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Assad tells Obama to stop arming rebels or no deal

Mr. Invisible said:
I would argue about Egypt. Look at how the military coup took place and the military is fighting the MB.
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Egypt wasn't a straight black and white deal. There was some legitimate displeasure with the Egyptian government. Twitter was used (both legitimately and from other groups sock puppet accounts) to rouse the people into overthrowing the government.

That's where the us stepped in propping up Morsi and the Muslim brotherhood, but it was not that long before the people stepped up again and showin that they were no longer going to live as puppets to the us, and have reclaimed the country for themselves. Who knows where it will go from there...
 
Montecresto said:
Care to share that "evidence"?
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You can't see the evidence... National security.

But trust known liars when they tell you that they have the evidence.
 
DDD said:
I am among the loners (I guess) to not believe that they do until they blow one off.
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That's like not believing that the huge block of steel dropping from the sky towards your head isn't for real until it hits your head. You might consider a paradigm as your current reality.
 
MMC said:
Yeah, but it is the French that keeps filing resolutions in the UN.....like Non Stop. So all should know that the French does this and is always out wanting action and recognizing Rebel/Terrorists as the official governments of Certain countries.

That in itself is good reason to dismiss a lot of what the French have to say. Since they always make more out of things in other peoples countries. Than what is really going on. Which doesn't even count how many times they have been wrong.

Personally if other Countries started pitching a bitch against France and wanting to take action on them. We might see the French finally Shut their Pie Holes and stay out of others business. This could even Possibly last for 20 years.

Think how much chaos can be prevented.....By Most of the Planet Speaking out and telling the French to STFU.
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Hi MMC

Like I said in past.
French used to have the big mouth for every attack.
They enjoy to throw some missiles, but after that they leave US alone to fix the mess.

Syria looks same to me.
Things are messed up now and French are far away to deal with the mess. Once more they left US alone to fix it.

We do not have a single thread about a statement given by Hollande, because we do not have any source.
Regarding Obama and Putin, we used to make a thread for almost every sentence of them.

French to me are like "Hit and Hide"
 
Montecresto said:
I don't believe president Assad is trashing his own people, that has not been substantiated.
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That clearly ignores his reign of terror as dictator though not quite as brutal as his father. I will assume you find no problem with Putin arming terrorist-supporting nations like Iran and Syria.
 
FederalRepublic said:
Do you think the crease in Obama's pants looks better on his left leg, or his right leg?
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I haven't seen them. So you're ahead of me on that topic. Since you mention it, what do they look like?
 
Mr. Invisible said:
This is a no win situation for the US. If we help the rebels, we risk the extremists coming in. We should just mind our own business for once.
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Can't do that because we have Israeli interests to advance.
 
obvious Child said:
Screw this guy. Just let the cruise missiles fly.

Talk like this suggests the disarmament plan is nothing but a play for time.
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You're joking, right?

We have no proof he used chemical weapons and even if so, we are not the world police.

There are several dictatorships worse than Syria. If the crimes against humanity at the level Syria uses is the line in the sand, then we'd be battling a great deal of the world. Probably about 20% of the other nations.

We struck Libya and look at it now...

I'll bet we killed as many innocent civilians from collateral damage on that first day we launched 112 cruise missiles, than Gaddafi did in his last 10 years.

You warmongers are crazy...
 
obvious Child said:
Therefore, it's best to just let Assad's forces kill people left and right without resistance?
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Maybe you should make a trip over there. See the facts. I'll bet if the rebels stopped attacking, so would Assad...
 
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Ray410 said:
Imagine the leader of that worthless country giving orders to the President of the United States.

The overriding theme behind all of this byplay is how silly and childlike Obama looks on an international stage with adults that are ridiculing him.
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Do you think he's suppose to cower to a idiot like Obomba?

Hope you're being sarcastic.

Besides. It's Obomba acting like a terrorist. Threatening other nations and bombing them from unseen distant locations.

How do you think Obomba appears to the average, innocent Middle east citizen?
 
reinoe said:
Obama wants Assad gone because he's hellbent on having Al-Qaeda in power in Syria. The Obama admin has been training Al-Qaeda, arming Al-Qaeda, and funneling money and information to Al-Qaeda.
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Ain't that the truth.
 
Montecresto said:
President Obama must promise not to arm rebel forces or Syrian dictator Bashar Assad will not hand over his chemical weapons, the embattled leader told a Russian state media outlet today while demanding that Israel also surrender its nuclear arsenal.

“When we see that the U.S. genuinely stands for stability in our region, stops threatening us with military intervention and stops supplying terrorists with weapons, then we will consider it possible to finalize all necessary procedures and they will become legitimate and acceptable for Syria," Assad told RIA News.

Assad tells Obama to stop arming rebels, or no deal | WashingtonExaminer.com
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Sounds reasonable to me.
 
BmanMcfly said:
Egypt wasn't a straight black and white deal. There was some legitimate displeasure with the Egyptian government. Twitter was used (both legitimately and from other groups sock puppet accounts) to rouse the people into overthrowing the government.
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I never said that it was a "straight black and white deal." There was legit dislike of Mubarak and the did want him out because he was a horrible leader who mainly looked out for US and Israeli interests and terrorized the people of Egypt rather than helped them.

BmanMcfly said:
That's where the us stepped in propping up Morsi and the Muslim brotherhood, but it was not that long before the people stepped up again and showin that they were no longer going to live as puppets to the us, and have reclaimed the country for themselves. Who knows where it will go from there...
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Agreed.
 
Montecresto said:
It is not only a reasonable demand, its quite shameful that the US has to even be told to stop arming, training and giving material aid to the terrorists! The US prosecutes American people for doing the same. One of president Putins legitimate points in his NYT op-ed. and STOP repeating the unproven claim that president Assad used chemical weapons on his own citizens.
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I do get your point, but not all of the rebels in Syria are terrorists. The US is not giving weapons, training, and material aid to terrorists. That is an over generalization.

Getting to Putin's point about the use of chemical weapons, has it been proved that he didn't use them? Again, this is information that average citizens don't have access to. None of the congressmen and women, after seeing the evidence, have claimed that there was any kind of significant doubt that the weapons were used by Assad's forces. That's good enough for me assuming that our representatives wouldn't want to mislead the general public in a bipartisan fashion.

Whether you believe that we should be supporting the rebels or not, Assad has no legitimate authority to demand us to do anything at this point. His credibility has gone out the window several times throughout this ordeal by torturing and killing children, indiscriminate bombing and shelling neighborhoods, and finally using chemical weapons somewhere between at least 1 to a dozen or more times depending on what source you look at.

On a side note, I do agree that we shouldn't be helping the rebels beyond humanitarian aid and other political diplomatic efforts against Assad. Many pro-strike/pro-intervention supporters argue that the majority of the opposition is moderate. However, we've seen time and time again in the ME that those in power often represent a minority e.g Saddam Hussein, Karzai, Gaddafi, Assad, and arguably others. So it is reasonable to expect that, though the extremists are in the minority, they are sufficient in number enough to seize political power in post-civil war Syria.
 
NIMBY said:
I haven't seen them. So you're ahead of me on that topic. Since you mention it, what do they look like?
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No idea, just felt like asking a random question.
 
Ray410 said:
Imagine the leader of that worthless country giving orders to the President of the United States.

The overriding theme behind all of this byplay is how silly and childlike Obama looks on an international stage with adults that are ridiculing him.
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America has not bombed Syria for the simple reason that Russia will reciprocate..

The reason Assad is so sassy-assed is because Putin is behind him..

Putin has made some not-so-veiled threats about what will happen if the USA attacks Syria and is now ''peace making and asking Syria to hand over their chemical weapons'' making him appear to be the good guy..

He's very clever...

But you've still backed down!!
 
wolfie said:
America has not bombed Syria for the simple reason that Russia will reciprocate..

The reason Assad is so sassy-assed is because Putin is behind him..

Putin has made some not-so-veiled threats about what will happen if the USA attacks Syria and is now ''peace making and asking Syria to hand over their chemical weapons'' making him appear to be the good guy..

He's very clever...

But you've still backed down!!
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Putin made a more politically savvy move than Obama. Obama is looking like a goofball. Instead of arming terrorists and drawing lines in the sand he should have been pursuing diplomatic options and building international support. The evidence of who even used chemical weapons is still inconclusive.
 
reinoe said:
Putin made a more politically savvy move than Obama. Obama is looking like a goofball. Instead of arming terrorists and drawing lines in the sand he should have been pursuing diplomatic options and building international support. The evidence of who even used chemical weapons is still inconclusive.
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BBC News - Syria chemical weapons allegations

They are laughing in your face....

I don't know a lot about American politics..but Obama is completely out of his depth..
 
NIMBY said:
I will assume you find no problem with Putin arming terrorist-supporting nations like Iran and Syria.
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Well, they are Russians. Russians arming terrorist is not smth new. No one was/is/will ever be surprised.

USA arming/training/supporting terrorists (specially Al-Qaeda) is a big new for me and for most of the opinion around the world.
Unless you suggest to rate them as equal.
 
NIMBY said:
That clearly ignores his reign of terror as dictator though not quite as brutal as his father. I will assume you find no problem with Putin arming terrorist-supporting nations like Iran and Syria.
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If Putin is arming terrorists and you can demonstrate that, I'll criticise him for you right here in front of god and everybody. And if you produce that evidence it won't erase the fact that the US arms terrorists, unless your the guy that thinks two wrongs equal one right.
 
Coin said:
Well, they are Russians. Russians arming terrorist is not smth new. No one was/is/will ever be surprised.

USA arming/training/supporting terrorists (specially Al-Qaeda) is a big new for me and for most of the opinion around the world.
Unless you suggest to rate them as equal.
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Actually Coin, I wish that were true, and for you it may well be. But for starters, google timeline of CIA atrocities in Latin America and read it and weep at the number of governments the CIA did overthrow often replacing with dictators that brutalised their citizens, all because it advanced the interests of American corporations, and that will just be scratching the surface. I can give you plenty more. The Rah Rah America does no wrong crowd here won't even look at such things.
 
reinoe said:
Maybe English isn't your first language, but by "your face" are you referring to Obama's presentation or me?
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America's face..

I don't think that Assad is laughing at you personally!!
 
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