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Syria welcomes Russia's offer to put its chemical weapons under Int'l control

This doesn't change the fact that Assad killed tens of thousands of civilians and gassed them. I'll give a crap about his concessions when he agrees to be tried before the ICC.

We don't recognise the authority of the ICC, The other claim is unsubstantiated.
 
With or without being bombed and gassed ~70k in a couple years? It cannot be "ok, dude, we secure the chems and you go right ahead and bomb them. We can stand you bombing a few 10k more, but not gas". Really?

Unfortunately that is exactly what the past few days have said to Americans. You can shoot, explode, blow up, knife, pummel, drown, strangulate tens of thousands of innocent people but dammit, once you use chems, we're going to get pissed off because Syria, you're not conforming to international "norms"! How dare you!

Which is why these Syria war drums are just moronic.
 
We don't recognise the authority of the ICC, The other claim is unsubstantiated.

Those countries which have ratified the Rome Statutes do. The rebels, as the recognized government of Syria, could ratify those statutes and charge Assad.

Did Assad not kill 10s of 1000s of civilians?
 
My sense is that the administration would be happy with this result. They may be able to pull back the resolution to use force which was about to be voted down by congress.

Perhaps the Russians were more helpful than people were willing to give them credit for.


I have been here steadfastly giving the Russians credit amongst an onslaught of ridicule. And this is EXACTLY the action that John Kerry said Assad could take to avoid military action, so lets see if Kerry/the administration was honest, or not!
 
Moderates can assemble a transitional democratic government. With UN funding, foreign aid and investment projects and no sanctions will be development. Or, Assad can keep buying weapons and screw the people.

More nonsense.
 
Kerry is a lying sack of crap who was anti-war until killing a bunch of little brown people furthered his career. Even if they turn over every last chemical weapon, we will still bomb the **** out of them.


Well I suspect that eventuality as well. "REGIME CHANGE" is the US policy for Syria, has been for a long time.
 
Unfortunately that is exactly what the past few days have said to Americans. You can shoot, explode, blow up, knife, pummel, drown, strangulate tens of thousands of innocent people but dammit, once you use chems, we're going to get pissed off because Syria, you're not conforming to international "norms"! How dare you!

Which is why these Syria war drums are just moronic.

The point is that he has proven to have total disregard for civilian deaths. For years, there was a shadow of a doubt that allowed the slaughter. To do nothing now, because we did nothing before, is a bad idea.
 
Those countries which have ratified the Rome Statutes do. The rebels, as the recognized government of Syria, could ratify those statutes and charge Assad.

Did Assad not kill 10s of 1000s of civilians?

Only morons would recognise the Islamic extremists (rebels) jihadists, that have attacked Christian churches as the Syrian government. Iran, Russia and China amongst many countries recognise president Assad as the legitimate government, its not your call.
 
Only morons would recognise the Islamic extremists (rebels) jihadists, that have attacked Christian churches as the Syrian government. Iran, Russia and China amongst many countries recognise president Assad as the legitimate government, its not your call.

I am the decider.

"It's conceivable that, at the end of the day, I don't persuade a majority of the American people that it's the right thing to do," Obama said in response to a question from ABC News during a solo press conference at the conclusion of the G20 summit in St. Petersburg, Russia.

But, Obama said, members of Congress need to consider the lessons of World War II and their own consciences and vote 'yes' to authorize the use of force, even if it means going against the opinion of the majority of their constituents.

"Each member of Congress is going to have to decide if [they] think it's the right thing to do for America's national security and the world's national security," Obama said. "Ultimately, you listen to your constituents, but you've got to make some decisions about what you believe is right for America."
President Obama Calls for Conscience Vote On Syria, Even If Public Opposed - ABC News


Who would have thought Obama would be making such an argument to go to war. Is he a neocon? Is he a hawk.

Is invoking WWII a Godwin?
 
Those countries which have ratified the Rome Statutes do. The rebels, as the recognized government of Syria, could ratify those statutes and charge Assad.

Did Assad not kill 10s of 1000s of civilians?


The only thing the rebels seem united on is their hatred for Assad. Beyond that they don't seem united on who or what they want to replace him. Some rebels are purely out for revenge. Others are sects fighting Sunni vs Shiite. Others are jiiahdi sympathetic to Al Qaeda. Others are connected to activists in the UK. Others are Kurds trying to have their own country. Others are just civilians defending themselves from Assad and the rebels. Some rebel factions have already staked out territorities and have their own governments set up and operating.
 
Early Sunday morning John Kerry, stated that president Assad could avoid a US military strike by turning over his chemical weapons to the international community and working with the Russians, president Assad has agreed to do just that! Now, the only thing we should be discussing going forward is when and how will these weapons be secured and removed from Syria? NO, further talk of US military action would be appropriate. But, it appears we are getting a lack lustre response from the White House on this already.
 
At what cost? How many US lives?

Well I don't know Crue that's a good question. I think one thing we can count on is that it will cost more and take longer than any estimates they tell us, isn't it always?
 
This if fortunate for Obama in one respect. He was pushing an unpopular idea and a failed ideology. Now he has an out. There will be no vote, therefore no rebuke in Congress. Maybe they will even let him keep his peace prize.

On the other hand, the US has ceded it's power in the Middle East to Russia and forfeited it's reputation as the worlds last super power. Internationally we are weak and no longer a reliable ally and feared foe. We are truly the paper tiger they talked about in the 70's.
 
This if fortunate for Obama in one respect. He was pushing an unpopular idea and a failed ideology. Now he has an out. There will be no vote, therefore no rebuke in Congress. Maybe they will even let him keep his peace prize.

On the other hand, the US has ceded it's power in the Middle East to Russia and forfeited it's reputation as the worlds last super power. Internationally we are weak and no longer a reliable ally and feared foe. We are truly the paper tiger they talked about in the 70's.

It's probably worse. Putin's playing the White House like a bad fiddle and will delay delay. How's Obama going to look attacking Syria with a peace offering on the table from Russia that we don't use because it's taking too long? No way everyone calls a time out so some international group can go in and secure, count, stack and ship those chem weapons out of there. This is a really bad mistake by Obama and Putin I think will make us look like idiots on this one.
 
I can't see this Russia ovation pulling back the bombs from flying if Congress okay's it. Yes Russia just provided Obama a way out but the vote will still have to happen. I can't see Obama coming on TV on Tuesday saying "We've struck a deal with Putin, they're going to secure all the chemical weapons and we can all stand down. False alarm guys!" He can't save face that way internationally or domestically. He's going to have to either run this Russian plan through the UN and put UN troops with Russian troops on the ground to get those chems.

But then again, is that something Assad would allow? I don't think so especially not when around him he's still in a seemingly protracted civil war. This sounds good on paper but very difficult to pull off.

Are you kidding? Obama showed he's a real leader, he told Putin at the G20 he isn't backing down. OBAMA IS THE REASON FOR THE RUSSIAN PLAN!!!
 
Our dummy-in-chief makes us look weaker and weaker as he is laughed at on the world stage. I think the next time he meets Putin, he should bow before him like he did with the arabs. Putin has earned it. He should probably kiss his ring, too.
 
That is absolutely hysterical! How stupid do they think that the American people are?

Very very... especially if the MSM repeats it ad nauseum for reinforcement.
 
That is absolutely hysterical! How stupid do they think that the American people are? I guess there are always a large amount of the low information voter that will just eat this right up. It's like Pee Wee Herman falling off his bike and getting up and saying "I meant to do that!"
The low information voter lost in 2008 AND 2012. McCain or Romney? LMMFAO. :cool:
 
The low information voter lost in 2008 AND 2012. McCain or Romney? LMMFAO. :cool:
You'll be needing a new one, then. Gubmint seems to be overflowing with 'em, so you can probably get a used one cheap.
 
It's probably worse. Putin's playing the White House like a bad fiddle and will delay delay. How's Obama going to look attacking Syria with a peace offering on the table from Russia that we don't use because it's taking too long? No way everyone calls a time out so some international group can go in and secure, count, stack and ship those chem weapons out of there. This is a really bad mistake by Obama and Putin I think will make us look like idiots on this one.

Obama supporters can always look at the bright side

Obama bending over for Putin signals a new era of LGBT relations between The United States and Russia
 
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