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VanceMack said:
Yes, Gina...he is. What is amazing is you cant see it in your own words. He isnt abandoning her...he is just giving her a taste of her own medicine. You know...abandoning her.

Where this any other issue other than teh geyz, I highly doubt you and other here would have him up for father of the year award.

You, like others, would abandon your child rather than model love and compassion. Wonderful. ****ing amazing.
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Actually, homosexuality is not the main issue for me. Abandoning a minor child is, as I feel it might be for the others you are referring to in this thread.

I spent last summer, 2011, getting a homeless minor off the street because his mother and her husband threw him out. Instead of finding services to get help with dealing with his issues (teenage angst), they tossed him out to sleep on park benches and couch surf at 16. I was stunned that his grandparents did not step in, or maybe I'm assuming they knew? Or possibly they did and that's where mom got it from? I know there was a great deal of pressure from her husband and she had to uphold his decision.

Or possibly the story of one of my neighbors will help you see where I'm coming from when I tell you she and her husband obtained custody of their 2-year-old grandson and had nothing to do with their daughter until she cleaned up enough to come around when the boy was old enough to ask about her.

So no Vance, you're wrong there. I want nothing to do with a child of mine who would abandon their minor child. My mom had every reason in the world to kick my brother out when he was a minor (he did really terrible things) but instead chose to find help for him. Thus modeling for me how a parent handles a child with issues, though being gay is not an issue, certainly not the child's issue and is definitely the mom's own problem to deal with (in the OP). Disowning him because she thinks homosexuality is icky is even worse than if he had actually done something to her.

What's amazing to me is how anyone could have any compassion for such a woman.
 
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Gina said:
Actually, homosexuality is not the main issue for me. Abandoning a minor child is, as I feel it might be for the others you are referring to in this thread.

I spent last summer, 2011, getting a homeless minor off the street because his mother and her husband threw him out. Instead of finding services to get help with dealing with his issues (teenage angst), they tossed him out to sleep on park benches and couch surf at 16. I was stunned that his grandparents did not step in, or maybe I'm assuming they knew? Or possibly they did and that's where mom got it from? I know there was a great deal of pressure from her husband and she had to uphold his decision.

Or possibly the story of one of my neighbors will help you see where I'm coming from when I tell you she and her husband obtained custody of their 2-year-old grandson and had nothing to do with their daughter until she cleaned up enough to come around when the boy was old enough to ask about her.

So no Vance, you're wrong there. I want nothing to do with a child of mine who would abandon their minor child. My mom had every reason in the world to kick my brother out when he was a minor (he did really terrible things) but instead chose to find help for him. Thus modeling for me how a parent handles a child with issues, though being gay is not an issue, certainly not the child's issue and is definitely the mom's own problem to deal with (in the OP). Disowning him because she thinks homosexuality is icky is even worse than if he had actually done something to her.

What's amazing to me is how anyone could have any compassion for such a woman.
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Noted. I'm stunned so many people would abandon and disown their children over ANYTHING. I think that's tragic. Beyond sad.
 
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nota bene said:
What would be interesting is having more facts. The org that published this letter says that "Chad" himself made it available and that efforts are being made to have him and his grandfather come forward. Given that Chad allegedly didn't mind sharing a letter allegedly directed to his mother--I would still like to know how a letter to his mother fell into his possession if he wasn't living at home any longer--maybe some of these facts will be provided once his 15 minutes begin.
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I would say one of two possibilities are likely. First, his grandfather showed him the letter before sending it to his mother, in order to show his grandson his support. Or, perhaps his mother actually showed him the letter sometime after it was sent, possibly to show how his grandfather felt about her. This all assumes that it is true. But it isn't unreasonable to believe that "Chad" could see the letter. And we don't really know what happened after the letter, again assuming it is true.
 
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VanceMack said:
Noted. I'm stunned so many people would abandon and disown their children over ANYTHING. I think that's tragic. Beyond sad.
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As I said, an adult abusing, neglecting or abandoning a minor is my cut off point.
 
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Gina said:
As I said, an adult abusing, neglecting or abandoning a minor is my cut off point.
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Conditional love is not something I associate with being a parent.
 
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VanceMack said:
Conditional love is not something I associate with being a parent.
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There are points where acceptance or tolerance cannot be unconditional. Should a parent maintain love and contact with an abusive child? What about a child that is constantly taking advantage of their parent? What about a son/daughter who abuses their own children?

And even given these things, the parents can still love their children without wishing to remain in contact with them, particularly if we are talking about adult children.
 
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roguenuke said:
There are points where acceptance or tolerance cannot be unconditional. Should a parent maintain love and contact with an abusive child? What about a child that is constantly taking advantage of their parent? What about a son/daughter who abuses their own children?

And even given these things, the parents can still love their children without wishing to remain in contact with them, particularly if we are talking about adult children.
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thats not what was said in the letter. Disowning a child is unnatural. So...with that...I disown you.

And you can't see just how "wrong" that is.

Color me NOT shocked anymore.
 
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VanceMack said:
Conditional love is not something I associate with being a parent.
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Who said anything about love? There is a point at which you cannot keep company with someone who is toxic for the damage it will do. The grandfather is right as there nothing good that would come of a relationship with his daughter. The hate directed at her son would only hurt him further. Cutting her off is completely justified.
 
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DVSentinel said:
You're not homosexual? Then why have you seemed to be taking it so personal and also spaming the board with repeated posts of pro-homosexual propaganda? With that much interests, I just assumed from that evidence that you had a personal stake in the subject, ie. you were yourself a homosexual.
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Atrocious reasoning.
 
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VanceMack said:
thats not what was said in the letter. Disowning a child is unnatural. So...with that...I disown you.

And you can't see just how "wrong" that is.

Color me NOT shocked anymore.
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Actually, he didn't say "I disown you". He just said that he wished to have no more contact with her unless she changed. (paraphrased, obviously)
 
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Gina said:
Who said anything about love? There is a point at which you cannot keep company with someone who is toxic for the damage it will do. The grandfather is right as there nothing good that would come of a relationship with his daughter. The hate directed at her son would only hurt him further. Cutting her off is completely justified.
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Yes...it's ALWAYS he best way to teach a child about hatred by calling he a bitch and disowning her.

Good lord.....
 
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VanceMack said:
Its all perspective, isnt it? The father is employing the exact same tactic as the mother. Conditional love, and abandonment as just 'punishment'.
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That's right. Everyone has a different perspective. Regardless, they are not even remotely equal. The grandfather is making a point. The mother is putting her child's health and safety at risk.
 
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roguenuke said:
Actually, he didn't say "I disown you". He just said that he wished to have no more contact with her unless she changed. (paraphrased, obviously)
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LOL nice! I think you are the first person in all 29 pages to point that out. :lol:
 
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davidtaylorjr said:
You should look up the definitions.
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no need your post totally owned itself and proofs you are absolutely factually clueless about this topic as multiple people pointed out now. Thank you!
its exactly what i wanted, we knew you had no clue about this topic and were severely uneducated about the discussion at hand but now its here for all to read and that fact is sealed now.

You provided NOTHING that even resembled a mental disorder and the things you talked about to try and get there were factually inaccurate themselves, this is why we all laughed and you have zero proof.

THanks for playing, that was awesome. Your posts loses to facts again as usual BUT as always if you would like to continue the destruction of your failed posts try again. Please try to post some facts that supports your failed lie again. We'd love to read it.
 
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Gina said:
Actually, homosexuality is not the main issue for me. Abandoning a minor child is, as I feel it might be for the others you are referring to in this thread.

I spent last summer, 2011, getting a homeless minor off the street because his mother and her husband threw him out. Instead of finding services to get help with dealing with his issues (teenage angst), they tossed him out to sleep on park benches and couch surf at 16. I was stunned that his grandparents did not step in, or maybe I'm assuming they knew? Or possibly they did and that's where mom got it from? I know there was a great deal of pressure from her husband and she had to uphold his decision.

Or possibly the story of one of my neighbors will help you see where I'm coming from when I tell you she and her husband obtained custody of their 2-year-old grandson and had nothing to do with their daughter until she cleaned up enough to come around when the boy was old enough to ask about her.

So no Vance, you're wrong there. I want nothing to do with a child of mine who would abandon their minor child. My mom had every reason in the world to kick my brother out when he was a minor (he did really terrible things) but instead chose to find help for him. Thus modeling for me how a parent handles a child with issues, though being gay is not an issue, certainly not the child's issue and is definitely the mom's own problem to deal with (in the OP). Disowning him because she thinks homosexuality is icky is even worse than if he had actually done something to her.

What's amazing to me is how anyone could have any compassion for such a woman.
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nailed it

good post and awesome story, good job gina

we did something similar in my family but it was my cousin, his mom gave him up for her more cool drug life and his dad, my moms brother (yes thats what i call him) was really no better. We took him in and tried our best for him. Now he was only about 14 years younger than me so i didnt have custody my parents did but i certainly played my role helping him school work, sports and driving him to events and jobs.
 
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Gina said:
As I said, an adult abusing, neglecting or abandoning a minor is my cut off point.
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yep seems like people are forgetting one is a MINOR who was abused and abandoned to the STREET by a CRIMINAL.

THe other is an adult CRIMINAL or failed as a mother who was just told shes out out the family loop till she wants to try to act right by a noncriminal.

how anybody sees those two as equal is beyond rational and reason, its intellectually dishonest.
 
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VanceMack said:
Noted. I'm stunned so many people would abandon and disown their children over ANYTHING. I think that's tragic. Beyond sad.
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Where are you getting this from? No body has even indirectly said that. Get real, Vance.
 
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VanceMack said:
Conditional love is not something I associate with being a parent.
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who mentioned love, nobody stopped loving anybody that we know of, the lengths your posts go to trying to paint a different picture from the known reality is funny.
 
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sbrettt said:
Where are you getting this from? No body has even indirectly said that. Get real, Vance.
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its simply a post that doesnt have a real argument its a to make it more dramatic, to invent strawmen and use appeals to emotions.
 
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AGENT J said:
who mentioned love, nobody stopped loving anybody that we know of, the lengths your posts go to trying to paint a different picture from the known reality is funny.
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It's also funny how in most of his posts it's a barrage of "That's... pathetic, how sad, blah blah."
 
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sbrettt said:
It's also funny how in most of his posts it's a barrage of "That's... pathetic, how sad, blah blah."
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dont forget the stressing of CHILD over and over again when its an adult

technically yes like definition 3 can be son or daughter but its just used to make it seem more dramatic.
NOBODY honest believes the granddad and mother are equal based on the story we have because what they did is factually not the same.
 
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DVSentinel said:
How was it proven? Where was it proven?

How does anyone "prove" their hypothesis/theory without the means to test their hypothesis?

If they know enough to "prove beyond question" then why is they cannot even tell us why it exists in the first place? What causes it?
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Proven in many studies, starting with the Hooker study from the early 1960's. This really isn't even debatable... except by those who refuse to accept facts.
 
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davidtaylorjr said:
Oh do show that proof, others here disagree with you, even though they also say I don't have proof. Do show us the PROOF that it is NOT a mental disorder, this will be interesting.
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Read the study done by Evelyn Hooker. I am not going to post it here because you and I both know that you have no intention of learning anything from reading it. You will deny the facts that the study produced, just like you deny every fact that anyone posts that destroys your position. I am not here to change your mind. I am here to show that you don't know what you are talking about and are completely wrong about every belief you have on this issue... something I do each and every time I respond to one of your posts.
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
Read the study done by Evelyn Hooker. I am not going to post it here because you and I both know that you have no intention of learning anything from reading it. You will deny the facts that the study produced, just like you deny every fact that anyone posts that destroys your position. I am not here to change your mind. I am here to show that you don't know what you are talking about and are completely wrong about every belief you have on this issue... something I do each and every time I respond to one of your posts.
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Post the proof.
 
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davidtaylorjr said:
Post the proof.
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Read my post, again. There is no reason for me to post the study. Firstly, it has been accepted as fact, has been acknowledged as a main reason why homosexuality has been eliminated as a disorder by the APA, AMA, WHO, and every major medical organization that exists. These are the experts that render these kinds of decisions, NOT YOU, NOT THE BIBLE. You have no intention of being educated on these issues, so you tell me why I should waste my time posting the study and discussing it with someone like you who intends to deny the reality of the veracity of this study? Explain that and I will consider engaging you in this.

Oh, and a response like "so I guess you refuse to post the study/proof" is nothing by a dodge from what I said above, so trying it will just make you look weak and confirm what I just said.
 
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