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Tom Coburn: Obama 'Getting Perilously Close' To Standard For Impeachment

The "People" demanded a fraud promising nonsense be made President, twice. Now they need to lap up every fetid bite of what they've done, take responsibility and move forward.

Barak Obama is behaving pretty much as he said he would at the level of incompetence anyone with good sense should have expected.

If the republic is to survive, people need to learn that wishful thinking is the cyanide of politics.
 
rocket88 said:
God, even this has to get tarded up with race....
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Don't blame us, look in the Oval Office at the man that made race the primary issue in this country. He's wanted to pick that fight since he was in Illinois, and now he's got center stage. The community organizer finally got to make race a presidential issue. So don't even ****ing blame us. You voted for him, you own it.
 
"Those are serious things, but we’re in a serious time," Coburn continued. "I don’t have the legal background to know if that rises to high crimes and misdemeanor, but I think they’re getting perilously close.”
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:lamo
 
American said:
Don't blame us, look in the Oval Office at the man that made race the primary issue in this country.
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Was that the platform Obama ran for the presidency on? Race?
 
babilfish said:
Was that the platform Obama ran for the presidency on? Race?
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In part yes....Obama makes everything he can't do, or effect about race, either his, or the so called victim's....Remember his good friend "Skip" Gates in Boston? The police "acted stupidly"? But even further back, Obama as a Senator running for the Presidency in 2008 gave this long, flowing, heavy in rhetoric speech from Philly that was touted as some sort of landmark, when in truth he only gave it because he was under heavy pressure from his affiliations with racists like the Rev. Wright....

Then you have through out his Presidency he, and his supporters have made every failure about race. And Obama fully supports that...Remember the speeches during his campaign?

"I don't look like every other President!"

"My name is kind of funny!"

"They (republicans) don't want a black man in the Presidency!"

He (Obama) is a punk! period...He hides behind race for his failures, and uses that divisive issue for political purposes, and it is a dangerous game he is playing....Everything from the TM case, to "Skip" Gates, to liberal progressives using race as an Alinsky method of silencing debate or criticism, is being used today, and it's in your face.

So, what doesn't Obama, and his supporters use race for? I can't think of anything.
 
Jack Hays said:
". . . continues . . ." Indeed. As I said, no enforcement. The work requirement is gone.:peace
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Ahh, I see your plan now. Even in the face of facts which definitively prove you wrong, you choose to continue with your baseless lies. Got it.

Jack Hays said:
And you believe the POTUS has the authority to just waive it rather than rewriting the law?:peace
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The HHS does, as the link I sent you before clearly states.

ttwtt78640 said:
The executive branch does not write the law. Simply because Obama is too lazy, or lacks legislative support, does not not relieve him of the need to enforce the law as written and funded by congress.
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The law grants HHS the ability to do this. It is very clearly noted.

TANF-ACF-IM-2012-03 (Guidance concerning waiver and expenditure authority under Section 1115) | Office of Family Assistance | Administration for Children and Families

And here's the Social Security Act which grants them this power.

Social Security Act §1115
Jack Hays said:
The "why" is irrelevant. The question is whether BHO acted beyond his authority; why he did it doesn't matter.
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And the answer is no. Legislation written by Congress gives the "Obama Administration" the power to allow states to pursue experimental projects which promote the general goals of the legislation.


Jack Hays said:
Seems to me that setting aside an important federal statute is a little different. To say that "laws don't have to be enforced" is to say that we're no longer a nation of laws.
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Luckily for you, the law said they could. So you can rest easily tonight.

ttwtt78640 said:
:lol: :doh Have you suddenly become senile? Read the post(s) to which I replied - they were not discussing UHC, your favorite diversion, but Obama waiving the work requirement law for welfare.
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But he didn't, and neither did the Obama administration.

Jack Hays said:
I believe the legality is the point of the debate. We live under a lawless regime.
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No, truth is the point of the debate, and you refuse to acknowledge the truth.
 
Slyfox696 said:
Ahh, I see your plan now. Even in the face of facts which definitively prove you wrong, you choose to continue with your baseless lies. Got it.

The HHS does, as the link I sent you before clearly states.

The law grants HHS the ability to do this. It is very clearly noted.

TANF-ACF-IM-2012-03 (Guidance concerning waiver and expenditure authority under Section 1115) | Office of Family Assistance | Administration for Children and Families

And here's the Social Security Act which grants them this power.

Social Security Act §1115
And the answer is no. Legislation written by Congress gives the "Obama Administration" the power to allow states to pursue experimental projects which promote the general goals of the legislation.



Luckily for you, the law said they could. So you can rest easily tonight.


But he didn't, and neither did the Obama administration.

No, truth is the point of the debate, and you refuse to acknowledge the truth.
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So, these "demonstration projects" are evaluated how, when and by who? Have we, in fact, seen a reduction in the out of wedlock childbirth rate, an increase in two parent households or people being able to leave the TANF program in shorter periods of time and with less federal spending by those in states/areas based on implementation of these "demonstration projects"?
 
The truth is that we don't follow the Constitution anymore.
 
reinoe said:
Like when the Republican Governor of Nebraska asked Obama to delay authorizing the Keystone Pipeline.

People with ODS blamed Obama for doing what the governor asked the, and now they're blaming Obama for this too.
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That may well be the case, but republicans often argue to let states have more of a say. . . . unless of course the president is a democrat.

:coffeepap
 
ttwtt78640 said:
So, these "demonstration projects" are evaluated how, when and by who?
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The HHS (the Secretary, technically...but you know how that goes), and I would assume the how and when is determined when a plan is submitted and improved.

Have we, in fact, seen a reduction in the out of wedlock childbirth rate, an increase in two parent households or people being able to leave the TANF program in shorter periods of time and with less federal spending by those in states/areas based on implementation of these "demonstration projects"?
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As of March of this year, no state had even applied for the waiver. So, even if a waiver had been applied and granted since then, it'd be too early to determine.

In a statement, the White House said that flexibility for the plan was requested by governors of both political parties to allow states to test ways to potentially make the program more effective.


“Ultimately, no States formally applied for State waivers, deterred in part by inaccurate claims about what the policy involves; therefore, the limiting provision would have no practical effect on any pending application,” the statement said.
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House bars state welfare work waivers - Washington Times
 
j-mac said:
The truth is that we don't follow the Constitution anymore.
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Actually, some use it as a guideline for what NOT to do... which if current events are any indicator, is what they've been teaching in Harvard Law for the past few decades.
 
Boo Radley said:
That may well be the case, but republicans often argue to let states have more of a say. . . . unless of course the president is a democrat.

:coffeepap
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Playing the victim eh? :coffeepap:
 
EdwinWillers said:
Actually, some use it as a guideline for what NOT to do... which if current events are any indicator, is what they've been teaching in Harvard Law for the past few decades.
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Well, Obama does view the constitution as a charter of negative liberties....
 
Boo Radley said:
That's not what they said. They said Obama should have allowed congress the opportunity to weigh in. That's not exactly the same as illegal or lawless.
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No. GAO said the administration could not proceed without Congressional approval. In other words, to proceed without Congressional approval is illegal.

"In early September the agency issued a report that stated the waivers the administration had announced could not be accomplished unilaterally and needed, instead, to be submitted to Congress for approval.":peace
 
Slyfox696 said:
Ahh, I see your plan now. Even in the face of facts which definitively prove you wrong, you choose to continue with your baseless lies. Got it.

The HHS does, as the link I sent you before clearly states.

The law grants HHS the ability to do this. It is very clearly noted.

TANF-ACF-IM-2012-03 (Guidance concerning waiver and expenditure authority under Section 1115) | Office of Family Assistance | Administration for Children and Families

And here's the Social Security Act which grants them this power.

Social Security Act §1115
And the answer is no. Legislation written by Congress gives the "Obama Administration" the power to allow states to pursue experimental projects which promote the general goals of the legislation.



Luckily for you, the law said they could. So you can rest easily tonight.


But he didn't, and neither did the Obama administration.

No, truth is the point of the debate, and you refuse to acknowledge the truth.
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Sorry you wasted so much time on a lost cause. Game, set, match.

The Truth About Barack Obama, Mitt Romney, and Welfare Reform ...

US News & World Report | News & Rankings | Best Colleges, Best Hospitals, and more › Opinion › Peter Roff‎
Sep 24, 2012 - President Obama does not have the authority to remove the work requirement from welfare.

The Government Accountability Office, an independent federal agency, has weighed in on the side of the GOP—at least as far as Obama's authority to waive the tough work requirements that are the cornerstone of the new law is concerned.
In early September the agency issued a report that stated the waivers the administration had announced could not be accomplished unilaterally and needed, instead, to be submitted to Congress for approval.:peace
 
Jack Hays said:
No. GAO said the administration could not proceed without Congressional approval. In other words, to proceed without Congressional approval is illegal.

"In early September the agency issued a report that stated the waivers the administration had announced could not be accomplished unilaterally and needed, instead, to be submitted to Congress for approval.":peace
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That not what I read. Do you have their statement first hand?
 
Boo Radley said:
That not what I read. Do you have their statement first hand?
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If you doubt the veracity of the USN&WR story then by all means go to the GAO report. You have as much access to it as I do. As far as I'm concerned, the matter is closed.:peace
 
Jack Hays said:
If you doubt the veracity of the USN&WR story then by all means go to the GAO report. You have as much access to it as I do. As far as I'm concerned, the matter is closed.:peace
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I assumed you had the link.
 
Jack Hays said:
If you doubt the veracity of the USN&WR story then by all means go to the GAO report. You have as much access to it as I do. As far as I'm concerned, the matter is closed.:peace
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In its July 12, 2012, Information Memorandum, HHS notified states of HHS' willingness to exercise its waiver authority under section 1115 of the Social Security Act. Under section 1115, HHS has the authority to waive compliance with the requirements of section 402 in the case of experimental, pilot, or demonstration projects which the Secretary determines are likely to assist in promoting the objectives of TANF. In its Information Memorandum, HHS asserted that it has the authority to waive the requirement in section 402(a)(1)(A)(iii) and authorize states to "test approaches and methods other than those set forth in section 407," including definitions of work activities and the calculation of participation rates. HHS informed states that it would use this waiver authority to allow states to test various strategies, policies, and procedures designed to improve employment outcomes for needy families. The Information Memorandum sets forth requirements that must be met for a waiver request to be considered by HHS, including an evaluation plan, a set of performance measures that states will track to monitor ongoing performance and outcomes, and a budget including the costs of program evaluation. In addition, the Information Memorandum provides that states must seek public input on the proposal prior to approval by HHS.

U.S. GAO - Worker and Family Assistance: Waivers Related to the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families Block Grant
 
Jack Hays said:
If you doubt the veracity of the USN&WR story then by all means go to the GAO report. You have as much access to it as I do. As far as I'm concerned, the matter is closed.:peace
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Of course, you what just occurred to me: there haven't been any waivers.
 
Boo Radley said:
In its July 12, 2012, Information Memorandum, HHS notified states of HHS' willingness to exercise its waiver authority under section 1115 of the Social Security Act. Under section 1115, HHS has the authority to waive compliance with the requirements of section 402 in the case of experimental, pilot, or demonstration projects which the Secretary determines are likely to assist in promoting the objectives of TANF. In its Information Memorandum, HHS asserted that it has the authority to waive the requirement in section 402(a)(1)(A)(iii) and authorize states to "test approaches and methods other than those set forth in section 407," including definitions of work activities and the calculation of participation rates. HHS informed states that it would use this waiver authority to allow states to test various strategies, policies, and procedures designed to improve employment outcomes for needy families. The Information Memorandum sets forth requirements that must be met for a waiver request to be considered by HHS, including an evaluation plan, a set of performance measures that states will track to monitor ongoing performance and outcomes, and a budget including the costs of program evaluation. In addition, the Information Memorandum provides that states must seek public input on the proposal prior to approval by HHS.

U.S. GAO - Worker and Family Assistance: Waivers Related to the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families Block Grant
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Yes. That July memorandum is what GAO determined in September was illegal.
 
Jack Hays said:
Yes. That July memorandum is what GAO determined in September was illegal.
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That's not exactly what it says. It says it has to be done under certain conditions.

Tell what waivers have been granted as I failed to find any.
 
Boo Radley said:
That's not exactly what it says. It says it has to be done under certain conditions.

Tell what waivers have been granted as I failed to find any.
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You think the report linked in your post is the one related to the USN&WR column?
 
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