, not the one society gives him/her to enforce artificial separations.

Apparently, you do believe it's a sin if a person who called him/herself "gay" were to be attracted to someone of the opposite biological gender.

Likewise, you do believe it's a sin if a person who called him/herself "straight" were to be attracted to someone of the same biological gender.


What's the penalty for that? Does he/she have to do 10,000 genuflections to be forgiven for breaking his/her orientation?
 
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It is, and the only valid orientation is someone's true orientation, not the one society gives him/her to enforce artificial separations.

Apparently, you do believe it's a sin if a person who called him/herself "gay" were to be attracted to someone of the opposite biological gender.

Likewise, you do believe it's a sin if a person who called him/herself "straight" were to be attracted to someone of the same biological gender.


What's the penalty for that? Does he/she have to do 10,000 genuflections to be forgiven for breaking his/her orientation?

I like that you're taking a stance against labeling, but I don't see a problem with someone labeling themselves what they are. I don't believe any of that. I'm agnostic. :lol:
 
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1.) yes its 100% meaningless to this topic
2.) nothing unhealthy about facts and no LABEL "forces" anybody to do anything lmao

It does. That's what labels do, by definition. When a person labels him/herself in a way that describes a specific orientation, then that effectively prevents him/her from doing something inconsistent w/that.

That's why the whole "gay", "straight" thing is stupid--it enforces artificial barriers where none need be. It's a legacy of an old era where discrimination against homosexuality existed and artificial labels were needed to give the discriminated a sense of unity.

Queer theory is the modern correct view of sexuality and people need to get with the times.
 
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No...I am equating mindless hypocrites that cheer on an act of abandoning a child over their disappointing acts to the person that would abandon a child over their disappointing act. Except of course, due to their hypocrisy they are worse. Its tragic and sad to see so many intolerant people cheering on a man who clearly missed out on an opportunity to model love and acceptance, even of those they disagree with. But then...tolerance is only a topic you bleat on about...not one you actually embrace.

He isn't abandoning his child, Vance. She's an adult with a child of her own whom she is heartlessly kicking to the curb. He's giving her a taste of her own behavior.

She said some horribly vicious things to him, the man's grandson. Like, "Bringing shame to the family". Possibly she said being gay is an "abomination" and that goes "against nature". I don't know how she used those terms, but they are quoted. Those are (as S and M has already said) very abusive words and so is telling him she disowns him. My reaction, were that my daughter, would be similar if she were to abuse her child, my grandchild (mind you this is a hypothetical). My tolerance does not extend to abusers.
 
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1.)It does.
2.)That's what labels do, by definition.
3.) When a person labels him/herself in a way that describes a specific orientation, then that effectively prevents him/her from doing something inconsistent w/that.
4.) That's why the whole "gay", "straight" thing is stupid--it enforces artificial barriers where none need be.
5.) It's a legacy of an old era where discrimination against homosexuality existed and artificial labels were needed to give the discriminated a sense of unity.
6.) Queer theory is the modern correct view of sexuality and people need to get with the times.

1.) nope factually doesnt to this thread, your opinion about labels has has zero impact on this topic
2.) no they dont . they dont force anything on anybody
3.) no it does not, 100% false hell look at the political labels and you tell me who it stops from going out on thier own? sorry you are factually wrong. i am straight, and that label doesnt force me to do anything because im not a sheep or a robot, my orientation makes me straight. Now if magically tomorrow i find myself attracted to a gay, guess what? i go with it and no im bi, that label doesnt stop me LMAO thats beyond broken logic.

only sheep idiots are confined by labels and they do it to themselves.
4.) factual false on multiple accounts

it doesnt force anything, fact
the barriers arent artificial, fact

5.) nope wrong again its scientific fact
6.) ill stick with facts, thanks though good luck with your unsupportable theories.


note to everyone. I labeled myself agent J, that means im forced to be a black guy who works for MIB, from now on thats me, that label confines me to that.

also . . . . . . .look into this red things for me
 
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He isn't abandoning his child, Vance. She's an adult with a child of her own whom she is heartlessly kicking to the curb. He's giving her a taste of her own behavior.

She said some horribly vicious things to him, the man's grandson. Like, "Bringing shame to the family". Possibly she said being gay is an "abomination" and that goes "against nature". I don't know how she used those terms, but they are quoted. Those are (as S and M has already said) very abusive words and so is telling him she disowns him. My reaction, were that my daughter, would be similar if she were to abuse her child, my grandchild (mind you this is a hypothetical). My tolerance does not extend to abusers.

I think thats what people miss
what she did was factual abuse and neglect and i would have gave her a time limit to get some professional help and is she didnt get her act together then pressed charges against her and grat custody of my grandchild.

but my guess is, and its only a guess Vance doesnt view it as abuse at all since he said "If only the child would abandon homosexuality, the mother would gladly take it back..."
this seems very telling to me but again i admit im just guessing
 
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I think thats what people miss
what she did was factual abuse and neglect and i would have gave her a time limit to get some professional help and is she didnt get her act together then pressed charges against her and grat custody of my grandchild.

but my guess is, and its only a guess Vance doesnt view it as abuse at all since he said "If only the child would abandon homosexuality, the mother would gladly take it back..."
this seems very telling to me but again i admit im just guessing
He seriously said that? Was it word for word?
 
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He seriously said that?

yep, post 131
If only the child would abandon homosexuality, the mother would gladly take it back...
right before he posted a meltdown (that i edited out) and said im the intolerant one and that im practicing hate and im just like the daughter :lamo

that last part was freaking hilarious, reading a post of lies and nonsense like that that is so emotionally is always intriguing to me.
Im just not capable of that type of anger and raw emotion on a "message board", not to mention i have no understanding how somebody gets so upset over gays wanting equal rights and like issues. how does one get angry at others wanting the same rights and freedom they have.

How does one defend the daughter in this story, how does one say the kid should just stop being gay. All intriguing to me and if he comes back those are some of my questions

i want to know what he would have done if he was the grandfather. I said what i would have done.

I would of said the stuff in person right to her face but left the door open just like she did, i would have offered her professional help to get her **** together and fix her bigotry so the family can stay together and it would of had a time frame, if she didn't i press charges for abuse, neglect and abandonment and go for custody of my grandchild.

but some how, i just hate and im intolerant lol
 
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yep, post 131

right before he posted a meltdown (that i edited out) and said im the intolerant one and that im practicing hate and im just like the daughter :lamo

that last part was freaking hilarious, reading a post of lies and nonsense like that that is so emotionally is always intriguing to me.
Im just not capable of that type of anger and raw emotion on a "message board", not to mention i have no understanding how somebody gets so upset over gays wanting equal rights and like issues. how does one get angry at others wanting the same rights and freedom they have.

How does one defend the daughter in this story, how does one say the kid should just stop being gay. All intriguing to me and if he comes back those are some of my questions

i want to know what he would have done if he was the grandfather. I said what i would have done.

I would of said the stuff in person right to her face but left the door open just like she did, i would have offered her professional help to get her **** together and fix her bigotry so the family can stay together and it would of had a time frame, if she didn't i press charges for abuse, neglect and abandonment and go for custody of my grandchild.

but some how, i just hate and im intolerant lol
Those are good points. He never really offered up a legitimate alternative to what her dad did. Just criticized other people, and made assumptions about them
 
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This is surprising. It is not often that I see older folks taking a vocal stance on equal rights for gays. I'm wondering if this will be a reality check for his daughter, or if she will allow her irrational hatred to permanently destroy her relationship with her kid. Hopefully there's a followup story. This reminds me of a commercial Expedia aired. This is a step towards the end for public approval of the anti-SSM stance. "You have to make a decision. Are you gonna have a daughter that you're going to maintain a wonderful relationship for the rest of your life, or are you going to lose that child."


Well I'm a snotty mess after watching that so....thanks. My 19 yr old daughter is gay and when she is with her girlfriend (who I adore) she is the happiest, most light hearted version of herself. They are just perfect together. Seeing the acceptance or even simple tolerance for gay people growing and growing like it is makes me hopeful that she can live the life she was born to in peace, free from the judgment (or at least with less of it) from the ignorant few. Thanks for posting.
 
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Those are good points. He never really offered up a legitimate alternative to what her dad did. Just criticized other people, and made assumptions about them

well it could be i got it wrong, maybe he isnt defending the daughter but it seems like it
maybe he just thinks the dad is equally as bad, i have no clue how but maybe he does

like i said the only think that would make me judge the dad is if he himself released that letter to the public AND the names to go with it, that would be bad
 
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Well I'm a snotty mess after watching that so....thanks. My 19 yr old daughter is gay and when she is with her girlfriend (who I adore) she is the happiest, most light hearted version of herself. They are just perfect together. Seeing the acceptance or even simple tolerance for gay people growing and growing like it is makes me hopeful that she can live the life she was born to in peace, free from the judgment (or at least with less of it) from the ignorant few. Thanks for posting.

LOL you don't have to thank me for it. I was just lucky enough to see it while watching NatGeo. :mrgreen: I really want to see a documentary about parents who had apprehensions about their kid(s) being gay and how they overcame those apprehensions.
Edit: It might not have been NatGeo, I'm not sure. Might have been CBS.
 
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Well I'm a snotty mess after watching that so....thanks. My 19 yr old daughter is gay and when she is with her girlfriend (who I adore) she is the happiest, most light hearted version of herself. They are just perfect together. Seeing the acceptance or even simple tolerance for gay people growing and growing like it is makes me hopeful that she can live the life she was born to in peace, free from the judgment (or at least with less of it) from the ignorant few. Thanks for posting.

yep how can one watch that and not be touched by the pure love that father has for his daughter and the happiness of love
 
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well it could be i got it wrong, maybe he isnt defending the daughter but it seems like it
maybe he just thinks the dad is equally as bad
, i have no clue how but maybe he does

like i said the only think that would make me judge the dad is if he himself released that letter to the public AND the names to go with it, that would be bad
That's what I took his position to be.
 
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Good for that Gramps. Sometimes your kids need a swift kick in the arrse. Some people have no imagination when it comes to empathy, they only have the capacity to understand someone elses feelings when they know it first hand. I hope she reflects and grows, if not...it sounds like one of those situations where everyone is better off without her.
 
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yep how can one watch that and not be touched by the pure love that father has for his daughter and the happiness of love

I think that's what happens when you do not limit the love you have for your children by making who they are nothing more than a reflection on you. "what will my friends think....(about me)" kinda thing. I never got that frankly.
 
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LOL you don't have to thank me for it. I was just lucky enough to see it while watching NatGeo. :mrgreen: I really want to see a documentary about parents who had apprehensions about their kid(s) being gay and how they overcame those apprehensions.
Edit: It might not have been NatGeo, I'm not sure. Might have been CBS.

You might be interested in seeing the interview on the guy who ran than gay conversion ministry for so many years and then came out and denounced it as wrong. Found a link. It was Lisa Lings This is America


Exodus Head Alan Chambers' Full Apology to the LGBT Community - Our America - OWN - YouTube

Here is an article about it

U.S. group that 'converted' gays closes its doors and apologizes | Reuters

Here is the whole show

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li0dz7oYVIU
 
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You might be interested in seeing the interview on the guy who ran than gay conversion ministry for so many years and then came out and denounced it as wrong. Found a link. It was Lisa Lings This is America


Exodus Head Alan Chambers' Full Apology to the LGBT Community - Our America - OWN - YouTube

Here is an article about it

U.S. group that 'converted' gays closes its doors and apologizes | Reuters

Here is the whole show

Our America with Lisa Ling: "God and Gays" Special Report (Extended Version) - YouTube
I heard about this shortly after it happened. Talk about a reality check for the haters! :thumbs:
 
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