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Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic [W:212]

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First of all, self fulfilling studies usually achieve the results one is looking for, I am not sure that this has happened here but as I am not a genetics expert I am in no position to see if this study would stand up to peer review.

Secondly, not genetic does not mean that it is not natural or that people are not born that way.

There is no gay gene

This study further proves that. If homosexuality is psychological (and it is) it can be cured.
 
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There is no homosexual instinct in animals. I didn't realize liberals were so anti science.

I knew someone would bring up the gay penguins. You realize that they are now ex-gay penguins right?

SF Zoo's Same Sex Penguin Couple Splits Up | www.ktvu.com

So if we're going to use "gay animals" as evidence that homosexuality is "natural" then we can conclude that homosexuality can be "cured". Not only that, since we're using irrational animal behavior to justify human morality now is cannibalism a moral and civil right now too? After all, animals eat their young and engage in cannibalism.



No it doesn't. Animals aren't mounting other animals because of human feelings and motivations. Animals react irrationally to outside stimuli. There is no homosexual instinct in animals.

It is impossible to accurately determine motications among animals since they do not speak. What is known is that homosexual behavior is seen among animal species. Whether there is an instict or not is entirely unkown, so stating there is "no homosexual instict" would be anti-science. Furthermore, the idea that animals are cured of homosexuality is just painfully stupid and shows a complete lack of understanding of the topic. If you are going to try and correct people, at least try and get it remotely right.
 
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SO, since you are now separating "natural" and "caused by humankind" into two separate categories we can throw out your argument that homosexuality exists in nature so therefor it is "natural" in humans. You can't have it both ways.

Wrong....it's natural because it exists outside of human influence. If you make two male dogs **** then that's human influenced homosexuality and that specific act would be unnatural.
 
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There is no gay gene

This study further proves that. If homosexuality is psychological (and it is) it can be cured.

There is no gay gene.

Your belief that such a gene exists is pure religious dogma. This study even hammers that point home even harder. Identical twins have identical DNA. If there was a gay gene there would consistent data to show that was a possibility. The scientific data and evidence point to the exact opposite however.

Male/female coupling is natural. It has specific social and biological purposes. It's propagates the species. Homosexuality is abnormal. Occurs in less than 5% (less than 2% most likely) and is associated with psychological abnormalities in humans. Homosexuality was classified as a mental disorder in the DSM criteria until it was removed for political purposes. Animals engage in those types of irrational homosexual behaviors because of dominance and conflicting and confusing outside stimuli.

You don't read much do you? There have been no studies which show all Identical Twins have identical DNA. Why? Because up until fairly recently the presumption was that since identical twins start from the same zygote, they MUST have identical DNA. The problem with that was epigentics could not account for all the differences in some identical twin genetic samples.

Then a study did occcur which proved that identical twins do not all leave the womb with identical DNA. It was announced in November 2012. I posted it in an earlier response in another thread. Here's the link just for you, again.

Identical Twins Differ Genetically | LiveScience

This 2012 study shows that somatic and other gene mutations occur at a very high rate, demonstrating that identical twins often have different genetic structures.

Now this doesn't prove there IS a "gay gene," but it refutes the claim identical twins have identical DNA so if one is gay and the other is not, it must be a choice. Therefore it opens the possibility that a gay gene could exist.
 
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Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

There is no gay gene.

Your belief that such a gene exists is pure religious dogma. This study even hammers that point home even harder. Identical twins have identical DNA. If there was a gay gene there would consistent data to show that was a possibility. The scientific data and evidence point to the exact opposite however.

Male/female coupling is natural. It has specific social and biological purposes. It's propagates the species. Homosexuality is abnormal. Occurs in less than 5% (less than 2% most likely) and is associated with psychological abnormalities in humans. Homosexuality was classified as a mental disorder in the DSM criteria until it was removed for political purposes. Animals engage in those types of irrational homosexual behaviors because of dominance and conflicting and confusing outside stimuli.

There is no gay gene

This study further proves that. If homosexuality is psychological (and it is) it can be cured.

There is no known gay gene. That does not mean there is no gay gene. Your failure to understand genetics is painful(hint: look up the difference between genotype and phenotype for example). By the way, your claimed numbers for homosexuality rates is lower than the rate mentioned in the linked article for twins. Just something to think about.

By your definition, hetersexuality should be curable too if orientation is psychological.
 
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A declared racist talking about homosexuality. I bet he's a Jew loving Christian too.
 
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Wrong....it's natural because it exists outside of human influence. If you make two male dogs **** then that's human influenced homosexuality and that specific act would be unnatural.

So two men going at it is human influenced so it's unnatural?
 
Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

There is no gay gene.

Your belief that such a gene exists is pure religious dogma. This study even hammers that point home even harder. Identical twins have identical DNA. If there was a gay gene there would consistent data to show that was a possibility. The scientific data and evidence point to the exact opposite however.

Male/female coupling is natural. It has specific social and biological purposes. It's propagates the species. Homosexuality is abnormal. Occurs in less than 5% (less than 2% most likely) and is associated with psychological abnormalities in humans. Homosexuality was classified as a mental disorder in the DSM criteria until it was removed for political purposes. Animals engage in those types of irrational homosexual behaviors because of dominance and conflicting and confusing outside stimuli.

Much like atheism, when you inject a negative as a positive (saying something doesn't exist), you have to prove it. You cannot prove there isn't one only that there hasn't been one found. Sorry son, you're out of your league here. Go bash gays elsewhere.
 
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There is no gay gene

This study further proves that. If homosexuality is psychological (and it is) it can be cured.

There may not be a gay gene, I do not know that and I don't think it matters because it is still a natural thing and it is not curable. Gay is gay and will remain gay.
 
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There may not be a gay gene, I do not know that and I don't think it matters because it is still a natural thing and it is not curable. Gay is gay and will remain gay.

We must cure people from left handedness too.
 
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We must cure people from left handedness too.

Left handed people are sinister.
 
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So two men going at it is human influenced so it's unnatural?

No...you're saying the act itself is unnatural. That male on male bonding is unnatural. It occurs in nature outside of human influence therefore it's natural.
 
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Left handed people are sinister.

95% of all evil geniuses are left-handed. the other 5% are gay
 
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Left handed people are sinister.

They masturbate with their left hand. Can you imagine? Savages.
 
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They masturbate with their left hand. Can you imagine? Savages.

I tried it with my right hand once and it threw my rhythm off.....
 
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I tried it with my right hand once and it threw my rhythm off.....

You never had rhythm. You're white. Your people merely adopted rhythm. My people were born with it. Molded by it. Left, right, left, right, left. WHAT UP.
 
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There is no known gay gene. That does not mean there is no gay gene. Your failure to understand genetics is painful(hint: look up the difference between genotype and phenotype for example). By the way, your claimed numbers for homosexuality rates is lower than the rate mentioned in the linked article for twins. Just something to think about.

By your definition, hetersexuality should be curable too if orientation is psychological.

There are 5 people all giving me the same response so I'll just focus on this one

There are 2 major strawmen in your arguments

1) There is no gay gene. Evidence has just been found through a scientific study of identical twins (same DNA) that further supports this hypothesis. It is strong and compelling evidence. I find it absolutely amazing that you would dare claim someone doesn't understand genetics while completely ignoring the genetic data contained within the study.

Nobody in this thread wants to talk about the study and for good reason. It's further evidence that homosexuality is a psychological disorder. That homosexuality can be cured. Human beings are born with productive organs that have specific biological purposes. Beyond emotion and not wanting to hurt gay people's feelings, homosexual sex isn't natural. Claiming it's natural because animals do it (for reasons that have nothing to do with love, sexual attraction ect) is a very poor argument. Animals also engage in cannibalism.

2) Animals have an instinct to procreate. Biologically they have productive organs which serves a specific purpose. Heterosexuality as a condition is natural. A human beings inability to behave as a heterosexual (as this study further points to) is purely psychological. A condition that can be cured so the human being once again be one with it's nature.

I'm not going to keep repeating myself. If you want to talk about what the study specifically says, I'll be happy to do that. The science says there is no gay gene. Identical Twin DNA testing confirms this.
 
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No...you're saying the act itself is unnatural. That male on male bonding is unnatural. It occurs in nature outside of human influence therefore it's natural.

But building and extinction and deforestation occur outside of human influence too. You need to rethink your definition of "unnatural".

As you said: Words matter.

The problem is you are trying way to hard to stuff your worldview into a couple of ill fitting words and shredding them in the process.
 
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It occurs in nature outside of human influence therefore it's natural.
So...

Abortion - unnatural behavior
Infanticide - completely natural behavior
 
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We must cure people from left handedness too.

And from conservatism, liberalism, socialism, etc. There would be one thing people ought to be cured of and that is Fox Newsism (an affliction of people who watch fox news all the time and confuse partisan news reporting for actual unbiased news reporting) ;)
 
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You never had rhythm. You're white. Your people merely adopted rhythm. My people were born with it. Molded by it. Left, right, left, right, left. WHAT UP.

I'm not white....I just play one on the internet
 
Re: Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

There are 5 people all giving me the same response so I'll just focus on this one

There are 2 major strawmen in your arguments

1) There is no gay gene. Evidence has just been found through a scientific study of identical twins (same DNA) that further supports this hypothesis. It is strong and compelling evidence. I find it absolutely amazing that you would dare claim someone doesn't understand genetics while completely ignoring the genetic data contained within the study.

Nobody in this thread wants to talk about the study and for good reason. It's further evidence that homosexuality is a psychological disorder. That homosexuality can be cured. Human beings are born with productive organs that have specific biological purposes. Beyond emotion and not wanting to hurt gay people's feelings, homosexual sex isn't natural. Claiming it's natural because animals do it (for reasons that have nothing to do with love, sexual attraction ect) is a very poor argument. Animals also engage in cannibalism.

No one is talking about the study since there is no link to it. Makes it difficult. Hypothesis are not facts. Stating there is no gay gene is incorrect.

Whether there is a gay gene or not is entirely irrelevant to whether homosexuality is a psychological disorder. You keep repeating these same refuted points, which is kinda sad.

2) Animals have an instinct to procreate. Biologically they have productive organs which serves a specific purpose. Heterosexuality as a condition is natural. A human beings inability to behave as a heterosexual (as this study further points to) is purely psychological. A condition that can be cured so the human being once again be one with it's nature.

I'm not going to keep repeating myself. If you want to talk about what the study specifically says, I'll be happy to do that. The science says there is no gay gene. Identical Twin DNA testing confirms this.

Homosexuality and procreation are two entirely different things. Many homosexuals do procreate. This entirely destroys your argument.

Link to the study, then we can discuss it. Without the study, it is impossible to have an educated discussion about it. However, the little bit in the linked article does not preclude the presence of a genetic component to orientation.
 
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So...

Abortion - unnatural behavior
Infanticide - completely natural behavior

Not every ****ing thread is about abortion.
 
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But building and extinction and deforestation occur outside of human influence too. You need to rethink your definition of "unnatural".

As you said: Words matter.

The problem is you are trying way to hard to stuff your worldview into a couple of ill fitting words and shredding them in the process.

No not really. You keep flipping generic terms and specific events and act like they are the same. Extinctions exist and are naturally occurring ....but when specifically caused by human actions such as the dodo they are unnatural extinctions.

the building of structures is naturally occurring...beehives/anthills etc....but a skyscraper is something specific to humankind. It doesn't exist outside of humanity.

Deforestation is a generic term but when it's specifically caused by human influences it's no longer a natural event. That specific event is human caused.

The pairing of same sex and same sex acts is naturally occurring. It's natural.

Once again it's not my definition...
 
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