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Matthew Shepard Murdered By Bisexual Lover And Drug Dealer, Stephen Jimenez Claims In

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j-mac said:
So, it would seem that a liberal journalist, Stephen Jimenez is coming out with this, and the liberal machine is not happy with him....It brings up a serious look into how progressive liberals construct 'narratives' though, and how to understand how they are rarely based in truth.

Thoughts?
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I think it's fair to say that it happens on both sides. That is why we should all seek out as objective a source for our information as possible.
 
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Have We Got Matthew Shepard All Wrong? | Advocate.com

Might be helpful to see a pro gay advocacy groups review of the book and situation. Heres the funny part...in the quest for normalization, wouldnt it be interesting to see that just like heterosexuals, homosexuals can get beaten and killed by their partners and acquaintances over drugs.
 
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brothern said:
This was already done. Jimenez produced a 20/20 with the same allegations in 2004.
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Link please.
 
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opendebate said:
I think it's fair to say that it happens on both sides. That is why we should all seek out as objective a source for our information as possible.
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I'll agree that we need to seek out as many reports from different perspectives to get to the truth, however, you seem to cast doubt on whether or not you believe that in the bolder opening of this post....When you say "it's fair to say that it happens on both sides" that isn't all together true now is it? Although the right may as of late, be using more of the progressive playbook of advancing agenda, it is a recent phenomena. I'll give it to liberal progressives, in that no one weaves a tale to fit what they want to advance better than they do. But, the meme that "they do it too" really is just a dodge meant to detract from what they do, and how or why they do it.
 
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j-mac said:
I'll agree that we need to seek out as many reports from different perspectives to get to the truth, however, you seem to cast doubt on whether or not you believe that in the bolder opening of this post....When you say "it's fair to say that it happens on both sides" that isn't all together true now is it? Although the right may as of late, be using more of the progressive playbook of advancing agenda, it is a recent phenomena. I'll give it to liberal progressives, in that no one weaves a tale to fit what they want to advance better than they do. But, the meme that "they do it too" really is just a dodge meant to detract from what they do, and how or why they do it.
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I'm not dodging it. Not sure why you even say that. Just commenting that it is rampant in MSM regardless of party.
 
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opendebate said:
I'm not dodging it. Not sure why you even say that. Just commenting that it is rampant in MSM regardless of party.
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Fair enough....But in this particular case, we are talking about the meme set up by GLAAD, and the LGBT community to launch an agenda, and the original narrative appears to be a lie.
 
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j-mac said:
Fair enough....But in this particular case, we are talking about the meme set up by GLAAD, and the LGBT community to launch an agenda, and the original narrative appears to be a lie.
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I always assume that the greater point is the issue for discussion. In this case, how trustworthy mainstream media is not whether or not this story was reported accurately.
 
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opendebate said:
I always assume that the greater point is the issue for discussion. In this case, how trustworthy mainstream media is not whether or not this story was reported accurately.
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Well, that is one aspect of it sure....As I said 'J' schools often further this aspect of dishonest reporting.
 
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j-mac said:
Link please.
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Huh ... ? It's on Shepard's Wikipedia page, the 20/20 episode was written about extensively and you can buy it on Amazon. It was also a discussion in 2009, when Virginia Foxx had declared it was all a hoax. There has long been a "truther" side to this, and it's really not that hard to find information on it.

Matthew Shepard - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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Gardener said:
You could always try talking about actual issues instead of throwing down the gauntlet by turning it into little but an exercise in partisanship. "Liberal" this, "Liberal" that. Yada yada yada. It is predictable and trite when people with an overemphasis on political orientation as identity go on their little witch hunts.
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Where were you when Obama's worshipers were/are defending his gestapo IRS and NSA targeting, attacking, harassing and spying on Tea Party/Conservative/Religious Groups?

The Mathew Shepherd narrative was a big lie. He wasn't this homosexual saint who was a martyr for being gay. Turns out he was a criminal who was mixed up in some nasty business.
 
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It all comes down to this as expressed by the Advocate: ""There are valuable reasons for telling certain stories in a certain way at pivotal times, but that doesn’t mean we have to hold on to them once they’ve outlived their usefulness"-


Liberals find it useful to lie, misrepresent or fabricate stories for the cause they push and see nothing wrong with it. I've know that for years and others have as well. That's why I never, ever take a liberal at his or her word on anything. Their practices go way beyond making a mistake here or there, it's done on purpose by design. I'm sure whoever wrote this story for the Advocate will receive a major dressing down by his fellow, any lie is ok conspirators. They pulled a major coup in this particular murder and won't be happy about their tactics being admitted to and shown to the world.
 
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brothern said:
Huh ... ? It's on Shepard's Wikipedia page, the 20/20 episode was written about extensively and you can buy it on Amazon. It was also a discussion in 2009, when Virginia Foxx had declared it was all a hoax. There has long been a "truther" side to this, and it's really not that hard to find information on it.

Matthew Shepard - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Well, I'd like something a little more reliable that a site that any yahoo can edit....Especially since the prosecutor himself says that the situation was 'driven by drugs'....
 
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ItAin'tFree said:
It all comes down to this as expressed by the Advocate: ""There are valuable reasons for telling certain stories in a certain way at pivotal times, but that doesn’t mean we have to hold on to them once they’ve outlived their usefulness"-


Liberals find it useful to lie, misrepresent or fabricate stories for the cause they push and see nothing wrong with it. I've know that for years and others have as well. That's why I never, ever take a liberal at his or her word on anything. Their practices go way beyond making a mistake here or there, it's done on purpose by design. I'm sure whoever wrote this story for the Advocate will receive a major dressing down by his fellow, any lie is ok conspirators. They pulled a major coup in this particular murder and won't be happy about their tactics being admitted to and shown to the world.
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I think that is absolutely right, and couldn't have said it better myself.
 
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j-mac said:
Fair enough....But in this particular case, we are talking about the meme set up by GLAAD, and the LGBT community to launch an agenda, and the original narrative appears to be a lie.
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You are lying again

The "meme" wasn't "set up by GLADD and the LGBT community". It came from the killers confession.
 
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j-mac said:
So, it would seem that a liberal journalist, Stephen Jimenez is coming out with this, and the liberal machine is not happy with him....It brings up a serious look into how progressive liberals construct 'narratives' though, and how to understand how they are rarely based in truth.

Thoughts?
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Librul progressive bad... herp derp.

Moar broken record claptrap.
 
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brothern said:
Huh ... ? It's on Shepard's Wikipedia page, the 20/20 episode was written about extensively and you can buy it on Amazon. It was also a discussion in 2009, when Virginia Foxx had declared it was all a hoax. There has long been a "truther" side to this, and it's really not that hard to find information on it.

Matthew Shepard - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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You do know that the prosecutor herself even came out and admitted the murder was about drugs and nothing else...right?

Like I said...even "The Advocate" is not so blindly convinced as you.
 
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j-mac said:
So, it would seem that a liberal journalist, Stephen Jimenez is coming out with this, and the liberal machine is not happy with him....It brings up a serious look into how progressive liberals construct 'narratives' though, and how to understand how they are rarely based in truth.

Thoughts?
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Yeah I read about it..... It's certainly interesting...

Of course the gay community is outraged (probably most progressives in general) that their poster boy may very well not be their poster boy after all considering they love "hate crimes."

A crime of hate was just the prosecutions idea in that case - that doesn't make it fact at all - it just happened to be a convenient motive.....

It's not exactly like our judicial system give a damn about facts..... It's usually a lie vs a lie and the truth is somewhere in between.
 
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j-mac said:
Oh, you think Jinenez is lying? Why would he?
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He's getting attention?
 
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j-mac said:
So you think the letter is BS. Why?
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Why would any just accept it?
 
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sangha said:
You are lying again

The "meme" wasn't "set up by GLADD and the LGBT community". It came from the killers confession.
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That's all you got? Really? The narrative was absolutely set up by pro gay community to give legs to the lie.
 
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poweRob said:
Librul progressive bad... herp derp.

Moar broken record claptrap.
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In this case, yes. And not "broken record", rather light shinning on a progressive lie.
 
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Boo Radley said:
He's getting attention?
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Ah, so a self admitted 'liberal, progressive, gay man' himself, constructed this elaborate lie that goes at the narrative canonizing Saint Matthew, and he did it all for attention? Are you serious? :roll:
 
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j-mac said:
Oh, you think Jinenez is lying? Why would he?
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I'm not sure, but for $19.95 you can read up on his motivations.
 
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Boo Radley said:
Why would any just accept it?
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Didn't say that you have to accept anything, and you probably won't...But any rational person can see that the meme of Saint Matthew was a lie, and how it was constructed is a useful bit of information to look at other progressive lies, and myths.
 
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Deuce said:
I'm not sure, but for $19.95 you can read up on his motivations.
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Sorry man, I think you are being a little simplistic on the motives, all for the sake of dismissing the truth.
 
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