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US Police arrest Florida pastor

justabubba said:
i also see the reverse potentially being present
no one was paying attention
he would burn those books without an audience, if he obtained the requisite fire burning permit
and if he adhered to the local laws governing the possession of arms
so, to gain an audience - witness this thread - he defies authorities
and pretends the estoppel of his action is based on the korans to be burned rather than his non-compliance with the burning and weapons laws
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Also possible - which would also suggest that the arrest may be counterproductive if, as you claim, there was no audience.
 
And a felony.
sawdust said:
He was arrested for misdemeanor open carry of a fire arm and improper trailer registration. Honestly if it weren't for his plans to burn the books, they would have let him off with a warning, or they may not have been targeting him at all.
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CanadaJohn said:
Also possible - which would also suggest that the arrest may be counterproductive if, as you claim, there was no audience.
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so, a permit should have been granted for an unsafe burning only because there was no expected audience?

he should have been allowed to carry a weapon in violation of local weapons laws only because he had no audience?

i cannot accept your argument
 
justabubba said:
i also see the reverse potentially being present
no one was paying attention
he would burn those books without an audience, if he obtained the requisite fire burning permit
and if he adhered to the local laws governing the possession of arms
so, to gain an audience - witness this thread - he defies authorities
and pretends the estoppel of his action is based on the korans to be burned rather than his non-compliance with the burning and weapons laws
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Oh, yes, I agree.

Publicity to Terry Jones is like heroin to a junky.
 
sangha said:
And it's dishonest to go after Mafia and drug kingpins for tax evasion when the real intent is to put criminals behind bars.

It's just so dishonest
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Glad you admit the dishonesty in your former position - clearly, in your Mafia case, you understand that the actual crime the authorities wish punished is not the tax evasion that they were able to saddle them with but the drug and other actions they couldn't prosecute.

Congrats on finally admitting you understand.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Glad you admit the dishonesty in your former position - clearly, in your Mafia case, you understand that the actual crime the authorities wish punished is not the tax evasion that they were able to saddle them with but the drug and other actions they couldn't prosecute.

Congrats on finally admitting you understand.
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And congrats to you for admitting that there's nothing wrong with prosecuting people for the crimes they can hang on someone
 
mak2 said:
And a felony.
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Sheriff's deputies in Polk County, Fla., arrested Pastor Terry Jones, 61, and his associate pastor, Marvin Sapp Jr., 44, each on a felony charge of unlawful conveyance of fuel. Jones had said he was heading to a nearby park in Mulberry to burn the Qurans on Wednesday, the 12th anniversary of the attacks. Sheriff's officials said that Jones was also charged with unlawful open-carry of a firearm, a misdemeanor, and that Sapp faces a charge of having no valid registration for the trailer.

Both were being booked Wednesday night into the Polk County jail, according to Sheriff Grady
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Fla. Pastor Arrested Before He Could Burn Qurans - ABC News

You're right about the felony but the charges seem suspicious.
 
justabubba said:
so, a permit should have been granted for an unsafe burning only because there was no expected audience?

he should have been allowed to carry a weapon in violation of local weapons laws only because he had no audience?

i cannot accept your argument
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Well, my argument is that sometimes the authorities simply ignore minor offenses committed by protestors in order not to escalate a situation or to cause more attention to be brought to bare than would happen if they didn't interfere. Surely, you must understand that police on a daily basis look the other way when crimes are being committed by those protesting in public places. Do you think every "crime" that was committed by the Occupy Wall Street crowds all over the west were charged and people arrested by the truckload then?

I'm not saying the pastor in question isn't an a-one dick, just saying that people who claim he wasn't arrested because of what he proposed to do are being dishonest about what's really going on here.
 
justabubba said:
i also see the reverse potentially being present
no one was paying attention
he would burn those books without an audience, if he obtained the requisite fire burning permit
and if he adhered to the local laws governing the possession of arms
so, to gain an audience - witness this thread - he defies authorities
and pretends the estoppel of his action is based on the korans to be burned rather than his non-compliance with the burning and weapons laws
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NPR reports that he applied for a permit but was denied.

Pastor Terry Jones Arrested Before Planned Quran Burning : The Two-Way : NPR
 
sangha said:
And congrats to you for admitting that there's nothing wrong with prosecuting people for the crimes they can hang on someone
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I never claimed otherwise - I simply called out people who claimed that the underlying reason he was arrested had nothing to do with his protest when it had everything to do with his protest.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Do you think every "crime" that was committed by the Occupy Wall Street crowds all over the west were charged and people arrested by the truckload then?
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I not only think, I know that the police arrested innocent law abiding citizens by the truckload during the OWS protests
 
CanadaJohn said:
I never claimed otherwise - I simply called out people who claimed that the underlying reason he was arrested had nothing to do with his protest when it had everything to do with his protest.
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I'm pretty sure the underlying reason for his arrest was that he broke the law
 
Sharona said:
Speech.. He was going to set a bonfire in a public park.
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Sharona, prostitution is illegal in VA, but my driving to a ho house isn't. You can't just arrest someone for what they might do.

The police arrested this person for what he was going to do. There may be valid violations of the law here, but burning books in a protest is not one f vthem.
 
sangha said:
I not only think, I know that the police arrested innocent law abiding citizens by the truckload during the OWS protests
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Mass protest without a permit is not law abiding.
 
jimbo said:
Sharona, prostitution is illegal in VA, but my driving to a ho house isn't. You can't just arrest someone for what they might do.

The police arrested this person for what he was going to do. There may be valid violations of the law here, but burning books in a protest is not one f vthem.
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He was riding in an unregister vehicle and carrying a gun..
 
And felony trasportation of flammable liquid. Little detail thingy everyone seems to keep forgeting.
Sharona said:
He was riding in an unregister vehicle and carrying a gun..
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tererun said:
I am sorry it makes muslims sad, but we have something called freedom of speech in america and it should not be run into the ground by foreigners. There better be some sort of legitimate charge on this. I could see a danger in toting around that much paper soaked in kerosene and deciding to light it on fore without some sort of fire prevention presence, and perhaps a fine for it. I can understand that his potential plan might have been conducted outside of the realm of safety. But if the only reason that he was arrested was because he was burning them and there was no safety or legitimate law broken the muslims in afganistan can kiss my american ass and he should be set free. The laws protecting freedom of speech are not there to protect speech that muslims approve of, it is there to protect speech that is unpleasant and hated. He should have every right to burn korans as he sees fit here in america. You have every right to think him a horrible person and an ass, but there is no reason to stop him.

Those soldiers that died did so to protect free speech and america according to the so called propaganda. They are at war which means people are going to try and succede on occasion in killing them. If that is distasteful then perhaps they should be called home to protect US borders and should not be half way around the world playing games with locals who want them dead for being on afganistan land. I don't like the asshole and I find him a dirty old bastard with nothing but hate in his heart. Still when we start arresting him for this sort of protest then we can start arresting gays because they drive others to violence by being who they are. We can arrest the blacks for driving white people to violent acts. While we are at it let us toss that zimmerman creep in jail because his release set off a number of violent acts across the US and killed some people. Those are stupid ideas and anyone who supports them deserves no freedom and should ask the permission of everyone on earth who might be pissed if they are allowed to speak.

Time to go down to the dollar store and pick me up some korans and some lighter fluid because I am going to have myself a bonfire. I think I will do the right thing and draw a picture of muhammed on all of them just to show what free speech means to all those who cant take it. This is about our most important right and it is high time we start showing our authorities and the world that it will not be taken away by fascist religious assholes because they cannot take criticism and protest. This is enforcing the moral values of a religion and it is as wrong to do it for whiny ass muslims as it is to do it for whiny ass christians.
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If you're on the west coast tell me the place and time.

I want to exercise my freedom of speech with a fire extinguisher. Show my support for the troops.
 
reinoe said:
Obama is arming Al-Qaeda and McCain is making secret trips to Syria to give Al-Qaeda government secrets.
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At least you're smart enough to recognize it's both parties.
 
mak2 said:
They did in the local news source. That is the problem with the right wing blogoshpere, there is usually so little of the truth it is not recognizeable. Whenever I see a story like this I look it up in the local paper, the RWblogosphere always leaves out the other (at least) half of the story.
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Thanks for the information. Do you have a link to the story? By the way it isn't just the RWBlogosphere that does that, let's not make that assumption that the Left doesn't also do this....
 
[QSpeech.. He was going to set a bonfire in a public park.UOTE=Sharona;1062306321]He was riding in an unregister vehicle and carrying a gun..[/QUOTE]

I get that, but I was addressing your comment:

"Speech.. He was going to set a bonfire in a public park."

You are not typically arrested for what you might do.
 
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