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Putin Orders Massive Strike Against Saudi Arabia If West Attacks Syria.....

P. Kersey said:
We've been working hard at destabilizing the ME since at LEAST the 40's.
Nobody likes the u.s. over there. They have good reasons, too.
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I'm not sure the US has been working at "destabilizing" the ME so much as often working at cross purposes but that's because the ME is a boiling pot of bad, incompatible ingredients. I look at Egypt under Mubarak as an example, and Pakistan under Musharif - both were loyal to the US, worked with the US on it's goals in the region and both ended up being abandoned by Obama when he came into office and neither country now is very friendly to the US even though you have to keep propping up their militaries to avoid total chaos.
 
CanadaJohn said:
I'm not sure the US has been working at "destabilizing" the ME so much as often working at cross purposes but that's because the ME is a boiling pot of bad, incompatible ingredients. I look at Egypt under Mubarak as an example, and Pakistan under Musharif - both were loyal to the US, worked with the US on it's goals in the region and both ended up being abandoned by Obama when he came into office and neither country now is very friendly to the US even though you have to keep propping up their militaries to avoid total chaos.
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Ok..but let's not forget we've done the same things in iraq, iran and afghanistan...etc...We manipulate and play one side against the other..often while arming BOTH sides..that isn't a sound foreign "policy". It creates anti american hatred in all countries who we've "played".

We do it to keep the area off balance which allows us to exert "influence".
 
P. Kersey said:
Ok..but let's not forget we've done the same things in iraq, iran and afghanistan...etc...We manipulate and play one side against the other..often while arming BOTH sides..that isn't a sound foreign "policy". It creates anti american hatred in all countries who we've "played".

We do it to keep the area off balance which allows us to exert "influence".
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I can agree with that - it's a far more dangerous game now, however, because the world is a relatively smaller place and the US is no longer isolated on the other side of the world - trouble can come to your doorstep.
 
CanadaJohn said:
I can agree with that - it's a far more dangerous game now, however, because the world is a relatively smaller place and the US is no longer isolated on the other side of the world - trouble can come to your doorstep.
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I agree.
 
Sherman123 said:
Do you mean it's air defense grid?
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Sea based too. We're going to have to take out much of the air defense network before we start serious bombing and that's likely going to involve sea based weapons hitting land targets. We should expect some sea based defenses. I really hope we can use drones to laser target rather than relying on soldiers. If we can do with Kosovo Style with zero active losses, that would be preferred.
 
all that stuff will be smoking wreckage in the first wave of attacks
when does the the show begin?
 
American said:
Frankly I think there is something about these latest hypersonic aircraft experiments that are relatable to this. There are various ways of delivering kinetic energy, and speed gives you a huge advantage in that area. A hypersonic air vehicle would be hard to stop too.
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Now would be a good time for the US to reveal kinetic weapons installed on Satellites. The sheer energy falling from dozens of miles from space has to be immense. Easily enough to break through nanoparticle reinforced concrete.

But I think we did sign some agreement saying not to weaponize space.
 
obvious Child said:
Now would be a good time for the US to reveal kinetic weapons installed on Satellites. The sheer energy falling from dozens of miles from space has to be immense. Easily enough to break through nanoparticle reinforced concrete.

But I think we did sign some agreement saying not to weaponize space.
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I don't know about nanoparticles or kinetic weapons but this is interesting.
Largest Rocket Ever Launched From Vandenberg AFB Makes Lift-Off « CBS Los Angeles
I thought once an object reached terminal velocity in a fall, that was it. And terminal velocity can be reached from a pretty low height...maybe a hundred feet or so?
 
P. Kersey said:
I don't know about nanoparticles or kinetic weapons but this is interesting.
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Iran has a special type of concrete which uses small particles to produce a very durable concrete. We launched big rockets at material we produced and it just shrugs it off. And Iran has access to the same materials. This is a big problem for bunker busters. If they cannot even pierce the concrete over the target site, the weapon is useless.

Largest Rocket Ever Launched From Vandenberg AFB Makes Lift-Off « CBS Los Angeles
I thought once an object reached terminal velocity in a fall, that was it. And terminal velocity can be reached from a pretty low height...maybe a hundred feet or so?
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In theory, a kinetic missile launching satellite wants to be fairly high up so that it can cover a large amount of territory. Being able to hit thousands of square miles with a single statellite is more cost effective. Total energy is the only thing we really care about in the end, but it does matter how much area a single satellite can cover. Imagine a 1 ton solid piece of tungsten hitting a target at terminal velocity. That's alot of energy.
 
obvious Child said:
Iran has a special type of concrete which uses small particles to produce a very durable concrete. We launched big rockets at material we produced and it just shrugs it off. And Iran has access to the same materials. This is a big problem for bunker busters. If they cannot even pierce the concrete over the target site, the weapon is useless.



In theory, a kinetic missile launching satellite wants to be fairly high up so that it can cover a large amount of territory. Being able to hit thousands of square miles with a single statellite is more cost effective. Total energy is the only thing we really care about in the end, but it does matter how much area a single satellite can cover. Imagine a 1 ton solid piece of tungsten hitting a target at terminal velocity. That's alot of energy.
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I still don't get it. I understand using altitude to be able to "see" farther and allow more potential targets. I don't see how the delivery system has to be a satellite, though We have keyhole sats and rorsats and mad sats already..We can "see" everything...and so can russia...

I still don't get how, if terminal velocity is a relatively limited number..at a certain point, no matter what the object, no more speed can be attained...what is the advantage of launching from space?

It is stupid expensive and it allows the enemy to have more time to counter. We already have subsonic and supersonic missiles here on earth.
I'm not arguing, I'm ignorant about this subject.
 
obvious Child said:
Now would be a good time for the US to reveal kinetic weapons installed on Satellites. The sheer energy falling from dozens of miles from space has to be immense. Easily enough to break through nanoparticle reinforced concrete.

But I think we did sign some agreement saying not to weaponize space.
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I wasn't talking about anything launched from satellites.
 
P. Kersey said:
I still don't get it. I understand using altitude to be able to "see" farther and allow more potential targets. I don't see how the delivery system has to be a satellite, though We have keyhole sats and rorsats and mad sats already..We can "see" everything...and so can russia...
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How are you going to launch kinetic weapons from space without a delivery platform?

I still don't get how, if terminal velocity is a relatively limited number..at a certain point, no matter what the object, no more speed can be attained...what is the advantage of launching from space?
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Well, if it's disguised as a commercial satellite, easier to hide. And you don't have to rely on any assets on Earth to be in the area. Just load up the targeting and launch from space. IMO, it's pretty ingenious. You basically have a WMD on command that's easily hidden and largely immune to most weapons.

It is stupid expensive and it allows the enemy to have more time to counter. We already have subsonic and supersonic missiles here on earth.
I'm not arguing, I'm ignorant about this subject.
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Kinetic bombardment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Last I checked, Project Thor was seriously considered.
 
obvious Child said:
How are you going to launch kinetic weapons from space without a delivery platform?



Well, if it's disguised as a commercial satellite, easier to hide. And you don't have to rely on any assets on Earth to be in the area. Just load up the targeting and launch from space. IMO, it's pretty ingenious. You basically have a WMD on command that's easily hidden and largely immune to most weapons.



Kinetic bombardment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Last I checked, Project Thor was seriously considered.
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Much simpler to use an EMP device...
 
AlabamaPaul said:
Much simpler to use an EMP device...
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Uh...to get a sufficiently large EMP, you need a really big nuke, or a series of nukes to ionize the atmosphere. Also, questions remain if anything you're trying to EMP will be left.

First use of nuclear weapons is largely out of the question. Plus, they aren't precision weapons.
 
obvious Child said:
How are you going to launch kinetic weapons from space without a delivery platform?



Well, if it's disguised as a commercial satellite, easier to hide. And you don't have to rely on any assets on Earth to be in the area. Just load up the targeting and launch from space. IMO, it's pretty ingenious. You basically have a WMD on command that's easily hidden and largely immune to most weapons.



Kinetic bombardment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Last I checked, Project Thor was seriously considered.
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I still don't understand the "advantage" of it or why it's necessary.

It sounds like some comic book star trek idea..The necessity of the "device" and the whole concept of how it's "better" than supersonic missiles we already have on earth escapes me. Thanks for taking the time, though.
 
MMC said:
Looks like Russia has really upped the Ante now. This coincides with what Moscow is talking about War. I also believe they have some ships down around Bahrain at this time.


A grim “urgent action memorandum” issued today from the office of President Putin to the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation is ordering a “massive military strike” against Saudi Arabia in the event that the West attacks Syria.

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According to Kremlin sources familiar with this extraordinary “war order,” Putin became “enraged” after his early August meeting with Saudi Prince Bandar bin Sultan who warned that if Russia did not accept the defeat of Syria, Saudi Arabia would unleash Chechen terrorists under their control to cause mass death and chaos during the Winter Olympics scheduled to be held 7-23 February 2014 in Sochi, Russia.

Lebanese newspaper As-Safir confirmed this amazing threat against Russia saying that Prince Bandar pledged to safeguard Russia’s naval base in Syria if the Assad regime is toppled, but he also hinted at Chechen terrorist attacks on Russia’s Winter Olympics in Sochi if there is no accord by stating: “I can give you a guarantee to protect the Winter Olympics next year. The Chechen groups that threaten the security of the games are controlled by us.”

Prince Bandar went on to say that Chechens operating in Syria were a pressure tool that could be switched on an off.“These groups do not scare us. We use them in the face of the Syrian regime but they will have no role in Syria’s political future.”.....snip~

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If Putin really wants WWIII all that Russia has to do is throw the 1st punch.




My guess is that it won't happen because no one in Russia wants to turn this planet over to the rats and cockroaches.

If the USA put a good enough ass-whipping on Syria this time it probably won't have to do it again.
 
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shrubnose said:
If Putin really wants WWIII all that Russia has to do is throw the 1st punch.
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..or maybe we could substitute "obama" for putin in that sentence.
russia isn't a bunch of backward peasants. They know what they're doing and they have more advanced technology than we do. They also have a stronger will and are more nationalistic. Don't kid yourself.
hell, WE have to pay THEM to fly OUR astronauts into space now.
 
Obummer's a real warrior? :bs
I think you'd be shocked how fast he would run away if that Rooskie dude started throwin' down
 
P. Kersey said:
I still don't understand the "advantage" of it or why it's necessary.
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Harder to track, harder to kill, faster delivery, better precision.

It sounds like some comic book star trek idea..The necessity of the "device" and the whole concept of how it's "better" than supersonic missiles we already have on earth escapes me. Thanks for taking the time, though.
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Supersonic missiles require a platform to launch from. And that platform can be removed before they get into range. The Russians have to fly well past many US allies and bases before they can launch airbased supersonics at Guam and they still have 2~4 hour flight times and they still have to get past missile defenses. These supersonics only fly around 3 times the speed of sound where a kinetic can fly potentially at 10 times. Plus you need a crew for your delivery system. Having a kinetic space platform removes this problem entirely. And we actively track their bombers, as they do ours. The only real threat to a kinetic space platform is an anti-satellite missile or hitting the control base. Kinetic space weapons puts no one at risk in delivering a weapon that can hit the target in potentially minutes globally.

I do think that Thor violates the crap out of no weaponizing of space though.
 
MMC said:
Looks like Russia has really upped the Ante now. This coincides with what Moscow is talking about War. I also believe they have some ships down around Bahrain at this time.


A grim “urgent action memorandum” issued today from the office of President Putin to the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation is ordering a “massive military strike” against Saudi Arabia in the event that the West attacks Syria.

19821_255x190.jpg


According to Kremlin sources familiar with this extraordinary “war order,” Putin became “enraged” after his early August meeting with Saudi Prince Bandar bin Sultan who warned that if Russia did not accept the defeat of Syria, Saudi Arabia would unleash Chechen terrorists under their control to cause mass death and chaos during the Winter Olympics scheduled to be held 7-23 February 2014 in Sochi, Russia.

Lebanese newspaper As-Safir confirmed this amazing threat against Russia saying that Prince Bandar pledged to safeguard Russia’s naval base in Syria if the Assad regime is toppled, but he also hinted at Chechen terrorist attacks on Russia’s Winter Olympics in Sochi if there is no accord by stating: “I can give you a guarantee to protect the Winter Olympics next year. The Chechen groups that threaten the security of the games are controlled by us.”

Prince Bandar went on to say that Chechens operating in Syria were a pressure tool that could be switched on an off.“These groups do not scare us. We use them in the face of the Syrian regime but they will have no role in Syria’s political future.”.....snip~

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Putin Orders Massive Strike Against Saudi Arabia If West Attacks Syria | EUTimes ? Iranian.com
EUTimes <<<<< 14 hrs ago.
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P. Kersey said:
..or maybe we could substitute "obama" for putin in that sentence.
russia isn't a bunch of backward peasants. They know what they're doing and they have more advanced technology than we do. They also have a stronger will and are more nationalistic. Don't kid yourself.
hell, WE have to pay THEM to fly OUR astronauts into space now.
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You are the one who is kidding himself.

Wait and see what happens.


The Russian have a lot of obsolete military crap that doesn't work and they know it.

Russia will not be attacking the USA or any of its allies anytime soon.
 
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nuthin's gonna happen this is going to be a non-event
it's all a distraction from the real issues
 
OC just shoot photon torpedoes at them
 
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