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Putin Orders Massive Strike Against Saudi Arabia If West Attacks Syria.....

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can you be more specific?)
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I originally flagged it as a QUOTE a couple of weeks ago for you and the other cast members so you might have already seen it ... comment #207 ... with love.
 
More likely Iran with the third largest army in the world will rush to aid Libya. The problem there would be a possible strike by Israel. Either way it is business as usual in the good ol' Middle East.
 
Ignoring what we've done in iran, iraq, libya, egypt, afghan..etc..for generations.

:doh No one is ignoring anything. You are arguing against a strawman, apparently because this is the one argument you learned, and you don't know how to switch tack.

We started supporting the Egyptian Government in 1974. Prior to that, they went to war regularly with both their fellow Arab States and Israel. After that, they went to war with nobody, and instead became a partner in hunting down Islamist terror groups.

Afghanistan is in Central Asia, not the Middle East. You are confusing "Muslim" with "Middle Eastern".

In Iraq we supported Saddam Hussein to stop a destabilizing force (Shiite Revolution), and then opposed him when he became a destabilizing force.

In Libya we absolutely went in and helped the locals take out a psycho who was intent on doing to Benghazi what Assads' daddy did to Hama. I have no problem with that.

and you admitted it's true..(you had no choice, of course..I showed you the facts).

:lol: dude. You argued that we intentionally destabilized the middle east. The evidence presented never indicated whatsoever that it has ever been U.S. Foreign Policy to destabilize the Middle East, and instead went to great lengths to make an argument against U.S. intervention in the 1993 destabilizing attack by Saddam Hussein by making the U.S. look fickle. I could just as easily demonstrate that Vladimir Putin intends to invade China by posting pictures of him riding around bare-chested.

and claiming that no war between egypt and israel proves we aren't destabilizing the middle east is...childish and disingenuous...

Are you saying that they have gone to war since we started propping up the Egyptian government?

anyone over the age of about 16 knows what's going on..are you over 16?

:lol: Well I tell you what, Kersey. Give us your background in this field of discussion and I'll give you mine :).
 
You are confusing "being despised" with "lack of stability".


tell you what - you tell me. which is less stable: Egypt under Mubarak, or Egypt under the Brotherhood? Easier version: which was less stable: The middle east during the 1950s 60s and 70s when nation-on-nation war was a constant occurrence, or the middle east in the 90s once we turned the arab states into client states, and the single big conflict was us v Iraq and then isralies and palestinians bickering? Was Egypt more likely to go to war with Israel and Saudi Arabia under Nasser? Or Mubarak after we decided to start supporting him? ;)

For that matter, which is less stable: Jordan, under our ally the king, or Gaza, where the Palestinians rule themselves?

Which is less stable: Saudi Arabia, whom we have poured massive resources into? Or Yemen, where we haven't?


The single example of Iraq actually makes my argument - the only reason we supplied Saddam is because we wanted to stop the destabilizing force of Shia Islamist Revolution from spreading to other Shia-dominant areas (such as Bahrain). We backed Saddam at the time because that was the stabilizing option in the ME.


You'll get no argument from me that our policy of supporting abusive governments is a large part of why we are hated. Agreed. But arguing that dictators aren't generally capable of controlling their space doesn't match the historical record. It's a relatively short term (it only lasts for a generation or three) solution; but it is a solution.

Ok..I'm not going to run in circles with you or play word games over semantics.I already proved my point yesterday.
I showed you the detailed history of the area and our role in destabilizing various countries on purpose so we could keep the area off balance which allows us to exert our influence. You even agreed the history was accurate...

At this point I'm done with this and I'll refer you to Dave Fagan's quote; He summed it up very well.

Dave Fagan said:
When a country arms both sides in war, including chemical weapon precursors, and supplies satellite intelligence, it might be considered destabilizing, but on the other hand, in your world this is stabilizing.
 
More likely Iran with the third largest army in the world will rush to aid Libya. The problem there would be a possible strike by Israel. Either way it is business as usual in the good ol' Middle East.

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Alright. In order to get to Libya, Iran has to fight it's way through Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Israel, and Egypt. How exactly do you see it pulling that off?
 
Ok..I'm not going to run in circles with you or play word games over semantics.I already proved my point yesterday.
I showed you the detailed history of the area and our role in destabilizing various countries on purpose so we could keep the area off balance which allows us to exert our influence. You even agreed the history was accurate...

At this point I'm done with this and I'll refer you to Dave Fagan's quote; He summed it up very well.

:roll: once you begin deferring to dave fagan, you're pretty much shooting holes in your own credibility.
 
I figure he meant Syria.
 
:roll: once you begin deferring to dave fagan, you're pretty much shooting holes in your own credibility.

Really, what's wrong with DaveFagan?
 
MMC why'd you have too bring up Russian P-800 Oniks
yer such a party pooper
Oh Bummer's supposed to be able to sit our ships off the coast and pull this silliness of with impunity
but yer right them things to go supersonic in the terminal phase making them a biotch to knock down

Heya AOG. :2wave: Don't worry.....the French say they have Troops that are ready. They will come and Punish Assad. :shock: That Bad old Putty Tat. :2razz:

Well.....we can't count any Liberals or progressives putting up ANY info on them. Not to many know anything outside the US and their Abortion and LGBT issues. Just sayin! ;)
 
MMC why'd you have too bring up Russian P-800 Oniks
yer such a party pooper
Oh Bummer's supposed to be able to sit our ships off the coast and pull this silliness of with impunity
but yer right them things to go supersonic in the terminal phase making them a biotch to knock down

Don't even begin to pretend you understand the finer points of naval combat or anti-ship cruise missiles. Military hardware wanking is one of the most annoying refuges of people who have a limited grasp of geopolitics. These missiles would not be a serious problem (if any are left after the last air raid...which should also tell you how these situations are dispatched).
 
Don't even begin to pretend you understand the finer points of naval combat or anti-ship cruise missiles. Military hardware wanking is one of the most annoying refuges of people who have a limited grasp of geopolitics. These missiles would not be a serious problem (if any are left after the last air raid...which should also tell you how these situations are dispatched).

LMFAO!...:roll:
 
Don't even begin to pretend you understand the finer points of naval combat or anti-ship cruise missiles. Military hardware wanking is one of the most annoying refuges of people who have a limited grasp of geopolitics. These missiles would not be a serious problem (if any are left after the last air raid...which should also tell you how these situations are dispatched).

Heya Sherman.....these missiles wouldn't be a serious problem for who? What do you classify as a serious problem? What happens if one Ship killer hits one of our Destroyers?

This isn't a missile slung from a Slingshot.
 
LMFAO!...:roll:

Right. Israel can bomb a naval storage facility and shore battery but the United States navy and allied air arms would be completely helpless in the face of this 'teh awesomz russian technulogy' which is what we always hear when someone wants to make a point on Iran, Syria, etc. Just like we'd never be able to tangle with the amazing Iraqi or Serbian air defense grid because come on guys they have all those SA-3's and (cue litany of Soviet designations that I lifted from wikipedia)!

We have an immensely sophisticated military apparatus and we will be fine.
 
Heya Sherman.....these missiles wouldn't be a serious problem for who? What do you classify as a serious problem? What happens if one Ship killer hits one of our Destroyers?

This isn't a missile slung from a Slingshot.

Wouldn't be a serious problem for us. Just like Iraqi ASCM's weren't a problem for us during the Gulf War (we either shot them down or more commonly we destroyed them on the ground). I doubt the Syrians would ever get the chance to fire one if they even have any left.
 
Wouldn't be a serious problem for us. Just like Iraqi ASCM's weren't a problem for us during the Gulf War (we either shot them down or more commonly we destroyed them on the ground). I doubt the Syrians would ever get the chance to fire one if they even have any left.

Well, with that would be coming the S300's, then the 200's.....also Saddam didn't have as much Anti Air as Assad does.

Do you think DOD assessment is then wrong on the real Strength of Assad's Defenses?
 
Well, with that would be coming the S300's, then the 200's.....also Saddam didn't have as much Anti Air as Assad does.

Do you think DOD assessment is then wrong on the real Strength of Assad's Defenses?

I am completely confident that we have the capability to totally denude the Syrian air defense grid. Possibly without losing a single plane. If you are referring to General Dempsey's commentary to Congress he was referring to the costs of putting troops into the region and the risks wider involvement entails. Just the other day he freely granted that the Syrian air force and defense grid could be easily totaled by the United States.
 
I am completely confident that we have the capability to totally denude the Syrian air defense grid. Possibly without losing a single plane. If you are referring to General Dempsey's commentary to Congress he was referring to the costs of putting troops into the region and the risks wider involvement entails. Just the other day he freely granted that the Syrian air force and defense grid could be easily totaled by the United States.

Could you elaborate on your superior knowledge and understanding of every weapons system in the world?
 
I am completely confident that we have the capability to totally denude the Syrian air defense grid. Possibly without losing a single plane. If you are referring to General Dempsey's commentary to Congress he was referring to the costs of putting troops into the region and the risks wider involvement entails. Just the other day he freely granted that the Syrian air force and defense grid could be easily totaled by the United States.

Nothing like positivity to sound confident. :rock But no I was talking DOD assessment on Record. Real Strengths and real time data. Not Camera material. ;)
 
Could you elaborate on your superior knowledge and understanding of every weapons system in the world?

I'm not a weapons systems expert but I know enough that people who hype a particular weapons system when discussing a geopolitical issue usually don't know what they are talking about.

Edit: Salient example being people who will roar about "Iran has S-300's!!!!!!! Or Iran has Sunburns!!" when the topic of striking that country comes up and the technical infeasibility of US action is argued.
 
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Nothing like positivity to sound confident. :rock But no I was talking DOD assessment on Record. Real Strengths and real time data. Not Camera material. ;)

If you have something specific you are referring to could you please link it here?
 
I'm not a weapons systems expert but I know enough that people who hype a particular weapons system when discussing a geopolitical issue usually don't know what they are talking about.



Edit: Salient example being people who will roar about "Iran has S-300's!!!!!!! Or Iran has Sunburns!!" when the topic of striking that country comes up and the technical infeasibility of US action is argued.


I see....No one else knows what they are talking about, but you do because you said so..ok. That's good enough for me.

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What was your GPA while you were at west point?

How did you do on DS 310 "Military Tactics" and "DS 470 "Military Strategy"?

Did you take the HI 355 "Warfare in the Age of Industrialization" course?

What about the DS 455 " Comparative Military Systems" course? How did you do in that one?

Naturally you aced HI358 "Strategy, Policy, and Generalship" I should take that for granted, right? ;)
 
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Mornin CJ :2wave: .....well there still is Bahrain and Yemen. Which Yemen will let us do whatever since we let Selah go with Immunity. After all his genocidal killing of the Shia.

Btw this morning the Russians Sent a Missile Cruiser and a Sub Seeker into Club Med.....course they are saying it is nothing out of the Ordinary.
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Do you think those liberals and progressives can keep up with the times? :lol:

It's all a lot of posturing at this point - since Obama seems to be going to congress now, or at least that's what I heard, it will be interesting to see if he can get congressional approval for any kind of action in Syria - the Tea Partiers will be against it, most being isolationist and against spending money overseas and a fair number of Democrats will be against it plus some moderate Republicans - if Obama makes action conditional on congressional approval, I'm not sure he'll get it.
 
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