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Matthew Shepard Murdered By Bisexual Lover And Drug Dealer, Stephen Jimenez Claims In

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Friends who only like you when you agree with them really aren't friends at all. We should all be unashamed to seek the truth in all matters, regardless of our personal feelings. This probably took a bit of courage on the part of the author- kudos to him.

Well, that's for sure...There is a whole industry built on this, what appears to be a lie....Although at present, I don't think that the LGBT movement any longer needs a martyr to rely on.
 
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Probably a bit of both, but the original story was a flash point of the LGBT activism explosion we see today. So, is it based on a lie?

Matthew Shepard was about 5'6" and weighed 125 pounds.. He had very nice parents who lived and worked in KSA and were very active in the church and Sunday school there. I think this is a hatchet job.
 
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"The Advocate" reviewed this...seemed to think the book and story line is credible.

I heard that in the interview last night as well....interesting.
 
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Ok, just so we are clear....the original story of Matthew Shepard being tortured and killed by 'redneck, bigot, yahoo's' often used by LGBT supporters to politicize the "right" as being behind opposition to gay rights, is FALSE! In fact he was brutally killed by not only people he knew, but other gay, or bi, drug users on a meth binge for his drugs....
 
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Fascinating. I have always thought it a little hard to believe the narrative we were being fed about the case. I just found it hard to believe that people care enough about an individual's sexuality to do this for no other reason.

I don't really agree with that. I have no idea what's actually true here, but with all the crazy people in the world there's no motivation for killing I'd find particularly surprising.
 
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Well, if it is a lie liberals don't seem to mind to go along with it.

"There are valuable reasons for telling certain stories in a certain way at pivotal times, but that doesn’t mean we have to hold on to them once they’ve outlived their usefulness"- Have We Got Matthew Shepard All Wrong? | Advocate.com


Pretty disgusting statement that provides clear light on the liberal mind. That being of course, any lie will do if it can advance the cause they push.
 
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Matthew Shepard was about 5'6" and weighed 125 pounds.. He had very nice parents who lived and worked in KSA and were very active in the church and Sunday school there. I think this is a hatchet job.

Your opinion noted, but what do his parents, and their church have to do with anything? IF he was a meth user, and was killed for his drugs by other drug users, then whether or not his parents were nice upstanding people have nothing to do with it.
 
Re: Matthew Shepard Murdered By Bisexual Lover And Drug Dealer, Stephen Jimenez Claim

Ok, just so we are clear....the original story of Matthew Shepard being tortured and killed by 'redneck, bigot, yahoo's' often used by LGBT supporters to politicize the "right" as being behind opposition to gay rights, is FALSE! In fact he was brutally killed by not only people he knew, but other gay, or bi, drug users on a meth binge for his drugs....

Where is the evidence that Shepard sold meth or any drugs?
 
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I don't really agree with that. I have no idea what's actually true here, but with all the crazy people in the world there's no motivation for killing I'd find particularly surprising.

I just find it hard to believe that his sexual preference alone was the motivating factor. That's just a little hard for me to grasp. Intentional murder is a crime of passion, and for most people to commit it, I believe there are very likely to be extenuating factors at play.
 
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Well, if it is a lie liberals don't seem to mind to go along with it.

"There are valuable reasons for telling certain stories in a certain way at pivotal times, but that doesn’t mean we have to hold on to them once they’ve outlived their usefulness"- Have We Got Matthew Shepard All Wrong? | Advocate.com


Pretty disgusting statement that provides clear light on the liberal mind. That being of course, any lie will do if it can advance the cause they push.


THANK YOU!!!!!DING, DING, DING!!!!! Give this man the prize!

This is the insight that is taught in many of today's 'J' schools....But there is no bias right?
 
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Ok, just so we are clear....the original story of Matthew Shepard being tortured and killed by 'redneck, bigot, yahoo's' often used by LGBT supporters to politicize the "right" as being behind opposition to gay rights, is FALSE! In fact he was brutally killed by not only people he knew, but other gay, or bi, drug users on a meth binge for his drugs....

If it says that in an anonymous letter, then it must be true!!

The fact that the perps admitted to torturing and killing him should be ignored.
 
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Where is the evidence that Shepard sold meth or any drugs?

Please read the articles provided by myself, and others in the thread....From the Advocate article....

"By several accounts, McKinney had been on a meth bender for five days prior to the murder, and spent much of October 6 trying to find more drugs. By the evening he was so wound up that he attacked three other men in addition to Shepard. Even Cal Rerucha, the prosecutor who had pushed for the death sentence for McKinney and Henderson, would later concede on ABC’s 20/20 that “it was a murder that was driven by drugs.”
 
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If it says that in an anonymous letter, then it must be true!!

The fact that the perps admitted to torturing and killing him should be ignored.

The prosecutor says this was a drug fueled killing.
 
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Ok, thanks for clearing that up....Regardless of it happening on both sides, I would say that more often this is a liberal tactic to further agendas....That's my opinion ofcourse.
Are you counting the times you do it… like this? :2razz:

Oh, you think Jinenez is lying? Why would he?
I'd suggest reason number one - money. I doubt he's lying as such but this kind of book will often offer whatever speculative conclusion will stir up the most controvercy.
 
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Please read the articles provided by myself, and others in the thread....From the Advocate article....

"By several accounts, McKinney had been on a meth bender for five days prior to the murder, and spent much of October 6 trying to find more drugs. By the evening he was so wound up that he attacked three other men in addition to Shepard. Even Cal Rerucha, the prosecutor who had pushed for the death sentence for McKinney and Henderson, would later concede on ABC’s 20/20 that “it was a murder that was driven by drugs.”

Does that mean that Shepard was a drug dealer? Sheesh.
 
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Why is it reasonable? There could be plenty of reasons that the letter is anonymous...Drugs involved being one of them...

And we have no way to find out. Without that corroboration, we should not give it any weight, since we know nothing about it.
 
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Are you counting the times you do it… like this?

Oh, so attacking me personally solve the question right? :roll:

I'd suggest reason number one - money. I doubt he's lying as such but this kind of book will often offer whatever speculative conclusion will stir up the most controvercy.

And the fact that a 'gay publication' the Advocate seem to agree with Jimenez, and the Prosecutor says that the murder was driven by drugs should all be ignored right?
 
Re: Matthew Shepard Murdered By Bisexual Lover And Drug Dealer, Stephen Jimenez Claim

Please read the articles provided by myself, and others in the thread....From the Advocate article....

"By several accounts, McKinney had been on a meth bender for five days prior to the murder, and spent much of October 6 trying to find more drugs. By the evening he was so wound up that he attacked three other men in addition to Shepard. Even Cal Rerucha, the prosecutor who had pushed for the death sentence for McKinney and Henderson, would later concede on ABC’s 20/20 that “it was a murder that was driven by drugs.”

Cal Rerucha never said that Sheperd was killed for drugs. You are being dishonest to imply that

From the article
Whether it was a hate crime, a drug crime, or a combination of the two, it’s hard to shake the suspicion that self-hate and a misguided culture of masculinity, which taught McKinney to abhor in himself what Shepard had learned to embrace, was as complicit as anything else in the murder of Matthew Shepard.
 
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Does that mean that Shepard was a drug dealer? Sheesh.

It means what it says, the murder was driven by drugs, not by homophobia....Next!
 
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And we have no way to find out. Without that corroboration, we should not give it any weight, since we know nothing about it.

The prosecutor disagrees with you.
 
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It means what it says, the murder was driven by drugs, not by homophobia....Next!

They took him, tortured him most cruelly and hung him on a fence on a cold night....

Are you blaming the victim?
 
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Oh, so attacking me personally solve the question right? :roll:



And the fact that a 'gay publication' the Advocate seem to agree with Jimenez, and the Prosecutor says that the murder was driven by drugs should all be ignored right?

The Advocate doesn't agree with Jimenez. They call the murder a "hate crime"
 
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Cal Rerucha never said that Sheperd was killed for drugs. You are being dishonest to imply that...

You are lying here....Again from the article...


Cal Rerucha said on 20/20 “it was a murder that was driven by drugs.”
 
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It means what it says, the murder was driven by drugs, not by homophobia....Next!

The Advocate says it was driven by homophobia and was a hate crime

That is, of course, a kind of hate crime — just not as straightforward as the one we’ve embraced all these years.
 
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