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Wild Wing Cafe Kicks Out 25 African Americans After White Customer Felt 'Threa[W:423]

Re: Wild Wing Cafe Kicks Out 25 African Americans After White Customer Felt 'Threaten

There was nothing here to indicate that they were making a scene or disturbing the peace. Even the restaurant doesn't claim that....so sorry....fail.

Is it something the restaurant even commented on? From what i recall of the apology it apologized for them not having "the experience they expected".

But I'm still lost on why you would consider a PR oriented response as being indicative of the facts
 
Re: Wild Wing Cafe Kicks Out 25 African Americans After White Customer Felt 'Threaten

You don't understand the 14th amendment or it's purpose. It has nothing to do with a business refusing service.

LOL....now that's funny. I got A's in both Conlaw 1 and Conlaw 2 in law school......I think you need to educate yourself a little before you try to school others.
 
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There was nothing here to indicate that they were making a scene or disturbing the peace. Even the restaurant doesn't claim that....so sorry....fail.

Yes, they were causing a scene, it offended patrons and they were asked to leave, end of story. Besides, there are plenty of rib and fried chicken joints they could go to.
 
Re: Wild Wing Cafe Kicks Out 25 African Americans After White Customer Felt 'Threaten

What is a "Gyn free zone"?

"Gun" free zone. I didn't correct it, because I thought you would be smart enough to figure it out. Guess not.
 
Re: Wild Wing Cafe Kicks Out 25 African Americans After White Customer Felt 'Threaten

LOL....now that's funny. I got A's in both Conlaw 1 and Conlaw 2 in law school......I think you need to educate yourself a little before you try to school others.

Yes..like the president, great constitutional "scholar" that he claims to be..LMFAO.. who thinks the constitution was written 2000 years ago..



but if obama said it, it must be true, right? hahahaha..too damned funny.

Do you agree with him that there are 57 states, too?





Son, the 14th amendment does not prohibit a business from refusing to serve a customer. You need to get your tuition money back.
 
Re: Wild Wing Cafe Kicks Out 25 African Americans After White Customer Felt 'Threaten

Yeah, Hawthorne's gone. Arlington Park's still here though. It's owned by Churchill Downs. Who knew?



Wow... Well at least there is one left, but I was always partial to harness racing and spent many a trifecta down Cicero way..I don't remember ever winning tho...:)
 
Re: Wild Wing Cafe Kicks Out 25 African Americans After White Customer Felt 'Threaten

No, it really doesn't. being that the restaurant, or any business, isn't interested in pursuing truth in such incidents, as opposed to handling them in a manner that will create the least friction among the public.

Is that why the corporate office ignored their complaints for weeks? To create the least friction?
 
Re: Wild Wing Cafe Kicks Out 25 African Americans After White Customer Felt 'Threaten

Is that why the corporate office ignored their complaints for weeks? To create the least friction?

No, they likely ignored it because they saw the complaint as insignificant at the time. Clearly there is a difference in the potential damage one customer complaint can create and and if that complaint goes viral and gains national attention.


Was that something you were honestly confused about?
 
Re: Wild Wing Cafe Kicks Out 25 African Americans After White Customer Felt 'Threaten

No, they likely ignored it because they saw the complaint as insignificant at the time.

25 loyal customers complain, accuse their franchise of racism, and they see it as insignificant?

At what point does a long line of "innocent" mistakes begin to look like something more than innocent mistakes in your world?

Clearly there is a difference in the potential damage one customer complaint can create and and if that complaint goes viral and gains national attention.


Was that something you were honestly confused about?

Yes. I have difficulty understanding how so many people can be so dense at the same time.
 
Re: Wild Wing Cafe Kicks Out 25 African Americans After White Customer Felt 'Threaten

25 loyal customers complain, accuse their franchise of racism, and they see it as insignificant?

actually one guy filed a complaint according to the article and he didn't state if he reported it as an incident of discrimination or not. And yes, such is rather insignificant considering the number of people they serve everyday

At what point does a long line of "innocent" mistakes begin to look like something more than innocent mistakes in your world?

you are aware one of the principle owners is an African-american community leader?
 
Re: Wild Wing Cafe Kicks Out 25 African Americans After White Customer Felt 'Threaten

actually one guy filed a complaint according to the article and he didn't state if he reported it as an incident of discrimination or not. And yes, such is rather insignificant considering the number of people they serve everyday

Actually, one guy reported how he and 24 others were treated badly by the restaurant.

And no, 25 customers is never considered insignificant.

you are aware one of the principle owners is an African-american community leader?

Yes, and?
 
Re: Wild Wing Cafe Kicks Out 25 African Americans After White Customer Felt 'Threaten

Son, the 14th amendment does not prohibit a business from refusing to serve a customer. You need to get your tuition money back.

LOL....dude....why do you think we don't have "White only lunch counters" any more? You might wanna see if the seniors center offer a basic conlaw course. At least something that will give you enough understanding to come to sites like this.

A good place to start would be to start looking at some of these recent florist cases where florists are refusing to provide service to gay weddings. They are being struck down right and left based on equal protection...oh...but ...oops....guess the courts are wrong and you are right, correct? DOH!
 
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LOL....dude....why do you think we don't have "White only lunch counters" any more? You might wanna see if the seniors center offer a basic conlaw course. At least something that will give you enough understanding to come to sites like this.

A good place to start would be to start looking at some of these recent florist cases where florists are refusing to provide service to gay weddings. They are being struck down right and left based on equal protection...oh...but ...oops....guess the courts are wrong and you are right, correct? DOH!


christalmighty..and you're a lawyer?
You need to get your tuition money back...dude... :roll:
First of all the case you're referring was regarding photographers, not florists...second, it was New Mexico and the decision was from the supreme court of new mexico...and had nothing to do with the 14th amendment.
Here's the ruling, counselor LMAO.

When Elane Photography refused to work for Vanessa Willock at her same-sex wedding, the Court said, it violated the New Mexico Human Rights Act, which prohibits discrimination in public accommodations based upon sexual orientation.

"First, we conclude that a commercial photography business that offers its services to the public, thereby increasing its visibility to potential clients, is subject to the antidiscrimination provisions of the NMHRA and must serve same-sex couples on the same basis that it serves opposite-sex couples," Justice Edward Chavez wrote for the majority.

arguably, it violates the photographer's rights of freedom of religion as they don't believe in same sex marriages.

"Elane Photography is not protected by their rights to freely exercise their religion, which are protected by the U.S. Constitution, because the NMHRA is a "neutral law of general applicability," the Court said."


It has nothing to do with the 14th amendment. That argument was never made..because they are REAL lawyers and know the judge would laugh them out of court..and maybe sanction them for wasting the court's time... Mr. "constitutional scholar" LMFAO.

Then there's numerous disabled ex soldiers who have been kicked out of restaurants with their service dogs.
Here's one;

Virginia restaurant refuses service to wounded vet with service dog | Fox News

another one;

Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog



etc..etc...
You don't understand the purpose of the 14th amendment and I see what you're trying to do here. You're trying to be "clever" and purposely cloud the issue by trying to make it a civil rights issue about negroes.

Any business can refuse to serve anyone at any time on an individual basis.

Drunks can be refused service in a bar...or anywhere they go because they're....drunk...
Disorderly people can be refused service ANYWHERE, ANY TIME if the owner chooses...which is what we're talking about here...counselor

EDIT

I take that back...You clearly can't be a lawyer..no real lawyer addresses people as "dude"..and no real lawyer ends a sentence with "doh"..
 
Re: Wild Wing Cafe Kicks Out 25 African Americans After White Customer Felt 'Threaten

Yes, they were causing a scene, it offended patrons and they were asked to leave, end of story. Besides, there are plenty of rib and fried chicken joints they could go to.


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christalmighty..and you're a lawyer?
You need to get your tuition money back...dude... :roll:
First of all the case you're referring was regarding photographers, not florists...second, it was New Mexico and the decision was from the supreme court of new mexico...and had nothing to do with the 14th amendment.
Here's the ruling, counselor LMAO.

When Elane Photography refused to work for Vanessa Willock at her same-sex wedding, the Court said, it violated the New Mexico Human Rights Act, which prohibits discrimination in public accommodations based upon sexual orientation.

"First, we conclude that a commercial photography business that offers its services to the public, thereby increasing its visibility to potential clients, is subject to the antidiscrimination provisions of the NMHRA and must serve same-sex couples on the same basis that it serves opposite-sex couples," Justice Edward Chavez wrote for the majority.

arguably, it violates the photographer's rights of freedom of religion as they don't believe in same sex marriages.

"Elane Photography is not protected by their rights to freely exercise their religion, which are protected by the U.S. Constitution, because the NMHRA is a "neutral law of general applicability," the Court said."


It has nothing to do with the 14th amendment. That argument was never made..because they are REAL lawyers and know the judge would laugh them out of court..and maybe sanction them for wasting the court's time... Mr. "constitutional scholar" LMFAO.

Then there's numerous disabled ex soldiers who have been kicked out of restaurants with their service dogs.
Here's one;

Virginia restaurant refuses service to wounded vet with service dog | Fox News

another one;

Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog



etc..etc...
You don't understand the purpose of the 14th amendment and I see what you're trying to do here. You're trying to be "clever" and purposely cloud the issue by trying to make it a civil rights issue about negroes.

Any business can refuse to serve anyone at any time on an individual basis.

Drunks can be refused service in a bar...or anywhere they go because they're....drunk...
Disorderly people can be refused service ANYWHERE, ANY TIME if the owner chooses...which is what we're talking about here...counselor

EDIT

I take that back...You clearly can't be a lawyer..no real lawyer addresses people as "dude"..and no real lawyer ends a sentence with "doh"..

You are just plain and simply wrong and out of touch with reality. There are numerous florist cases as well as photography cases. The scary thing about people such as yourself is that you honestly seem to believe that you know what you are talking about when you very clearly don't. The foundation of the civil rights legislation is rooted in equal protection and the Constitutional guarantees that require states to ensure that those rights are protected...be it through governmental action or governmental regulation of private businesses. But...I don't know why I'm wasting my time trying to educate you on the subject because you seem to believe that you already know the answers and I will never be able to convince someone of your ilk that you are simply wrong. Sorry dude.
 
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You are just plain and simply wrong and out of touch with reality. There are numerous florist cases as well as photography cases. The scary thing about people such as yourself is that you honestly seem to believe that you know what you are talking about when you very clearly don't. The foundation of the civil rights legislation is rooted in equal protection and the Constitutional guarantees that require states to ensure that those rights are protected...be it through governmental action or governmental regulation of private businesses. But...I don't know why I'm wasting my time trying to educate you on the subject because you seem to believe that you already know the answers and I will never be able to convince someone of your ilk that you are simply wrong. Sorry dude.

You're the expert, yet you bring no support. You're being obtuse. Let me ask you..you claim to have gone through law school..did you take/pass the bar and are you practicing, dude?
I made it plain what I was saying. Businesses can refuse service for almost any reason (or no reason) with exceptions. . We aren't talking civil rights law and you know it, counselor

The Federal Civil Rights Act guarantees all people the right to "full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, without discrimination or segregation on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin."

The right of public accommodation is also guaranteed to disabled citizens under the Americans with Disabilities Act, which precludes discrimination by businesses on the basis of disability.

In cases in which the patron is not a member of a federally protected class, the question generally turns on whether the business's refusal of service was arbitrary, or whether the business had a specific interest in refusing service. For example, in a recent case, a California court decided that a motorcycle club had no discrimination claim against a sports bar that had denied members admission to the bar because they refused to remove their "colors," or patches, which signified club membership. The court held that the refusal of service was not based on the club members' unconventional dress, but was to protect a legitimate business interest in preventing fights between rival club members.



Those exceptions at the federal level are race, religion, gender, national origin, and disability/perceived disability (refusing service based on sexual preference does not violate any federal law).
Some states have laws covering all these categories plus sexual preference, and some also include transgendered persons and transsexuals..

There is a narrow exception allowing legalized discrimination when the business has a bona fide business-related reason.

ok dude?
 
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You're the expert, yet you bring no support. You're being obtuse. Let me ask you..you claim to have gone through law school..did you take/pass the bar and are you practicing, dude?
I made it plain what I was saying. Businesses can refuse service for almost any reason (or no reason) with exceptions. . We aren't talking civil rights law and you know it, counselor

The Federal Civil Rights Act guarantees all people the right to "full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, without discrimination or segregation on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin."

The right of public accommodation is also guaranteed to disabled citizens under the Americans with Disabilities Act, which precludes discrimination by businesses on the basis of disability.

In cases in which the patron is not a member of a federally protected class, the question generally turns on whether the business's refusal of service was arbitrary, or whether the business had a specific interest in refusing service. For example, in a recent case, a California court decided that a motorcycle club had no discrimination claim against a sports bar that had denied members admission to the bar because they refused to remove their "colors," or patches, which signified club membership. The court held that the refusal of service was not based on the club members' unconventional dress, but was to protect a legitimate business interest in preventing fights between rival club members.



Those exceptions at the federal level are race, religion, gender, national origin, and disability/perceived disability (refusing service based on sexual preference does not violate any federal law).
Some states have laws covering all these categories plus sexual preference, and some also include transgendered persons and transsexuals..

There is a narrow exception allowing legalized discrimination when the business has a bona fide business-related reason.

ok dude?

you have ignored that some of that party of 25 allege they were discriminated against because of their color/race/ethnicity
 
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you have ignored that some of that party of 25 allege they were discriminated against because of their color/race/ethnicity

Link proving that just because they were black they had to leave.

Yes..they were black...but prove to me that is the ONLY reason they were asked to go.
 
Re: Wild Wing Cafe Kicks Out 25 African Americans After White Customer Felt 'Threaten

You're the expert, yet you bring no support. You're being obtuse. Let me ask you..you claim to have gone through law school..did you take/pass the bar and are you practicing, dude?
I made it plain what I was saying. Businesses can refuse service for almost any reason (or no reason) with exceptions. . We aren't talking civil rights law and you know it, counselor

The Federal Civil Rights Act guarantees all people the right to "full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, without discrimination or segregation on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin."

The right of public accommodation is also guaranteed to disabled citizens under the Americans with Disabilities Act, which precludes discrimination by businesses on the basis of disability.

In cases in which the patron is not a member of a federally protected class, the question generally turns on whether the business's refusal of service was arbitrary, or whether the business had a specific interest in refusing service. For example, in a recent case, a California court decided that a motorcycle club had no discrimination claim against a sports bar that had denied members admission to the bar because they refused to remove their "colors," or patches, which signified club membership. The court held that the refusal of service was not based on the club members' unconventional dress, but was to protect a legitimate business interest in preventing fights between rival club members.



Those exceptions at the federal level are race, religion, gender, national origin, and disability/perceived disability (refusing service based on sexual preference does not violate any federal law).
Some states have laws covering all these categories plus sexual preference, and some also include transgendered persons and transsexuals..

There is a narrow exception allowing legalized discrimination when the business has a bona fide business-related reason.

ok dude?

Well....at least you have some of the lingo correct but you are failing to make the connections. Oh and yes....I have been a practicing lawyer for almost 20 years.
 
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you have ignored that some of that party of 25 allege they were discriminated against because of their color/race/ethnicity

Bingo. For a minute I thought I was the only one seeing that he wasn't making the connection.
 
Re: Wild Wing Cafe Kicks Out 25 African Americans After White Customer Felt 'Threaten

Bingo. For a minute I thought I was the only one seeing that he wasn't making the connection.

he was too busy, cutting and pasting, to actually put thought into the response
otherwise, he could not have missed something so fundamental to the discussion
figured he was lost in the woods when he contested the protection for all doctrine
 
Re: Wild Wing Cafe Kicks Out 25 African Americans After White Customer Felt 'Threaten

That is a stereotypical kind of reaction as to "angry black mobs". I would assume that most African Americans would not react with near rioting after being asked to leave. Especially not on a celebratory evening.

Well any group of people of any race would be pretty pissed if they got kicked out for being said race. I don't suspect they would just go quietly. Black people tend to be hypersensitive to this sort of thing though, which is why they probably have a greater propensity for outrage if this truly happened.
 
Re: Wild Wing Cafe Kicks Out 25 African Americans After White Customer Felt 'Threaten

Well....at least you have some of the lingo correct but you are failing to make the connections. Oh and yes....I have been a practicing lawyer for almost 20 years.

Then you should know the wedding photography case you alluded to was decided under a state law and has no importance outside of that state.
 
Re: Wild Wing Cafe Kicks Out 25 African Americans After White Customer Felt 'Threaten

Not here for this racism.

I think if you saw real racism you wouldn't know what to do with yourself.
 
Re: Wild Wing Cafe Kicks Out 25 African Americans After White Customer Felt 'Threaten

:shock:

I missed that post, but I went back and found it:



Yeah, go back to Stormfront.

They kicked me out....

Seriously though, get a sense of humor.
 
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