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12 US intelligence officials tell Obama that Assad did not use chemical weapons

......it's almost as if we elected a college adjunct with no executive experience to speak of to be our Commander in Chief.......

We did, and its becoming more and more painfully obvious.
 
Then do it, dont tell the "murderous bastard" you are going to do it for three weeks then sabre rattle some more before giving a speech about it.

:shrug: full agreement. The administration has been its usual, dithering, indecisive self.
 
Figure it out.

Actually I suspect you made it up. Would it threaten Maritime Dominance? Ability to project into the Littorals? Ability to destabilize consolidation attempts over central asia? Critical Infrastructure?

Our security will be at greater risk, Israels security will be at greater risk. And with Russia getting involved? Who knows what crazy direction things could take.
The way Putin is man handling Obama, he probably thinks he could push us out of the ME all together.

....no.... ish. Putin probably thinks he can replace us in much of the ME, as we are in such a hurry to leave we are creating a vacuum.
 
Actually I suspect you made it up. Would it threaten Maritime Dominance? Ability to project into the Littorals? Ability to destabilize consolidation attempts over central asia? Critical Infrastructure?



....no.... ish. Putin probably thinks he can replace us in much of the ME, as we are in such a hurry to leave we are creating a vacuum.
Yea, what was I thinking, how possible could a strike against another middle eastern country have a negative effect.
Who is next? Lybia? Yemen? The next Syrian regime? What other piss poor military made up of half wit pilots and little trained tankers can we find to push around because they dont treat their people right?
 
Yea, what was I thinking, how possible could a strike against another middle eastern country have a negative effect.
Who is next? Lybia? Yemen? The next Syrian regime? What other piss poor military made up of half wit pilots and little trained tankers can we find to push around because they dont treat their people right?

:shrug: well there are a multiplicity of plausible futures, but there are also many ways in which no strikes have a positive effect.
 
:shrug: well there are a multiplicity of plausible futures, but there are also many ways in which no strikes have a positive effect.
Tough talk of military strikes should never have come from Obama's mouth.
He knew there was no support for it, never will be.
 
Tough talk of military strikes should never have come from Obama's mouth.
He knew there was no support for it, never will be.

well, the most important part of a threat is credibility. I'd say we just flushed a good bit of ours.
 
well, the most important part of a threat is credibility. I'd say we just flushed a good bit of ours.

Its credible, just not plausable. We as a nation can very easily back up the tough talk to the point of turning the whole ME into the proverbial sheet of glass.
But everyone over there now knows we wont do it. They know we are weak of mind and heart.
Now, we just look like the drunk blow hard in a bar swaggering around like we are looking for a fight. Then someone steps up, and we come up with a million excuses to not step out side.
Then what is worse, our former enemy has to step in and provide cover for the very person we were so eager to fight.
 
In Libya, coalition forces only killed 1k civilians. That's reality.

Nice selective memory. What about Iraq? How any with drones? They'll likely never report or even co.pile the full of those stats.
 
Nice selective memory. What about Iraq? How any with drones? They'll likely never report or even co.pile the full of those stats.

Do you think Syria is more like Libya or Iraq. Let's be real. The 1k is total civilians by coalition forces. We're ~60k civilians late, and it's time to end that dictatorship.
 
Does anybody else find it peculiar that Hillary has been mysteriously silent through all of this Syria stuff.

No, not at all. what is her post in the Obama administration? That said, she spoke up today, one of the things she said was that the Russians had best make sure that president Assad does in fact turn over all his chemical weapons to the international community, or else "we" will hold them accountable. So Iran and Syria aren't the only ones that make threats, their just the evil ones for making threats. Also she basically said that turning over those weapons wouldn't prevent US action. That, is NOT what Kerry said.
 
well, the most important part of a threat is credibility. I'd say we just flushed a good bit of ours.

Considering the events of the last 15 years or so, I would say we had no more than a thimble full to flush.
 
Its credible, just not plausable. We as a nation can very easily back up the tough talk to the point of turning the whole ME into the proverbial sheet of glass.

A "threat" is "capability" plus "intent". Force is useless if you aren't willing to use it and everyone knows that.

But everyone over there now knows we wont do it. They know we are weak of mind and heart.

Yup. We seem to have spent the last handful of years doing our best to demonstrate the truthfulness of the "Weak Horse" thesis.
 
Do you think Syria is more like Libya or Iraq. Let's be real. The 1k is total civilians by coalition forces. We're ~60k civilians late, and it's time to end that dictatorship.

Seeing as this conflict seems to be starting out exactly like Iraq and we haven't shown any improvement in leadership since then...well I doubt it's going to be Libya.

But Russia will take the chemical weapons so we won't have to invade.
 
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