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Hot Mic Catches Rand Paul, Mitch McConnell Discussing Their Actual Government [W:100]

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Not sure how this is getting interpreted the way it is but the video I just watched caught to Senators talking about compromise and negotiation. This site has gotten pretty strange in the last 48 hours.
 
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Wow, that's the best gloss of pure cynicism I've seen in years. Bravo.
Highly unlikely as you have no idea what you are talking about.
 
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Not sure how this is getting interpreted the way it is but the video I just watched caught to Senators talking about compromise and negotiation. This site has gotten pretty strange in the last 48 hours.

I think rather it shows two Republicans scheming to "keep saying" something they know is false in the hope of influencing public opinion over an issue about which they are using the funding of government to appease their base
 
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I think rather it shows two Republicans scheming to "keep saying" something they know is false in the hope of influencing public opinion over an issue about which they are using the funding of government to appease their base

Clearly you don't understand the concept of catching someone in a hot mic. Or, you're just an uber partisan. I'd wager on the latter.
 
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Clearly you don't understand the concept of catching someone in a hot mic. Or, you're just an uber partisan. I'd wager on the latter.

Those aren't mutually exclusive. He could be hyper-partisan and not understand the concept of catching someone on a hot mic.
 
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Clearly you don't understand the concept of catching someone in a hot mic. Or, you're just an uber partisan. I'd wager on the latter.

Oh I think I understand the hot mic syndrome. People like Rand Paul actually saying the truth because they don't think the public is listening. So he and Mitch admit that maybe if they keep saying something that they know isn't true, the public might ultimately support them or at least their extremist base will and be tricked into blaming the Democrats.

Is that about right?
 
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Oh I think I understand the hot mic syndrome. People like Rand Paul actually saying the truth because they don't think the public is listening. So he and Mitch admit that maybe if they keep saying something that they know isn't true, the public might ultimately support them or at least their extremist base will and be tricked into blaming the Democrats.

Is that about right?
You are confused as to what was said.
There was no admitting to saying untrue things.
That is nothing more than your spin.
There were making comment on their surprise at the spin that was being produced.
 
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I've watched the vid clip, including the HuffPo reporter's brief analysis and don't understand how what the two men said is being interpreted as "cynical."
 
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OK, so Rand Paul got caught admitting that this was more about winning than doing something right for America.

Where did he say that OTHER than from you making assumptions and putting words in his mouth? I imagine both sides are caring about "winning" BECAUSE they think winning will ultimately be what's best for America, not in spite of it. I think it's laughably ridiculous (shocker that I'M the one called cynical in this thread) to think that any of our politicians are sitting there going "Mwhahaha, this will be ****ty for America but it helps ME WIN! And THAT'S What matters, MWHAHAHA".
 
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The thing that is most telling is Rand Paul saying "We're going to win this I think". It just shows how absolutely delusional he is!
 
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I don't even understand what was said. That exchange made no sense.

If anything, the conversation seemed to suggest that they were largely affirmed in their negotiation stance and that they were convinced that CNN or others had not polled Americans if it was acceptable for Democrats to say they would not negotiate on this shutdown.
 
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Oh I think I understand the hot mic syndrome. People like Rand Paul actually saying the truth because they don't think the public is listening. So he and Mitch admit that maybe if they keep saying something that they know isn't true, the public might ultimately support them or at least their extremist base will and be tricked into blaming the Democrats.

Is that about right?

wait a minute.. why are you claiming they are "saying something they know isn't true" ?

don't interject your opinion into their exchange or assume you know what they believe.. it's dishonest.


but of course they are cynical... being a cynic is a requirement for professional politicians... along with being a skilled liar.
 
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The thing that is most telling is Rand Paul saying "We're going to win this I think". It just shows how absolutely delusional he is!

that all depends on what they get out of the negotiations...I think it's delusional to think they won't win something.

they probably won't get everything they want, but they'll get concessions and so will Democrats.
 
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that all depends on what they get out of the negotiations...I think it's delusional to think they won't win something.

they probably won't get everything they want, but they'll get concessions and so will Democrats.

There are not going to be any negotiations. They are losing badly in the public opinion forum. They are ultimately going to have to do damage control. It is completely delusional that they can win anything at this point unless there is a huge wave of change in public opinion which is highly unlikely.
 
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The thing that is most telling is Rand Paul saying "We're going to win this I think". It just shows how absolutely delusional he is!

I love his insistence that if they just "keep saying" they will negotiate, maybe the American people will notice they aren't hostage takers.
 
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There are not going to be any negotiations. They are losing badly in the public opinion forum. They are ultimately going to have to do damage control. It is completely delusional that they can win anything at this point unless there is a huge wave of change in public opinion which is highly unlikely.

your opinion on these matters isn't worth jack. you are just a cheerleader hoping your factually stated opinions aren't as absurd as your overall ideology

Walker is toast. He made his bed, now its time for him to lie in it.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...y-support-walker-recall-2.html#post1059960273
 
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Oh I think I understand the hot mic syndrome. People like Rand Paul actually saying the truth because they don't think the public is listening. So he and Mitch admit that maybe if they keep saying something that they know isn't true, the public might ultimately support them or at least their extremist base will and be tricked into blaming the Democrats.

Is that about right?

What, that negotiation's are on the table for the GOP and not Democrats? Guess you haven't been paying attention but thats actually true.
 
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There are not going to be any negotiations. They are losing badly in the public opinion forum. They are ultimately going to have to do damage control. It is completely delusional that they can win anything at this point unless there is a huge wave of change in public opinion which is highly unlikely.

there will be negotiations..... of that I am confident... there are always negotiations.
yes, I know Obama has refused to negotiate with republicans... but that too will pass....sooner or later, they all negotiate.
you can only refuse to negotiate for so long before the people start to get real pissed... even if you have the high road going in, refusal to talk will turn around and bite you at the most inopportune time.


it's early in the game and all sides are still posturing...that too will pass.
 
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I love his insistence that if they just "keep saying" they will negotiate, maybe the American people will notice they aren't hostage takers.

I think rather it shows two Republicans scheming to "keep saying" something they know is false in the hope of influencing public opinion over an issue about which they are using the funding of government to appease their base
While I certainly am against what they are doing, that's not what is being said.

"I just did CNN and I just go over and over again 'We're willing to compromise. We're willing to negotiate.' I think... I don't think they poll tested we won't negotiate. I think it's awful for [Democrats] to say that over and over again," Paul said.
"Yeah, I do too and I, and I just came back from that two hour meeting with them and that, and that was basically the same view privately as it was publicly," McConnell agreed.

Paul added, "I think if we keep saying, 'We wanted to defund it. We fought for that and that we're willing to compromise on this', I think they can't, we're gonna, I think... well, I know we don't want to be here, but we're gonna win this, I think."
 
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What, that negotiation's are on the table for the GOP and not Democrats? Guess you haven't been paying attention but thats actually true.

Negotiations in the mouths of tea partiers means "kill Obamacare". That's not going to happen. They lost. Get over it.

Democrats in the Senate have already agreed to the numbers, so it isn't about that. But you know that. The GOP position is a farce, like conservatism itself.
 
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While I certainly am against what they are doing, that's not what is being said.

It's exactly what he's saying. His point is "say over and over again" that they are willing to negotiate (i.e. repeat the lie), but they aren't going to negotiate. It's kill the ACA or nothing. He's admitting it. His goal is to kill the ACA and he's pretending it's negotiable in public, while conspiring with Mitch and admitting it isn't, in a rather delusional fashion: "we're gonna win this, I think." (i.e., kill the ACA)
 
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there will be negotiations..... of that I am confident... there are always negotiations.
yes, I know Obama has refused to negotiate with republicans... but that too will pass....sooner or later, they all negotiate.
you can only refuse to negotiate for so long before the people start to get real pissed... even if you have the high road going in, refusal to talk will turn around and bite you at the most inopportune time.


it's early in the game and all sides are still posturing...that too will pass.

The reality that you aren't facing (for whatever reason) if that there is nothing to negotiate. This thing would be over in 5 minutes if Boehner would put it to an up/down vote, but the teabaggers want to keep playing games. Why would Obama ever negotiate with that? Maybe if the Republicans weren't losing so badly in the public opinion forum, but this right now is a win/win for Obama. there is no reason to negotiate with the teabaggers.
 
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The reality that you aren't facing (for whatever reason) if that there is nothing to negotiate. This thing would be over in 5 minutes if Boehner would put it to an up/down vote, but the teabaggers want to keep playing games. Why would Obama ever negotiate with that? Maybe if the Republicans weren't losing so badly in the public opinion forum, but this right now is a win/win for Obama. there is no reason to negotiate with the teabaggers.

This is not about Cruz and Boehner. IMO, it has always been about Cantor and P. Ryan, playing the TEAskidmarks behind the scenes.
 
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It's exactly what he's saying. His point is "say over and over again" that they are willing to negotiate (i.e. repeat the lie), but they aren't going to negotiate. It's kill the ACA or nothing. He's admitting it. His goal is to kill the ACA and he's pretending it's negotiable in public, while conspiring with Mitch and admitting it isn't, in a rather delusional fashion: "we're gonna win this, I think." (i.e., kill the ACA)

Why is it killing the ACA and not ending the immediate problem of the shutdown as seems to be the case? Winning seems to be with regard to the shutdown, not the ACA. The ACA is a long-term project, not an immediate problem.
 
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