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John Boehner: Obama owns this shutdown now

Whatever. Extremists will NOT carry the day.

What's funny is that you, and many like you, think that those of us who are opposed to the ObamaCare scam are the extremists. The ObamaCare scam is the product of unprecedented extremism. The devastating effect that it is already having, and will yet have on our economy is going to be extreme.

What is not extreme is those who are trying to stop it, and minimize the damage.
 
The senate has voted on the house bills. It's the house thats been refusing to go to conference committee with the senate.

That's a lie, there's nothing to go to committee on. Show me a credible link.
 
That's a lie, there's nothing to go to committee on. Show me a credible link.

Thats a lie. After the house and the senate each pass a budget they're supposed to go to a house-senate conference committee to negotiate the FINAL BUDGET. DOH!!!!

It's common knowledge....do your own homework and look it up yourself.
 
So the House Budget bill contains poison-pill wording to eliminate the ACA,
and the Repubs scream and shout blaming the Senate Dems for not voting on it. Interesting.
Why can't the House Repubs hold a separate vote against the ACA-----no, wait, they did that
---- 40 TIMES !!!!!
 
What is 'backwards' about living within ones means? The only way not to is to die before your overdraft is called.
Now it would appear to me that the debt is now large enough.*
U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

Maybe we can get it under control before it forces us into default. Maybe we can't. But if we are forced by other we will lose our position in the world and that would be too bad.

So stop worrying about smallish national differences of opinion and stop crying for more spending. Look at the clock.
What does that have to with my response to your "blackmail claim" or the fact that the debt ceiling must be raised to prevent a government shut down and the US defaulting on paying the debt which would cause a global economic meltdown? Not a darn thing as far as I can tell.

But since you're so worried about the debt...how do you propose to pay down the debt when republicans are shutting down the government and preventing it from paying on the debt which is needlessly creating more debt?
 
But since you're so worried about the debt...how do you propose to pay down the debt when republicans are shutting down the government and preventing it from paying on the debt which is needlessly creating more debt?

That, at least, is a good question. I think the government will have to reduce spending.
 
100 amendments all involving attempts to kill or delay the PPACA? Get serious (as in strip out the nonsense).

Perhaps you failed to follow the discussion. The 100 amendments I spoke of were those floored during PPACA debate prior to passage. This was deemed off topic thus I will not respond further.

The President should not negotiate with terrorists.... for one, it sets a very bad precedent. The issue at hand is should the government be funded until a budget can be put in place or not. Anything else is an irresponsible distraction. When with the Republicans throw these buffoons out of their party and get serious. This whole thing is bordering on treasonous.

This type extreme hyperbolic rhetoric is why we are in the shutdown. The GOP, Tea Party, et al are all Americans not terrorist, not wacko birds, etc. who have opinions just as valid to them as yours is to you.

As a side note how do you feel about the President negotiating with Assad and Iran?
 
So the House Budget bill contains poison-pill wording to eliminate the ACA,
and the Repubs scream and shout blaming the Senate Dems for not voting on it. Interesting.
Why can't the House Repubs hold a separate vote against the ACA-----no, wait, they did that
---- 40 TIMES !!!!!

Yep, and eight of those times (20%) the bills went to the Senate who passed it and the President signed it...you agree right?

Health Care - GOP.gov
 
From an outsiders perspective it looked like the GOP hugely underestimated the presidents resolve and his unwillingness to stand down from this issue. Not the same president they were able to bully before the 2012 election.
 
Appropriations are not the budget. You got the budget part right in that it is a framework for all spending which includes mandatory and discretionary. But the House and Senate budget committees don't determine how the "discretionary" money is appropriated because the Appropriation committees do that and they work within the framework of the budget.
Read post #87.
 
What's funny is that you, and many like you, think that those of us who are opposed to the ObamaCare scam are the extremists. The ObamaCare scam is the product of unprecedented extremism. The devastating effect that it is already having, and will yet have on our economy is going to be extreme.

What is not extreme is those who are trying to stop it, and minimize the damage.

Romney was an extremist when he implemented it in Massachusetts? Or is it because implementing it nationally is extreme? Or are there significant differences between the implementations where obamacare is extreme? If so, what are they?

Sorry, but it is not extreme. It was proposed by the American Heritage Foundation, which is a conservative think tank. It is part and parcel a centrist conservative idea. So much so that my own support for it is dubious. But what I will never support is the extremist actions taken to engage in extreme partisanship in an attempt to keep it from being successful in any way.

It was duly passed and the House must fund the government. It can be repealed when Republicans have enough control to do so. That is the responsible route that is non extreme.
 
If the American people think that this is anyone but Obama and Reid's fault they ARE as delusional as I thought...

Maybe but the American people are the ones who get to vote on who represents them in Washington.
 
Yep, and eight of those times (20%) the bills went to the Senate who passed it and the President signed it...you agree right?

Health Care - GOP.gov
Just finished reading through your link. Very helpful.
However, the Republicans harped on "Repeal and Replace" they seem to have forgotten about the "Replace" part.
 
If the American people think that this is anyone but Obama and Reid's fault they ARE as delusional as I thought...


Honestly. Congress and the Senate are to blame. Suggesting this is on Obama is typical right wing radio nonsense.

Meanwhile all of those bastards are still getting paid.
 
Honestly. Congress and the Senate are to blame. Suggesting this is on Obama is typical right wing radio nonsense.

Meanwhile all of those bastards are still getting paid.

I don't know what the Senate can do with the Tea Party Occupation Forces in the House hellbent on destroying ACA. The teabaggers will do anything to stop it, including shutting down the government and defaulting on US obligations. They are that deep into Obamaphobia. There is no reasoning with them. It just has to be played out and hope that rational Americans will recall the freaks in the tea party caucus.
 
Let's pretend that the House didn't turn down the Senate's 18 prior offers to conference over the past year.

Let's pretend. It's all conservative can do.

So then you agree, the Democrats in the Senate denied conference in the house. Thats all you had to say in lieu of the drivel you added.
 
You've got it totally backwards. Both dems and repubs agree the debt ceiling needs to be raised in order to pay the bills, but it's only republicans holding the country hostage if Obama doesn't defund his own healthcare bill.

Do you have any idea how much the republican's "blackmailing" the government is going to cost?

$300 million a day



Thats not very fiscally responsible of the republicans, now is it?

We can cut services and pay our bills, the ****ing democrats rammed that ****ty legislation down our throats and now everyone that already had great insurance saw their rates increase eclipsing raises. **** the democrats, let them suffer.
 
the leadership gets to decide what bills get to the floor.

and what many of these bills that harry reid tabled were bills trying to gut EPA regulations, or gutting Financial regulations.

You mean compromise? To hell with that!
 
Compromise, you mean when the House refused 18 times to go to conference?
You mean when Dems gave Repubs the sequester number they wanted?
After ACA, what law will next be attached to a CR?
Chained CPI--How about Medicare, a stated Repub position?
The hostage-taking stops NOW!!
You mean compromise? To hell with that!
 
Maybe but the American people are the ones who get to vote on who represents them in Washington.

Right and they elected the people in the House to repeal Obamacare which is what they're trying to do and getting hell for it...
 
Right and they elected the people in the House to repeal Obamacare which is what they're trying to do and getting hell for it...

since obamacare has already gone into effect, doesn't the argument of defunding it make no sense now?
 
Honestly. Congress and the Senate are to blame. Suggesting this is on Obama is typical right wing radio nonsense.

Meanwhile all of those bastards are still getting paid.

Didn't Obama say as POTUS the buck stops with him? Was that just more pillow talk?

Yeah, that is major BS that they get paid, just goes to show how corrupt the system really is..
 
Just finished reading through your link. Very helpful.
However, the Republicans harped on "Repeal and Replace" they seem to have forgotten about the "Replace" part.

It is necessary to clear out the trash before something useful can be put in the space that it occupies.
 
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