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It's scary that people actually believe that.
What is so "scary" about our system of justice?
It's scary that people actually believe that.
It's that what appeals are all about?
If there was an appeals court where a jury panel heard the case again or new 'evidence' was presented I would feel differently about it. And if a convicted democrate law maker had his conviction overturned by a judge GOPpers would be raising hell. And I would be saying the same thing that I am about this one. Partisans suck!
So partisanship is proven.
1. First, what do you have to say about the fact that at least 3 (some say 6 )grand jury panels were convened, all apparently perfectly within the time limit allotted, yet with all but one of them the prosecutor felt the results, umm, unsatisfactory shall we put it…he is democrat, lets lay that aside even with these 2 (possibly 5) previous , he may have really really been after the truth after all, doggedly persistent they call it…but what do you surmise about the 2 or 5 before the third or sixth “successful venture”? Add to that that:12 Texas citizens who heard the case day after day and witness after witness disagree with your partisan explanation.
See above and answer for yourself first, then ask if the citizens had proper knowledge how that may have impacted their verdict.Two republicans rewarding another republican for political services rendered to the party found a way to override the findings of 12 citizens entrusted to dispense justice.
Actually, with the appeals justice worked out fine in the acquittal…however there should be some sort of stiff penalty for putting a man doing nothing wrong through the ringer like this. You add that he was required by tradition and rule on our side of the aisle, that if you are in leadership and indicted for a crime, under House Republican rules, you are required to step down. He did so and so this frivolous indictment destroyed a career of service…what price should be exacted for that? It also kept a strong leader from doing the good he might well otherwise have done to assist our side…and for, simply, no real reason except blatant partisanship…which ironically you keep accusing only our side of…I guess when you see it constantly, every day on your side, you just don’t notice it anymore, it is just invisible to you, is it?What is so "scary" about our system of justice?
See above, they did not hear enough in the first case… the judge withheld important information…as bad partisans do, indeed, suck, where do you now place yourself…non partisan or suckie partisan? Just wondering.If there was an appeals court where a jury panel heard the case again or new 'evidence' was presented I would feel differently about it. And if a convicted democrate law maker had his conviction overturned by a judge GOPpers would be raising hell. And I would be saying the same thing that I am about this one. Partisans suck!
You have to love that Texas sense of justice. Don't forget the Branch Davidian Barbecue at Waco.. Youssah, they got it goin' on.DeLay conviction overturned – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs
Looks like something might have been trumped up given the overturning and the lack of DoJ action.
You have to love that Texas sense of justice. Don't forget the Branch Davidian Barbecue at Waco.. Youssah, they got it goin' on.
can anyone point out how the money he funneled to local races were proceeds from criminal activity?
surely there must be some factual evidence that back the charges of money laundering ( which requires the proceeds to be from criminal activity)
if the folks donating this money did not gain this money from criminal activity, then money laundering is not the proper charge to levy.
if Delay was unaware that this money was indeed money gained from criminal activity.. then the charges are still improper. ( Texas laws requires knowledge of criminal activity)
I could almost understand charging him based upon the new law ( the law was changed after he committed his act.) in which checks are considered "money".... and investing or financing in something to which furthers criminal activity..... but the ex post facto application of a law is universally unacceptable in our legal system
the criminal nature of the money manifested itself the moment the funds were given over to local, tejas, candidates
those corporate provided monies could not be used in that manner
however, the law then ignored the prospect that criminal monies could move by check ; state law provided a loop hole for such illicit money tendered by check ... which loop hole is what allowed the hammer to keep from being a nail
You have to love that Texas sense of justice. Don't forget the Branch Davidian Barbecue at Waco.. Youssah, they got it goin' on.
That was a FEDERALLY CONDUCTED BBQ please remember...under the supervision of chef BJ Clinton and his asst chef, AG Janet Reno...You have to love that Texas sense of justice. Don't forget the Branch Davidian Barbecue at Waco.. Youssah, they got it goin' on.
That was a FEDERALLY CONDUCTED BBQ please remember...under the supervision of chef BJ Clinton and his asst chef, AG Janet Reno...
I totally agree...and while I may personally have had some misgivings about Koresh, all those people being killed in such a brutal and senseless manner was a true stain on our country's heritage and history.You really don't have a clue.
Waco, Texas: Where A Part Of America'S Heart And Soul Died.
well, i could see charging him with improper/illegal campaign contributions... but money laundering doesn't seem to jive correctly, as the money in question is not from criminal activity.
legal "clean" money going to a person pretty much disqualifies money laundering charges..even if that legal money went on to eventually be "dirty" money.
if it were true that we could charge folks with money laundering for using legal money to do illegal things with, we'd have a whole lot more folks in prison...
nah, the whole idea behind money laundering laws is that it assumes illegal money is being laundered into clean money... not the inverse.
but yeah, the "old law" did allow for checks to be used... checks were not recognized as money under the old law....(ex post facto application of the law is a bad thing, i think we can all agree.)
I think it was improper to charge him with money laundering... and I pretty much agree that the evidence doesn't support a conviction under that particular statute.
personally, I think he should have been convicted of illegal campaign contributions... he knew the money was from corporations, and he knew that money shouldn't go to campaigns... that stuff is illegal in Texas and it seem like that charge would have a more solid legal footing.( the check "loophole" still stands in the way, though)
I'd be happy with some good old country boy justice ... a couple of nice hard punches to the assholes nose sits well with me, for some reason.:lol:
while he prevailed using the letter of the law, we still got rid of the hammer for quite a few years
Two republicans rewarding another republican for political services rendered to the party found a way to override the findings of 12 citizens entrusted to dispense justice.
And that's what it was all about. Destroying political enemies.
An odd coincidence that Waco showed up on the same thread.
When a Dem prosecutor decides to make up law as he goes to punish a Republican for being a Republican he has served the Dems well. They never have cared much about the law and probably never will.
Those "12 citizens entrusted" probably had little clue as to what the law actually was. They sure didn't hear what the law was from the Dem prosecutor. As the appeal judges made clear.
I won't blame those 12 for the miscarriage of justice when the fault lies with the political hack DA.
that's the way the game is being played. anyone who is even barely awake sees it
and the hammer exposed himself to such a hit when he violated tejas state law prohibiting the use of corporate donations to fund state political races
that's exactly what delay did
only texas law makers specifically excluded checks (at that time) from being found a conduit of criminal money. that minor - and odd - distinction is what got the hammer a get out of jail free card
1. First, what do you have to say about the fact that............................
When a Dem prosecutor decides to make up law as he goes to punish a Republican for being a Republican he has served the Dems well. They never have cared much about the law and probably never will.
Those "12 citizens entrusted" probably had little clue as to what the law actually was. They sure didn't hear what the law was from the Dem prosecutor. As the appeal judges made clear.
I won't blame those 12 for the miscarriage of justice when the fault lies with the political hack DA.
a jury of 12 Texas citizens heard the case and pronounced him guilty. That pretty much says it all.
Well, says it all if you add that this was after the prosecutor, a partisan democrat, subverted the grand jury system convening as many as necessary to get the results he wanted rather than looking for justice...and it says it all if you ignore the fact that even when asked by this very "jury of 12 Texas citizens" the judge failed to identify the true nature of the law in the case which, since they asked and had they been told, if they were honest Texans they would probably acquitted...and says it all if the country allowed ex post facto laws [ which we have all be taught since middle school that it absolutely does not ]...
So, yeah, your statement says it all if you want the truth to be absent of the truth...but why would one want that?
This development is very sad indeed and a serious blow to those who advocate removing big money from government and politics. Its a victory for the cynical and for big money..... not to mention crooks like tom DeLay.