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P. Kersey said:
"Social responsibility".
Would that be like a person or a group refraining from bad behavior because it harms society, for instance?
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funny how they want to stereotype and hold ALL white people responsible for the acts of some white people committed 30, 40, 50, 100, 150, 300, 500 years ago, but they piss themselves and scream "racism" if anyone dares stereotype a young black male for the actions of other young black males committed yesterday, the day before, last week, last month, last year.
 
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OscarB63 said:
and? for how many generations must we pay for the sins of someone else's fathers before it is enough?
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Until you stop benefiting from the sins of those fathers. :)
 
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ThePlayDrive said:
Until you stop benefiting from the sins of those fathers. :)
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What's the date on that?
Specifically which "sins"?
When did these "sins" occur?
Can you describe them for me?
How can you tell which people's fathers sinned?
 
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Knowledge=power said:
Why thank you. I know what you are getting at with trusting their judgement, and your opinion about them earning it.
I'll try to rephrase it. I'll start by explaining it better.


Person A) Believed, because you were a different skin color (we will use black and white), that your words and actions and opinions towards them were racist, regardless how how unambigously not racist they may seem to you. You would not have the freedom to speak freely for fear of being called a racist. You would have that sense of guilt which I previously described.

Person B) Simply viewed you as another person and did not jump to conclusions of racism simply because you disagreed with them or pointed out difference in their culture and yours.

Which person would you be more likely to feel racist towards? If you were constantly presented with person A and constantly saw examples of person A in the media, would you begin to feel racist (even though you aren't?) Would you feel guilt even though you should not? Would you feel a sense of racism towards them in return for labeling you a racist?

I hope this clears up my question.
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It does. It sounds as if you are trying to justify your racist attitudes from a position of defensiveness. You are offended that claims of racism, in your opinion abound, but what if it is abundant? I understand this being off-putting but try to look beyond your emotional response to what the reality may be. That would be my suggestion.

What do you have to lose by considering this as reality?

The black community in 2013 is at the pinnacle of their sensitivity to racism.
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Another possibility is that many in the white community are hypersensitive to hearing it.

A lot of progress has been made to gain equality and a lot of people have suffered and sacrificed to gain that progress.
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Agreed

Now that equality has been gained
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Here is where we part ways again. Equality has not been gained. How would you know if it had? Unless you are the oppressed how would you know if oppression has ended?

it is difficult to justify the cries of racism
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It really isn't difficult. Would you like examples?

There is a mentality in the black community that it is 'us against everybody.'
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Some in the black community undoubtedly have this attitude. But why? You can not dismiss context. Environment evolves such attitudes. You really can't justify your position towards the black community by saying it is rooted in experience without giving permission for the same rationale to them.

It has created an enormous amount of guilt for all other races (especially whites). Simply stating obvious cultural difference is now considered 'racist
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There is a difference between guilt and acknowledging your role as a community of people for injustices you have burdened others with and the cultural impact it has made. Obvious cultural differences are a little dangerous. It is pretty subjective stuff.
 
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Hey opendebate..Post 574, please? to clarify a term for me?
 
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OscarB63 said:
and? for how many generations must we pay for the sins of someone else's fathers before it is enough?
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I don't look at it the same way you do. It is not about feeling guilty because of something our ancestors did. I do not feel guilty. that is not what motivates my position. We are a community of people sort of a collective family of humanity. We have family members that are in distress.
 
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opendebate said:
I don't look at it the same way you do. It is not about feeling guilty because of something our ancestors did. I do not feel guilty. that is not what motivates my position. We are a community of people sort of a collective family of humanity. We have family members that are in distress.
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Hey..will you look at #574? I'm unclear on the meaning of the term. Did I get it right? Thanks!
 
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P. Kersey said:
"Social responsibility".
Would that be like a person or a group refraining from bad behavior because it harms society, for instance?
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You seem to continually make the assumption that all responsibility belongs to one person or group. That is not the case. We all have responsibilities to one another. And we all have the same level of responsibilities to the community as a whole. Pointing to yours does not dismiss anyone else.
 
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opendebate said:
You seem to continually make the assumption that all responsibility belongs to one person or group. That is not the case. We all have responsibilities to one another. And we all have the same level of responsibilities to the community as a whole. Pointing to yours does not dismiss anyone else.
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Say what?

I asked if that was an example of social responsibility. Did I get it right?
 
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P. Kersey said:
Say what?

I asked if that was an example of social responsibility. Did I get it right?
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I just know where you are headed. But for the sake of argument I will be more direct. Social responsibility was probably the wrong term, I think that actually pertains to how companies conduct themselves. So lets say Individual Social Responsibility. If you define it the way you present it is too vague. Who defines what is "bad behavior"
 
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opendebate said:
I just know where you are headed.
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You do? Very interesting. Can you tell me how you know? Got next week's lottery numbers by any chance?
opendebate said:
But for the sake of argument I will be more direct. Social responsibility was probably the wrong term, I think that actually pertains to how companies conduct themselves.
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What? I was trying to get a handle on one and now you change the term.

opendebate said:
So lets say Individual Social Responsibility. If you define it the way you present it is too vague.
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I can't define it. You keep changing it.

opendebate said:
Who defines what is "bad behavior"
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I have no idea.
Give me a firm definition of either "social responsibility" or "individual social responsibility".
 
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ThePlayDrive said:
Until you stop benefiting from the sins of those fathers. :)
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how am "I" benefiting from it?
 
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opendebate said:
I don't look at it the same way you do. It is not about feeling guilty because of something our ancestors did. I do not feel guilty. that is not what motivates my position. We are a community of people sort of a collective family of humanity. We have family members that are in distress.
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funny how we only focus on those distressed family members if their skin is the correct color. I am half Creek and none of "you guys" seem to give a **** about "my people" and we were treated much worse than blacks ever were.
 
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OscarB63 said:
funny how we only focus on those distressed family members if their skin is the correct color. I am half Creek and none of "you guys" seem to give a **** about "my people" and we were treated much worse than blacks ever were.
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I care regardless
 
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P. Kersey said:
Post#586, please?
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I feel like you are on the attack. We have been here before. I don't like the way you play the game PK. Sorry.
 
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opendebate said:
I feel like you are on the attack. We have been here before. I don't like the way you play the game PK. Sorry.
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geeminy christmas...you use a term I'm unfamiliar with, I ask for clarification, you tell me you can read my mind and that wasn't the word you meant anyway and then use another term and ask ME for the definition. I politely ask you to settle on one term or the other and define it for me...and this is your reply?

All due respect, but why use terms you can't define in the first place?..and how in the world is asking for clarification "attacking"?
 
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P. Kersey said:
geeminy christmas...you use a term I'm unfamiliar with, I ask for clarification, you tell me you can read my mind and that wasn't the word you meant anyway and then use another term and ask ME for the definition. I politely ask you to settle on one term or the other and define it for me...and this is your reply?

All due respect, but why use terms you can't define in the first place?..and how in the world is asking for clarification "attacking"?
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Way too much hatefulness and negativity goes on here and life is just too short.

Why are you pressing it? What are you getting at then
 
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opendebate said:
Way too much hatefulness and negativity goes on here and life is just too short.

Why are you pressing it? What are you getting at then
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I'm "pressing"? Because I ask you to clarify a term you used that I don't understand?
Let me review our conversation, then and see where I went wrong if I can.

opendebate said:
guilt and social responsibility are not the same thing
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P.Kersey said:
"Social responsibility".
Would that be like a person or a group refraining from bad behavior because it harms society, for instance?
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opendebate said:
You seem to continually make the assumption that all responsibility belongs to one person or group. That is not the case. We all have responsibilities to one another. And we all have the same level of responsibilities to the community as a whole. Pointing to yours does not dismiss anyone else.
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kersey said:
Say what?

I asked if that was an example of social responsibility. Did I get it right?
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opendebate said:
I just know where you are headed.
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kersey said:
You do? Very interesting. Can you tell me how you know? Got next week's lottery numbers by any chance?
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opendebate said:
But for the sake of argument I will be more direct. Social responsibility was probably the wrong term, I think that actually pertains to how companies conduct themselves.
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kersey said:
What? I was trying to get a handle on one and now you change the term.
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opendebate said:
So lets say Individual Social Responsibility. If you define it the way you present it is too vague.
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kersey said:
I can't define it. You keep changing it.
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opendebate said:
Who defines what is "bad behavior"
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kersey said:
I have no idea.
Give me a firm definition of either "social responsibility" or "individual social responsibility".
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opendebate said:
I feel like you are on the attack. We have been here before. I don't like the way you play the game PK. Sorry.
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kersey said:
geeminy christmas...you use a term I'm unfamiliar with, I ask for clarification, you tell me you can read my mind and that wasn't the word you meant anyway and then use another term and ask ME for the definition. I politely ask you to settle on one term or the other and define it for me...and this is your reply?

All due respect, but why use terms you can't define in the first place?..and how in the world is asking for clarification "attacking"?
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..etc...
I looked this over carefully and can not understand you current position..I see no attacks, nothing rude or derisive..all polite, normal conversation..Note the one part I bolded...I disagree that you're being direct. I think you're being obtuse...but I might be wrong.

and this is in chronological order with NO EDITING..our entire conversation for everyone to see.

Now..would you be kind enough to define either "social responsibility" OR "individual social responsibility" in definite terms?
 
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P. Kersey said:
I'm "pressing"? Because I ask you to clarify a term you used that I don't understand?
Let me review our conversation, then and see where I went wrong if I can.

..etc...
I looked this over carefully and can not understand you current position..I see no attacks, nothing rude or derisive..all polite, normal conversation..Note the one part I bolded...I disagree that you're being direct. I think you're being obtuse...but I might be wrong.

and this is in chronological order with NO EDITING..our entire conversation for everyone to see.

Now..would you be kind enough to define either "social responsibility" OR "individual social responsibility" in definite terms?
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Once again, what is your greater point please. What are you getting at.
 
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Juanita said:
Wow... Well at least there is one left, but I was always partial to harness racing and spent many a trifecta down Cicero way..I don't remember ever winning tho...:)
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OT: Nice avatar! Love FFX.
 
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opendebate said:
Once again, what is your greater point please. What are you getting at.
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hahahahahaha..nice..lmao...

It's all right up there in the previous post. It's above the part you just quoted..See it?

I'll type very slowly this time...

You introduced a term to our conversation "social responsibility".

I asked you to give me the definition.

You couldn't decide and instead you introduced another term "individual social responsibility".

I asked you to give me the definition of your new term.

The whole conversation has ground to a halt while we run around in circles playing word games..

You still remember the terms we're talking about, right? "social responsibility" and "individual social responsibility"

Can you define them for me?

If you can I'd like you to proceed.

If you can't, I assure you, we'll all be able to tell. LMAO...
 
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P. Kersey said:
hahahahahaha..nice..lmao...

It's all right up there in the previous post. It's above the part you just quoted..See it?

I'll type very slowly this time...

You introduced a term to our conversation "social responsibility".

I asked you to give me the definition.

You couldn't decide and instead you introduced another term "individual social responsibility".

I asked you to give me the definition of your new term.

The whole conversation has ground to a halt while we run around in circles playing word games..

You still remember the terms we're talking about, right? "social responsibility" and "individual social responsibility"

Can you define them for me?

If you can I'd like you to proceed.

If you can't, I assure you, we'll all be able to tell. LMAO...
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See, this is what I am talking about. Are you 12?
 
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opendebate said:
See, this is what I am talking about. Are you 12?
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Really? You're asking him that?

You never answer direct questions. You refuse to, and then you try to turn it around on whomever's asking you.

People get to ask you to support what you say, and to define a term if it's unclear. That's not "attacking" you, that's debate. If you don't want to debate, why are you here?
 
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