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Citing Obamacare, 40,000 Longshoremen Quit the AFL-CIO

Hatuey said:
So then he hasn't pushed a single socialist reform - like say abolition of property - but his goal is to do just that by keeping up a capitalist front? Well, that's a pretty stupid plan aka conspiracy theory.
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government take over of health care isn't a socialist idea? Government take over of an automotive company isn't a socialist idea? the million he had government invest into green energy programs that the majority have failed isn't a socialist idea. Sir you have no clue what is socialism
 
trfjr said:
government take over of health care isn't a socialist idea?
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No. It really isn't. Capitalist societies can have collective institutions. Is the defense of our borders socialism? The government has taken over that. Is the military socialism? The government controls that. Are highways socialism? The government controls the spending on those. If anything the government "controls" is socialism, we've been socialists since the days of Washington. However, as the government doesn't control healthcare, your entire point is moot.

Government take over of an automotive company isn't a socialist idea?
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As the government hasn't taken control of any automotive company, again nonstarter.

the million he had government invest into green energy programs that the majority have failed isn't a socialist idea. Sir you have no clue what is socialism
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It seems as if you don't know what socialism is. Your contention is that anything the government takes over is socialism. If that is they case, answer these questions:

Is anti-choice government policy socialism? After all, it would be the government taking over a personal choice. Even at the state level, and according to you, it's socialism.

Is border enforcement legislation socialism? After all, the government is taking over control of the borders. Even at the state level, and according to you, it's socialism.

Are sidewalks and roads socialism? After all, the government regulates all aspects related to these. Even at the state level, and according to you, it's socialism.

Your definition of socialism is so broad that your very presence on the internet can be attributed to socialist action. After all, the government legislates many aspects of telecommunications and how we access the web. So then if we are to go by your notion of what is and isn't socialist here is a short list of things: the internet, roads, borders, the military, anti-choice policy.

Are you sure this is the road you want to go down?
 
Finally even the dumb oaf longshoremen have had enough of this crap?
By cracky there may be hope for this country yet ?

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Hatuey said:
Only it wasn't a summary. A summary would imply that the reasons being mentioned on that page have been mentioned before. Did you read the letter? It still doesn't sound like you did. Please do. Page 3 is a continuation of a paragraph started on page 2 - which cites:

- Shakiness of the AFL
- ObamaCare
- Immigration reform
- The ILWU's refusal to compromise

All of which are reasons which are NEVER mentioned throughout the other 2 pages because the other 2 pages are composed of OTHER reason the ILWU leaving the AFL-CIO.

Again, you're looking mighty desperate. This letter is a list of reasons as to why the ILWU is leaving the AFL-CIO. One of which is ObamaCare and yet it isn't even the primary reason for leaving because they cite about 8 other reasons LONG before they cite ObamaCare. Your narrative is starting to fall apart.
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I suggest you look for work so you will understand how to comprehend communication in the business world.
 
fmw said:
I think Obamacare is pretty much an equal opportunity screw job.
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perhaps the worse piece of legislation in the last 50 years.
 
Manc Skipper said:
Breitbart was the original sorce of that "reinterpretation" of reality. I don't need to guess at your comprehension capability.
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You mean it was listed there as well as other places
 
Rocketman said:
perhaps the worse piece of legislation in the last 50 years.
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It depends on your point of view. I'm certain the democrats pushed Obamacare through in the middle of night simply because it is so bad. That way they can arrive on white horses and save the day by replacing it with a single payer system. They would never have gotten the single payer system even in the middle of the night. Obamacare is a stepping stone so, for the democrats, it was a brilliant move.
 
Rocketman said:
Unions were betrayed by Obamacare, many union members are being forced into earlier retirement so their spouse coverage costs do not change on them. Obama lied to evey union person when discussing this plan. Some will support him to the end but the smarter ones are beginning to wake up.
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Repeating your freakish allegation once it's been pointed out that the facts are otherwise doesn't make you look smarter. Just the opposite.
 
Rocketman said:
I read the letter but that on enforces what is in the thread title, many more union members will be following this one as Obama did to them what he has done to everyone while telling them he was on their side. Obama is a POS.
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Substitute "contradicts" instead of "reinforces" and you might be groping toward reality.
 
Hatuey said:
I don't expect Libertarians to be a bright bunch. :shrug:
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I am surprised to hear you go on about Libertarians as non intellectuals.
From my experience, Libertarians are almost always extremely smart and well educated. Sometimes even gifted.
The problem with Libertarians is similar to the problem with Republicans. They lack empathy.
Generally I view Libertarians as Tea-Baggers with a brain. But a powerful brain often leads to a disconnect with reality.
A disconnect with reality in combination with the lack of empathy can be dangerous.
 
fmw said:
It depends on your point of view. I'm certain the democrats pushed Obamacare through in the middle of night simply because it is so bad. That way they can arrive on white horses and save the day by replacing it with a single payer system. They would never have gotten the single payer system even in the middle of the night. Obamacare is a stepping stone so, for the democrats, it was a brilliant move.
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I disagree, one of the votes they always depend on is unions, those with cadillac plans got screwed in this deal and they will not support democrats in the future
 
head of joaquin said:
Repeating your freakish allegation once it's been pointed out that the facts are otherwise doesn't make you look smarter. Just the opposite.
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did you say something?
 
Painter said:
I am surprised to hear you go on about Libertarians as non intellectuals.
From my experience, Libertarians are almost always extremely smart and well educated. Sometimes even gifted.
The problem with Libertarians is similar to the problem with Republicans. They lack empathy.
Generally I view Libertarians as Tea-Baggers with a brain. But a powerful brain often leads to a disconnect with reality.
A disconnect with reality in combination with the lack of empathy can be dangerous.
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Its not that we lack empathy, its that we are guided by principle, Reason is emotions master, not the other way around.
 
hah yeah that's what it looks like on ignore? eh Rocket?
 
Rocketman said:
I suggest you look for work so you will understand how to comprehend communication in the business world.
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I didn't expect you to have an argument anyways. Still trying to pretend you read the letter? I would guess. Considering you haven't even addressed the fact that they're still very much part of an union, an union that will vote Democrat in 2016.
 
Hatuey said:
I didn't expect you to have an argument anyways. Still trying to pretend you read the letter? I would guess. Considering you haven't even addressed the fact that they're still very much part of an union, an union that will vote Democrat in 2016.
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not those 40,000 members or many other members that were screwed on benefits because of ACA
 
Rocketman said:
not those 40,000 members or many other members that were screwed on benefits because of ACA
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So in response you're just making stuff up, I see.

Obamaphobia: you're soaking in it.
 
Even Union Members (which are not rocket scientists) can see that this monstrosity is an Obamanation ?
 
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