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Assad tells Obama to stop arming rebels or no deal

That's because Kerry like the French and the Opposition don't know how to count. Yet they still like to admit they don't know who they are dealing with nor who is all behind who.

Of course your narrative concerning the FSA being the good guys. Was already debunked. Which again produce a link to the good guys that can attain power and who they are and what they are standing for in Syria?

http://www.debatepolitics.com/gener...france-falsified-number-dead-chem-attack.html


Regarding Syria, you find RT, PressTV, Assad and random bloggers more reliable than the US government and the UN?

That's CT world.
 
Here are those that make up the FSA and the STNC and whos backing them.....So much for the theory on the Good Guys being the FSA and the STNC. :roll:


Syrian Free Army names Salim Idris new chief of staff

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The opposition Free Syrian Army elected a new military command, replacing Colonel Riad al-Asaad with Brigadier General Salim Idris, Al Arabiya television reported early on Monday

Idris told Al Arabiya in a telephone interview that the new command was elected by hundreds of rebels. Because they "are the real fighters on the ground, they decided to choose who leads them in the battle against Bashar al-Assad."

The unified command includes many with ties to the Muslim Brotherhood and to Salafists, who follow a puritanical interpretation of Islam. It excludes the most senior officers who have defected from Assad’s military, according to Reuters.

Syrian Free Army names Salim Idris new chief of staff

Uhm, that's correct it excludes most seniors officers that have defected from Assad.....the same ass ones that were all taking part of what they are accusing Assad of. Generals and upper officers who could do as they please under Assad's Flag. Most defected thinking they can get Amnesty or something like that, of course also in leading the Rebellion against Assad. Traitors who couldn't be trusted in anything. They have to say.

Defectors.....traitors. The same cruel ass murdering scumbuckets like in Assad's Security Forces.

ECO.....UHOO :2wave: .....Wheres your Good guys now????? :shock:

Wheres that mouth now, lil younger brutha???
 
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Regarding Syria, you find RT, PressTV, Assad and random bloggers more reliable than the US government and the UN?

That's CT world.

To bad mine include The Main Sources where most others get theirs. That would be the AP, Reuters and UPI. Then I have CNN, The BBC, Time, ABC, Foreign Policy. Stars and Stripes and Strafor. Local news.....as well as RT Asian Times Pravada and Al jazerra.

Regarding Syria.....you are the one that is Light on links and sources. Also you are the one that cant figure out about validated referenced sources. Which is why you still deflect to the issue.

Which just like Now.....you can't produce **** on your Good Guy theory.
 
To bad mine include The Main Sources where most others get theirs. That would be the AP, Reuters and UPI. Then I have CNN, The BBC, Time, ABC, Foreign Policy. Stars and Stripes and Strafor. Local news.....as well as RT Asian Times Pravada and Al jazerra.

Regarding Syria.....you are the one that is Light on links and sources. Also you are the one that cant figure out about validated referenced sources. Which is why you still deflect to the issue.

Which just like Now.....you can't produce **** on your Good Guy theory.

I've provided references to secretary Kerry, president Obama and the UN.

You provide references to RT, PressTV, Assad and blogs.

The difference is clear. This is like debating with a Truther.
 
I've provided references to secretary Kerry, president Obama and the UN.

You provide references to RT, PressTV, Assad and blogs.

The difference is clear. This is like debating with a Truther.



Try looking up all my links instead of the ones you cry and whine about. Where is your link to the Good Guys Eco.....where is that fricken link that you never have.

Oooopsie again, look like this one is where the FSA broadcast their News Directly.

Alarabiya.net English

Says it all ECO.....on Syria.....you don't know jack ****.
 
I just heard a news report that fighting has broken out between factions opposing Assad. Now we have the Assad government fighting rebels and rebels fighting rebels. Pick a side.
 
These are just some of the threads I started. Notice how the deceit you spout concerning what I have up just doesn't pan on out. Nor does it now even give you any credible ground to stand on. What do I we need all to come and look see.....just to show the whole Site here how much you are full of ****?


Syria's war splits nation into 3 distinct regions
Associated Press – Sun, Aug 4, 2013
Syria's war splits nation into 3 distinct regions


Syria's Muslim Brotherhood faces uphill battle
Associated Press – Sat, Aug 10, 2013
Syria's Muslim Brotherhood faces uphill battle

Al-Qaida-linked Syria rebels hit Christian village
Associated Press – Thu, Sep 5, 2013
Al-Qaida-linked Syria rebels hit Christian village

Thousands of Syrians flee to Iraq; crisis feared
Associated Press – Thu, Sep 5, 2013
Thousands of Syrians flee to Iraq; crisis feared

Syria could be a crucial proving ground for U.S. cyberwarriors
Syria could be a crucial proving ground for U.S. cyberwarriors

Analysis: Surprise or not, U.S. strikes can still hurt Assad
Reuters – Thu, Sep 5, 2013
Analysis: Surprise or not, U.S. strikes can still hurt Assad


White House and France Falsified the Number of Dead in Chem Attack.....
Syria Chemical Weapons Death Toll Cited By Obama Administration May Be Inflated

Researcher cited by Kerry, McCain on Syria fired by think tank
Reuters – Wed, Sep 11, 2013
Researcher cited by Kerry, McCain on Syria fired by think tank

Syria attack illegal without Security Council approval, UN warns
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2013/09/03/syria-ballistic-launch-mediterranean.html
Reuters Posted: Sep 3, 2013 5:40 AM ET
 
Says it all ECO.....on Syria.....you don't know jack ****.


Your arguments are hysterical, based on CT world and supported by blogs and totalitarian state media. I understand if you are passionately anti-war, but presenting Truther-level evidence, while ignoring all legit sources, is bad form.

My position is based on US and UN investigations.
 
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Your arguments are hysterical, based on CT world and supported by blogs and totalitarian state media. I understand if you are passionately anti-war, but presenting Truther-level evidence, while ignoring all legit sources, is bad form.

My position is based on US and UN investigations.

Looks like you were just proven to be not only wrong.....but a liar as well. But Nice try anyways. Those threads and the majority of my links make up the Bulk of my position. Moreover.....I even give the other side of the story.

Your position is based on very very few links that back up those US and UN investigations. As always.....you talk a good game. You just can't walk with one. ;)
 
Yeah, sure.

Yeah I know.....those links with the Words.....Associated Press, Reuters, UPI, that I just put up that are my threads on this site and validate what I am saying.

Once again leaves you looking.....Well, Uhm, <yawn> Like you just got set up and were left holding an empty bag of Good Guys. I know it is hard for you to take but facts are facts so <which yours are almost nonexistent>.....Deal with it!
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President Obama must promise not to arm rebel forces or Syrian dictator Bashar Assad will not hand over his chemical weapons, the embattled leader told a Russian state media outlet today while demanding that Israel also surrender its nuclear arsenal.
“When we see that the U.S. genuinely stands for stability in our region, stops threatening us with military intervention and stops supplying terrorists with weapons, then we will consider it possible to finalize all necessary procedures and they will become legitimate and acceptable for Syria," Assad told RIA News.







Assad tells Obama to stop arming rebels, or no deal | WashingtonExaminer.com




Anyone who thinks that Israel will ever give up any weapons is living in a dream world.

It's not going to happen.

And you can bet that the USA will continue supplying arms to whoever it wants to supply arms to.
 
I've provided references to secretary Kerry, president Obama and the UN.

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Why do you give the administration your trust now on this issue? What has it done to earn your trust on foreign policy and knowing whats best for Syria?
Fast and Furious?
Benghazi?
Obama's trips to the ME where bowed down to the Saudi king like dhimmi?
The reset button with Russia? What are we in kindergarten?

And how can you not see that main bulk of the rebel army is islamist.

Maybe, maybe, the first protests in Syria 2.5 years ago were democratic protests, genuine democratic protests. But like in Egypt the first time they sprung out, they were galvanized and radicalized by the islamists. Same in Syria. If Assad had stepped down when the protests started in Syria years ago they would have had another Morsi in Syria, not a freedom loving person.

-But Rainman, they may have had a Morsi in Syria, but at least they wouldn't have a civil war!
True, that is a valid statement. But don't discount egypt going under soon enough. You have the entire Sinai region under islamist jihadi control and the military has been weakend.

Anyway, back to Syria.
The reason the FSA has kept making comebacks is because of arab league sponsorships in both manpower and weapons.
This is them coming out of the closet: Arab League support for arming Syrian rebels 'logical' - SYRIA - FRANCE 24
But they have been sponsoring jihad in Syria since 2011 when they suspended Syria from the arab league.

Of course they will support the disarmament movement. Not because they care if Assad used chemical weapons but because any tool that Assad doesn't have is a pro for them. The jihadists are legion and more keep pouring in every day. they form the bulk of the FSA and other rebel groups.

The only good solution to a peaceful Syria is if a western coalition goes in, wipes the floor with all involved and then organizes fair elections between a limited pool of true democrat reformers. Because if they do allow free and open elections, with over 60-70% of the population being sunni, most likely they'll get a Morsi. And NOBODY wants a Morsi. Not even Morsi wants to be a Morsi.
At least under the Assad dynasty, the economy of Syria has seen consistent improvement and tolerance for all faiths was well established. Maybe alawites had some privileges, but at least nobody was denied their basic rights... and there were no stonings for adulterous women permitted and no marriages between 40yrs old men and 8yrs girls.
 
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Anyone who thinks that Israel will ever give up any weapons is living in a dream world.

It's not going to happen.

And you can bet that the USA will continue supplying arms to whoever it wants to supply arms to.

They (USA maybe and Arab league for sure, with some support from other natiosn)are arming the islamists.
Look at Egypt as an example.
You think that will bring peace to the region? Morsi is a fanatic, a islamist fanatic.
At least Mubarak could be paid for to keep the peace and he was a secularist. That's why he never declared war on anyone since he came in power in 1980 if memory serves.
Anyway. So lets say 1980, Mubarak comes in real power. How many wars did Mubarak start against Israel? None in 30years. Peace. How many did his predecessors do 30 years before?
at least 3 + sponsored terrorist camps and attacks.

And now Morsi supporters hold Sinai.
 
They (USA maybe and Arab league for sure, with some support from other natiosn)are arming the islamists.
Look at Egypt as an example.
You think that will bring peace to the region?
Morsi is a fanatic, a islamist fanatic.
At least Mubarak could be paid for to keep the peace and he was a secularist. That's why he never declared war on anyone since he came in power in 1980 if memory serves.
Anyway. So lets say 1980, Mubarak comes in real power. How many wars did Mubarak start against Israel? None in 30years. Peace. How many did his predecessors do 30 years before?
at least 3 + sponsored terrorist camps and attacks.

And now Morsi supporters hold Sinai.




It will be a long time before there is peace in Syria.

No matter which side 'wins' the civil/religious war there it won't be good for that region or the world.
 
It will be a long time before there is peace in Syria.

No matter which side 'wins' the civil/religious war there it won't be good for that region or the world.

That may be true, but at least let the chips fall where they may.

I'm not saying assad is a good catch, but who is to replace him? One of the people sitting on the council of the FSA? Each one of them is a known bloody terrorist or a deserter from the Syrian army.

The reality is that there is "good team". Sure, no involvement is a course of action and it's the 2nd best one. It's better than taking a side. But I still maintain that the best option is to go in a united coalition of western powers, quickly wipe the floor with all military forces, loyalist and rebels, and then institute a new democracy.

Now of course Russia won't ever accept that unless the new guy will be as friendly to them as the old guy. There in lie the catch see.
 
Even though they were defending their country, how was helping Islamic radicals in Afghanistan and the problems that would cause unforeseen?

You mean someone predicted that an militant from a wealthy family would develop a dislike of foreigners from his time in Afghanistan, and that later our Ally would invade a neutral country next to the militants country of birth, and that the militant would at that point gathered a group of fighters that he then offered to defend his homeland only to have it turned down by our offer of assistance, and that he would use this as justification for a terrorist attack?

We had no particular national interest in the struggle.

The US was ideologically opposed to the spread of communism.


We didn't get involved in the struggle between China and Tibet, why Afghanistan?

We didn't have the opportunity or the means.

Both sides have chemical weapons.

At best, rebel control of chemical weapons is disputed.
 
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That majority of the FSA are made up of Defectors/Traitors,

Actually, if I recall correctly most are civilians that took up arms.

which happened to be mostly Sunni. The same Sunni that Assad allowed into Command positions with in his Armed Forces. The Sunni in which they systematically kill Shia. Then go after Christians. Who btw way Are standing with Assad and not the Rebels/ Terrorists.

The FSA has stated they do not view this as a Sectarian conflict.

Assad is an Alawite and they are tied to the Shia.

The FSA has Alawite fighters within their ranks.

Moreover they have come out and stated that No Alawites will be allowed in any shaping of the Future of Syria. They will not be allowed to be in government.

“But there will be no reprisals, as we also have Alawites in our ranks who oppose the [Bashar] al-Assad regime,” Al-Aday , FSA Officer

To top that off......Al Nusra which has 30 opposition brigades, Councils and civilian committees. Have stated they do not recognize the FSA nor the STNC. That the FSA and STNC will not be deciding anything about the Future of Syria. Which now they just Gangster the FSA and take what they want.

They are still outnumbered by the 80,000 strong FSA.
 
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The fact that you just awarded victory to yourself stinks of desperation.
 
You mean someone predicted that an militant from a wealthy family would develop a dislike of foreigners from his time in Afghanistan, and that later our Ally would invade a neutral country next to the militants country of birth, and that the militant would at that point gathered a group of fighters that he then offered to defend his homeland only to have it turned down by our offer of assistance, and that he would use this as justification for a terrorist attack?



The US was ideologically opposed to the spread of communism.

When the struggle was over we didn't turn Afghanistan into an ally. The Taliban moved in, took over and now we've lost thousands of American lives there.



We didn't have the opportunity or the means.



At best, rebel control of chemical weapons is disputed.

You need to view our foreign policy in it's entire context. We have waged wars of preemption, police actions and regime change. Those reasons for war are questionable at best. We should go to war when our national security is threatened or our interests abroad come under attack. The last great hope of mankind should use it's military with great restraint.

We assisted the mujadeen in Afghanistan for no other reason than to screw with the Russians. As we've had to learn for experience, Afghanistan is a country which no foreign invader has ever conquered. Russia eventually retreated but if we really wanted to screw with them, we'd have stayed out of it. I'm not claiming that anyone could foresee Bin Laden. My assertion that the effort was not worthwhile or not ideologically sound.

We are opposed to the spread of Communism. We thought we were fighting it in Vietnam. How's that domino theory working out? Russia, with the collapse of the Soviet Union, is no longer communist, allowing it's citizens some property rights and a degree of capitalism.

We have the means to stick our nose into any corner of the globe. Our military is pretty bad ass. We could have come to the aid of Tibet, we could stick our nose in Kashmir. We don't because it's not in our national interest. Neither is Syria.

The rebels claim that they have chemical weapons. Are you calling them liars? Just curious.
 
You need to view our foreign policy in it's entire context. We have waged wars of preemption, police actions and regime change. Those reasons for war are questionable at best. We should go to war when our national security is threatened or our interests abroad come under attack. The last great hope of mankind should use it's military with great restraint.

I'm not here to debate our entire foreign policy. This is one situation I am focusing on.

We assisted the mujadeen in Afghanistan for no other reason than to screw with the Russians.

Yes, because we were ideologically opposed to communism.


Russia, with the collapse of the Soviet Union, is no longer communist, allowing it's citizens some property rights and a degree of capitalism.

And led by a former KGB agent!

We could have come to the aid of Tibet, we could stick our nose in Kashmir.

Unlikely on both counts.

We don't because it's not in our national interest. Neither is Syria.

Incorrect. Syria is the main route through which Hezbollah fighters flow from Iran into Lebanon and Israel. An Assad government or an Islamic government it detrimental to our interests there.

The rebels claim that they have chemical weapons. Are you calling them liars? Just curious.

I would need to know who said it and see some evidence.
 
Actually, if I recall correctly most are civilians that took up arms.



The FSA has stated they do not view this as a Sectarian conflict.



The FSA has Alawite fighters within their ranks.



“But there will be no reprisals, as we also have Alawites in our ranks who oppose the [Bashar] al-Assad regime,” Al-Aday , FSA Officer



They are still outnumbered by the 80,000 strong FSA.

Well then you would be mistaken.....got a link on that most of the FSA are civilians?

The unified command includes many with ties to the Muslim Brotherhood and to Salafists, who follow a puritanical interpretation of Islam. It excludes the most senior officers who have defected from Assad’s military, according to Reuters.....snip~

Seems their own ideology puts that in dispute.

Got a link that some of the Alawites are fighting in the Rebel/Terrorists ranks? As most that left Assad were Sunni who held Command positions that Assad had given to the Sunni.

First off their Numbers were inflated from the get go. Moreover they had Fighters coming in and joining their Army from several Countries. Also the part about Syria breaking down into 3 regions put that into perspective. As what part of the Civilians are backing who.

Moreover Al Nusra has the backing of 29 Civilian Councils and Committees.
 
Well then you would be mistaken.....got a link on that most of the FSA are civilians?

Q&A: Nir Rosen on Syria's armed opposition - Features - Al Jazeera English

Excerpt: "AJ: Who are the fighters - army defectors, armed civilians or "armed gangs"?

NR: The issue of defectors is a distraction. Armed resistance began long before defections started. While fighters are often portrayed in the media as defectors from the Syrian military, the majority are civilians who have taken up arms. The opposition believes it will have more legitimacy if fighters are dubbed "defectors", and described collectively as the Free Syrian Army.

They are also not armed gangs, as the regime and its supporters describe them. They are much more akin to a popular armed struggle or an insurgency. In fact, many Syrian revolutionaries use the term muqawama, ["resistance"] to describe themselves. This I find particularly ironic, as the Syrian regime and its supporters champion "resistance" (to Israel and the West) as the reason for their legitimacy, and the reason why they are being targeted by an alleged "foreign conspiracy" in the form of this uprising."


The unified command includes many with ties to the Muslim Brotherhood and to Salafists, who follow a puritanical interpretation of Islam. It excludes the most senior officers who have defected from Assad’s military, according to Reuters.....snip~

Seems their own ideology puts that in dispute.

Apparently, as the FSA has been fighting with the Al Nusar front.

Got a link that some of the Alawites are fighting in the Rebel/Terrorists ranks?

Syrian Opposition Call for No-Fly Zone, 8 October 2011

First off their Numbers were inflated from the get go.

Proof?

Moreover they had Fighters coming in and joining their Army from several Countries.

Your point? How does that change the number of fighters?

Also the part about Syria breaking down into 3 regions put that into perspective. As what part of the Civilians are backing who.[/QUOTE]

Moreover Al Nusra has the backing of 29 Civilian Councils and Committees.

Al Nusar is still outnumbered.
 
The fact that you just awarded victory to yourself stinks of desperation.

The fact that you didn't check out those links with what was said and concerning sources......shows us what again? :roll:

Oh did you need something more liberal like to chew on when it comes to The Rebels/Terrorists.


Islamist Rebels Create Dilemma on Syria Policy

In Syria’s largest city, Aleppo, rebels aligned with Al Qaeda control the power plant, run the bakeries and head a court that applies Islamic law. Elsewhere, they have seized government oil fields, put employees back to work and now profit from the crude they produce.

Across Syria, rebel-held areas are dotted with Islamic courts staffed by lawyers and clerics, and by fighting brigades led by extremists. Even the Supreme Military Council, the umbrella rebel organization whose formation the West had hoped would sideline radical groups, is stocked with commanders who want to infuse Islamic law into a future Syrian government.

Nowhere in rebel-controlled Syria is there a secular fighting force to speak of.

More than two years of violence have radicalized the armed opposition fighting the government of President Bashar al-Assad, leaving few groups that both share the political vision of the United States and have the military might to push it forward.

Among the most extreme groups is the notorious Al Nusra Front, the Qaeda-aligned force declared a terrorist organization by the United States, but other groups share aspects of its Islamist ideology in varying degrees.

The Islamist character of the opposition reflects the main constituency of the rebellion, which has been led since its start by Syria’s Sunni Muslim majority, mostly in conservative, marginalized areas. The descent into brutal civil war has hardened sectarian differences, and the failure of more mainstream rebel groups to secure regular arms supplies has allowed Islamists to fill the void and win supporters.

The religious agenda of the combatants sets them apart from many civilian activists, protesters and aid workers who had hoped the uprising would create a civil, democratic Syria.

When the armed rebellion began, defectors from the government’s staunchly secular army formed the vanguard. The rebel movement has since grown to include fighters with a wide range of views, including Qaeda-aligned jihadis seeking to establish an Islamic emirate, political Islamists inspired by the Muslim Brotherhood and others who want an Islamic-influenced legal code like that found in many Arab states.

Another prominent group, Ahrar al-Sham, shares much of Nusra’s extremist ideology but is made up mostly of Syrians.....snip~

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/28/w...reate-dilemma-for-us.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

The fact that you didn't know whats up.....leaves you where now? Weren't you saying something about Numbers? Who is in Control of the Largest City in Syria? Who is dictating law and running businesses? Who controls Almost the entire Northern Part of Syria?

One thing is for certain.....its not the FSA and their STNC.

Desperation?????.....not even if it was on your Life!!!!! <yawn>
 
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