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Putin uses NYT Op-Ed to warn US against Syria strike

Don't know where you've been but "respect" for the US has been in decline for sometime now, and for good and obvious reasons to many of us.

You mistake respect for being liked. A common flaw among liberals.

International respect largely comes from fear. They'll never love you because they don't want to love you. That's what you don't get. The only thing they respect is strength and power. Period.

That's the real world. The kumbaya you want doesn't exist.
 
People are so desperate to believe such crap. It's unreal.

More like, people are so desperate to run from the embarassing truth. It's unreal.
 
We should all hang our heads in shame

Agree. Assad came out of this much stronger than he went into it. The middle east now has a new top dog, it's Russia. That of course empowers Iran and all the terrorist organizations they support and control. No telling how all the other countries will react to this but it won't be good for the US or the middle east.

So yes. We should hang our heads in shame for electing a community agitator President. The entire Syrian misadventure that effects the rest of the world, was created by him and him alone. Lots of people are going to end up dead that didn't have to because we won't be looked to for stability functions. At least for three more years.
 
You mistake respect for being liked. A common flaw among liberals.

International respect largely comes from fear. They'll never love you because they don't want to love you. That's what you don't get. The only thing they respect is strength and power. Period.

That's the real world. The kumbaya you want doesn't exist.


Why in the world would you call me a liberal? People who fear you, fear you! Do you respect anyone you fear. Respect is earned, and you don't earn respect by twisting on people's ears. You have a fantasy.
 
Russia is petrified over the potential fall of Assad, since the rebels despise Russia for its support of him. Assad's ouster would mean the end of Russia's influence in the area as well as significant trade (especially in arms).

So Russia wants to do anything to avoid a US strike while pretending to look strong. It fact it's got an incredibly weak hand and there is virtually nothing Putin can do to stop the US from pummeling Assad into submission if the US wants to. That's why Putin is acting so aggressive. Fear and weakness.

It doesn't mean Russia doesn't have legitimate interests in the region or that its position is "wrong". There just isn't much it can do besides block UN votes and hope for a peaceful resolution that leaves Assad or one of his lackeys in power.
 
Those who read the entire op-ed piece should see that president Putin didn't disrespect the US but he did point out truths that are embarrassing. That the US ignores the UN when they don't get their way, that the US uses brute force to interfere with nations internal conflicts, that the US is arming extremist groups that our own state department has designated as terrorist groups and that in the process the US is violating international law. Not really much to argue with.
 
Watching a decade or better of US aggression in the region, why wouldn't Russia and China bow up as they are. Clearly they are sick of it and intend to REALLY do something about it now.

Okay, and whose side are you on then?
 
I can't imagine any foreign leader having the balls to do this to our previous presidents, not even Carter.

It is such a gross lack of respect. Can you imagine a U.S. president condescendingly addressing the leader of Russia or China in their home media?

I blame your media for this!!! They have been laying down and doing only newsworthy reports to the laypeople there!! They should gear up and do newsworthy reports to the interests of the whole country instead!!
 
I for one, very much believe that Putin wants Assad to turn over his chemical weapons for destruction. And I believe he will work toward that end. Assad cannot have any credibility if he uses them or fails to secure them and the rebels get them and use them again. Putin understands this. The thing is, if the US would just get the **** out of the way, Putin would handle this and keep his ally in line. It is the US's covert activity that has prolonged the war, costing more innocent lives and frustrated president Assad's ability to effectively fight his own war on terror.

Except that Assad is the terror? He shot his civilians, schoolchildren and their weeping parents?

You have faith in Putin I see? His speech got to you did it not?
 
Come on Crue, again, IT HAS NOT BEEN PROVEN that president Assad used chemical weapons on his citizens, and secondly, had the US kept out from the beginning, there wouldn't be 100K dead and the situation would have been over long ago. It is largely the US's fault that it has lasted as long as it has and that there are as many dead as there is.

Did it not occurred to you by now that perhaps Obama is certain that Assad did it but cannot use the sources to back up his claims because the sources work for Assad's inner circle?!?!?!
 
wait a minute. how have we been involved in syria!

and maybe why the war has lasted so long is because Russia is supplying weapons and ammo to the Assad regime.

maybe Russia should spend more of its money on helping the Syrian refugees who have been displaced by the civil war, rather then funneling weapons into the country to prolong the conflict.

Why should Putin be bothered with that? Leave such humaine issues to US allies like Turkiye for instance!!

Nah, he has more important things to do. Such as support the dictator and mass murderer of Syria. You know, the usual stuff Russians always do!
 
Don't know where you've been but "respect" for the US has been in decline for sometime now, and for good and obvious reasons to many of us.

Well it has not fallen here. Where are these "many of you" at?
 
Seriously, your unaware of the covert work of the US in Syria from the beginning? Really!

So you know that there is covert work. Why is it difficult to believe that Assad's inner circle had been compromised by this covert work then? The President Obama knows something about chems and pins it on Assad for some so sure for such reasons perhaps?

If Obama tells why he is so certain you can be rest assured what would happen to Assad's inner circle convert! I can tell you this much though: Your beloved and concerned Putin (Amazing what media would have you believe) will not shelter the one like he did to Snowden, nor would he spread flowers on a shiny red carpet for the one within Assad's circle to jolly walk in slow motion low gravity moves neither!
 
I never said that the U.S. should attack Syria.

Exactly. This is about Putin's "shiny image" of a concerned caregiver over issues escalating in the area. Basically it is about squashing Russian BS propaganda that has influenced so well some of DP members here! (Yeah I am looking at you Monte!!)

Whether US should attack Syria or not is a different issue!
 
You mistake respect for being liked. A common flaw among liberals.

International respect largely comes from fear. They'll never love you because they don't want to love you. That's what you don't get. The only thing they respect is strength and power. Period.

That's the real world. The kumbaya you want doesn't exist.

There are many countries whom are internationals to USA. Be more specific whom should fear and whom should like you.
 
Those who read the entire op-ed piece should see that president Putin didn't disrespect the US but he did point out truths that are embarrassing.

I think for Putin assuming the role of USA's President and having to address USA's people is disrespectful enough.

That the US ignores the UN when they don't get their way,

Required because Russia can veto it. In the meanwhile civilians die from dictators that Russians support. There has to be a way around this and the USA uses it.

that the US uses brute force to interfere with nations internal conflicts,

Because those nations use brute force against civilians.

that the US is arming extremist groups that our own state department has designated as terrorist groups

Al-Qaeda, Al-Nusra, and some other independent groups are declared terrorists. The rebels themselves are fighting for freedom against Assad's regime.

and that in the process the US is violating international law. Not really much to argue with.

Exactly, just pile up what the USA did, put a different tone to it, and you have a vision that USA is the bully instead! It is not Assad that shoots civilians or that orders chemical weapon attacks on them that it is the bully. Nah, that is normal. Wanting to intervene for humane causes and support human's rights as well as other United Nation's red lines is in fact bullying - is what Putin's propaganda there is all about.

You see there is plenty of stuff to argue with these. Starting from, why do you fall for rival propaganda as easily? I mean I could understand putting both perspectives into the table and analyze and critically evaluate the two sources. But what you have done throughout this thread is only point out moves from the Russian's perspective! Why is that?
 
Yes, every leader that agrees to give up their WMd's ends up stronger as a result. Just look at how well it worked out for Saddam.

Did Obama change his mind again and decide to invade Syria? No? Um, does Assad still have his chemical weapons? Is Assad under threat of US attack? Whats the rebels think about an American President breaking his word on attacking Assad?

yep. Assad and the Russians came out on top.
 
MOSCOW, September 12 (RIA Novosti) - A potential US strike on Syria is fraught with dangerous consequences, Russian President Vladimir Putin has warned in an op-ed he wrote for the New York Times.
Washington is currently contemplating a strike on Syria as retaliation for a deadly August 21 chemical weapons attack in a Damascus suburb, which it has attributed to the regime of Syrian President Bashar Assad. Official Damascus has blamed the attack on rebel forces, and Russia has tentatively backed its long-time ally, while calling for further investigation.
"Recent events surrounding Syria have prompted me to speak directly to the American people and their political leaders. It is important to do so at a time of insufficient communication between our societies," Putin said in the op-ed, entitled "A Plea for Caution from Russia," which was posted on the US newspaper's website Wednesday.



Putin Uses NYT Op-Ed to Warn US Against Syria Strike | Politics | RIA Novosti

It's an interesting choice of venue. Apparently he thinks that Obama's base is highly susceptible to Russian messaging. I wonder where he could have picked up that idea.....
 
Exactly. This is about Putin's "shiny image" of a concerned caregiver over issues escalating in the area. Basically it is about squashing Russian BS propaganda that has influenced so well some of DP members here! (Yeah I am looking at you Monte!!)

Whether US should attack Syria or not is a different issue!

Not according to Obama, who put his Syria attack (mini-war?) on further hold based on "the Putin factor", which I suspect is really the "Obama can't get congress on board factor". ;)
 
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