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Obama Protesters Sing 'Bye Bye Black Sheep,' in AZ [W:161]

Re: Obama Protesters Sing 'Bye Bye Black Sheep,' in AZ

What she's expressing is clear and obvious racism. And what you're doing is serving as an apologist for it. You're justifying it. I lived through the 60's and I can tell you this is every bit as bad if not worse. At that time we didn't have laws in place. Today we do but the messaging is more subtle. The Dog Whistles are obvious. And so is the racism. Having a Black President has brought it up to the surface. It's always been there.

Ever consider if he were a white red-head, they would have signs about gingers having no souls? Political discontent and protest very often manifests itself in the way the person believes will be most effective at getting their point across. Maybe it is racism; maybe it is just politics wrapped in a message you don't like. It isn't as if suddenly the first black guy was elected and only then people suddenly became hateful and distasteful towards them. Care to guess how many photos of carved up fetuses I saw when I worked in DC? Dozens a day.....
 
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In other words, you've got nothing but rage. A blog is not proof. All these are is accusations of "liberal plants" but no proof of any of it.

From your last source:



Where's the proof that this person is a "leftist infiltrator?" They offer none, just an accusation presented as fact.

So prove -- I mean PROOF -- not a blog. PROVE that the person in question is a "leftist infiltrator." Presenting accusations as fact don't hold up in court, and they don't hold up here.

Ohh i get it because it wasn't reported by huff and puff post, buzz feed or mother jones it is true

If You would have read the articles the facts are there that would hold up in court but you dismiss the articles because the are not on the approved liberal reading list
 
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Ohh i get it because it wasnt reported by huff and puff post, buzz feed or mother jones it is true

I'm not the one making any outrageous claims that can't be proved here. So I assume you are conceding since you can't offer any real proof?

All you've got is rage. Maybe you should calm down before you have a heart attack.
 
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That's a stupid comment. This isn't the law of the jungle. Maybe you prefer that. If so, you're in the wrong country,.

The president is our servant. He is the servant of the military. He does not get to take their rights away. The president causing people to loose their right to self defense is about as unAmerican as it gets.
 
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I'll put it in historical layman context, if Obama were a little older and were have been a butter bar (2nd. Lt.) in command of a rifle platoon in Vietnam, he probably would have been fragged by his own troops.

When the American people go to the polls when they vote for someone to be POTUS they should remember they are also picking who will be the Commander and Chief of our military services.

You do realize you just gave a very good reason to disarm Marines when Obama is around don't you? You also misrepresented the story in the Times claiming Obama ordered a court marshal and you never acknowledged your error. I'm sorry, but your posts are sometimes . . . very comical.
 
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Well, let's not say the entire TP is racist. But it's silly to deny that there are racists who are part of it. The ones focusing on Obama being "47% negro" for instance.

So what if he is? Maybe someone is interested in his lineage? It interests me to know his percentages even though I dont think of myself as racist or bigoted.
 
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So what if he is? Maybe someone is interested in his lineage? It interests me to know his percentages even though I dont think of myself as racist or bigoted.

If that's the focus of your protest.....

Being curious is one thing. Saying "I want the negro out of office" is something else altogether.

Funny video about perceptions:

 
Re: Obama Protesters Sing 'Bye Bye Black Sheep,' in AZ

If that's the focus of your protest.....

Being curious is one thing. Saying "I want the negro out of office" is something else altogether.

Funny video about perceptions:



why the **** are you pretending like I was out there protesting? Stop being a douche.

Im just giving my personal honest view. I wasnt there to question any of these people and I know how much a douche the news can be. Ive seen story edits first hand with my own eyes to give certain people credit.

Ok that video was ****in funny. A little point I think many "kkk" people had nothing to do with racism and got shoveled into **** but im not excusing the wrong d oings of hostile evil KKK people.
 
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Racism rears its ugly head once more on this forum. Your views disqualify you as a serious poster here. Your ignorance precedes any comment you might make.

As a white man who has been married to a Mexican woman for over 40 years you charge of racism is ridiculous. When it comes to being ignorant, you might need to look in a mirror before making such comments.
 
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If an enemy were to attack our country where would be the best place to hit if they could? The president. How is forcing our defense into sheep roles helping to protect him? Is he scared of his own people? If his presidency is scaring our own defense why doesn't he give them a non-dishonorable discharge and let them part ways? I think the commanders should be able to say "We arent allowing you to take weapons to this" but ultimately it should be every individuals right to trump that and say "Oh well. Too bad you dont allow it because I have my rights." Without penalization.

If some terror squad assaulted the president wouldnt you want the "noble gunslingers" in the crowd to defend him?
 
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Woah woah woah

Settle down there sparky.
I agree with you that most of Arizona' politics are absolute trash but to compare Az to Nazi Germany is uncalled for. The biggest reason being there is currently no genocide taking place in my state. Further those of us who don't agree with the state of things here are not just "going with it". We try our best to change things and in many cities like Flagstaff Tucson Bisbee things are pretty good. I might add Sedona but well they are a whole different kinda of crazy there.

My reference to Hitlers Germany was more in the way of a metaphor not a simile. Not all comparative speech is meant to be taken literally.
If you don't know the difference I suggest you look them up.
http://www2.hawaii.edu/~ailed/125/resources/metaphors_similies_analogies.pdf
 
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And how is that relevant to anything? Does that make him less a human being in your view?

Should it? I just find it hypocritical that one side always *****ed and yelled racist about people only calling obama black and now that he is also called white it is still racist. People need to make up their minds.

Why would it matter? Do you need some context to recognize racism when you see it? Under what context would that kind of speech appeal to your better instincts? The hypocrisy here is yours. Being an apologist for racists and then attempting to deflect it on the grounds of "context" is transparent. Why on earth would you look to justify something like this unless you are sympathetic to those views?

I'm going to respond to this despite it having nothing to do with what I actually said. Yes, context is everything. You can take just about anything out of context and it can appear bad, or good. But it is the context which shows whether there actually was something wrong or something good. For example if I said that Obama was a "nigger" then I would be a racist. If however I instead said that "Joe down the street from me said that Obama was a "nigger" that would not be me being racist, that would be Joe down the street being racist. Or for another example that I got from Washington state recently: Brown Paper Bag can be used derogatorily towards blacks, but it can also simply refer to someone that is taking thier lunch in a brown paper bag to work.

It has nothing to do with being an "apologist for racists". It has everything to do with wanting the truth. I'm not surprised that you would have no problem ignoring context in order to further your own agenda...but I do find it interesting.

Oh and fyi...i wasn't excusing anything in my post. I was just pointing out hypocrisy.
 
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Before I waste my time with anymore of a response may I ask sawdust what your expertise in the subject of renewable energy is?
In the interest of fairness, I am Biosystems engineer specializing in sustainable energy and resource management. I also work in conjunction with a local university that receives most of its funding from Uncle Tom.

I'm not going to discuss biomechanical engineering with you. I ran a rather large company for thirty years. The truth is, I support the idea of alternative energy but most of what I have seen from the current administration is misplaced resources and unsound business practices in the name of alternative energy. Most of the electric cars on the road require government subsidies to be affordable. Wind energy requires a very long time to pay back the investment in equipment. Ethanol is an energy deficient process that takes a food source and turns it into a product that eats gaskets in pipelines so has to be transported by truck.

I'm in favor of perfecting the technology but bringing the technology to market before it's ready just slows progress and puts alternative energy in a bad light. Look at what's happening in the news right now with Terry McAuliffe.

I am more interested in the business of alternative energy than it's production though and I am sure your depth of knowledge about the science of sustainable energy is far greater than any I will ever acquire. If you want to talk about the business model of Soylindra or a Tesla turning into a brick when the battery runs dead, I'm in.

Good luck with Uncle Tom by the way although I don't know if you want to talk about race or literature.
 
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You do realize you just gave a very good reason to disarm Marines when Obama is around don't you? You also misrepresented the story in the Times claiming Obama ordered a court marshal and you never acknowledged your error. I'm sorry, but your posts are sometimes . . . very comical.

Re: Obama ordered the court martial, it came from higher up than the Commandant. Anyone above the Commandant would be the Obama administration. It was probably Valerie Jarrett's doing. With the current administration, they don't recognise or follow the established military chain of command.

Obama has a serious problems as Commander and Chief of our military services and Obama knows it. He hasn't earned the respect of those serving in the military and he probably could care less because he doesn't respect the majority who serve in our military services today.
Obama has on numerous times has publicly said he plans to change the face of the military. He rejects the culture, traditions and customs of our military service. He doesn't like who is serving in our military today.

Obama has politicized the Department of Defense which is the civilian part of the military and is in the process of politicizing the uniform part of the military by lowering the standards for the Officers Corps, requiring the indoctrination of the troops in political correctness. He is in the process of dumbing down the physical standards of our military. And is using the military for social engineering experimentation which history has shown always result in soldiers, Marines, sailors and airmen bleeding and dieing on the battlefield and even during training.

Instead of earning the respect of the military Obama uses threats of court martials, relieving commanders of their commands and ending their military careers. No different than the incompetent platoon sergeant who has no leadership capabilities and hasn't earned the respect of the men in his platoon and uses the threat of physical force to lead.

Disarming Marines who are six or ten miles away from where Obama will be is no way to earn the respect of the Marines. If Obama doesn't trust them, how can they trust him ?
You may remember the incident when Leon Panetta became Secretary of Defense and visited a base in Afghanistan and all of the soldiers were disarmed in a combat zone. This is the way the Obama administration operates. A bunch of paranoid libs. They are scared of anyone who's not a liberal, progressive or socialist. There is no such thing as just an American in their thinking. Everyone is a hyphenated-American and are categorized into groups. You have to divide to accomplish your political agenda.
 
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Re: Obama ordered the court martial, it came from higher up than the Commandant. Anyone above the Commandant would be the Obama administration. It was probably Valerie Jarrett's doing. With the current administration, they don't recognise or follow the established military chain of command.

Obama has a serious problems as Commander and Chief of our military services and Obama knows it. He hasn't earned the respect of those serving in the military and he probably could care less because he doesn't respect the majority who serve in our military services today.
Obama has on numerous times has publicly said he plans to change the face of the military. He rejects the culture, traditions and customs of our military service. He doesn't like who is serving in our military today.

Obama has politicized the Department of Defense which is the civilian part of the military and is in the process of politicizing the uniform part of the military by lowering the standards for the Officers Corps, requiring the indoctrination of the troops in political correctness. He is in the process of dumbing down the physical standards of our military. And is using the military for social engineering experimentation which history has shown always result in soldiers, Marines, sailors and airmen bleeding and dieing on the battlefield and even during training.

Instead of earning the respect of the military Obama uses threats of court martials, relieving commanders of their commands and ending their military careers. No different than the incompetent platoon sergeant who has no leadership capabilities and hasn't earned the respect of the men in his platoon and uses the threat of physical force to lead.

Disarming Marines who are six or ten miles away from where Obama will be is no way to earn the respect of the Marines. If Obama doesn't trust them, how can they trust him ?
You may remember the incident when Leon Panetta became Secretary of Defense and visited a base in Afghanistan and all of the soldiers were disarmed in a combat zone. This is the way the Obama administration operates. A bunch of paranoid libs. They are scared of anyone who's not a liberal, progressive or socialist. There is no such thing as just an American in their thinking. Everyone is a hyphenated-American and are categorized into groups. You have to divide to accomplish your political agenda.

ERRRR . . . AHHHHHH . . . . UMMMMMM . . . well I guess that makes it all OK then to misquote a source and complain about disarming Marines on one hand, while espousing the virtues of fragging in the other. And it's your politicization of everything that makes your posts comically entertaining rather than informing.
 
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ERRRR . . . AHHHHHH . . . . UMMMMMM . . . well I guess that makes it all OK then to misquote a source and complain about disarming Marines on one hand, while espousing the virtues of fragging in the other. And it's your politicization of everything that makes your posts comically entertaining rather than informing.

Did not the IRS target the TEA Party ?

Did not the Department of Defense target the "Armed Forces Tea Party" ?

It was the Department of Defense that ordered the Marine Corps to investigate Sergant Gary Stein, a member of the "Armed Forces Tea Party."
It was President Obama's administration who ordered the investigation.

GOP Rep. Hunter wants Marine Corps to drop dismissal of anti-Obama sergeant - The Hill's DEFCON Hill

>"The Marine Corps Times is reporting that Barack Obama has more than one sergeant who is critical of his performance as commander-in-chief.

The report from the Marine newspaper comes just as the corps is trying to dismiss Sgt. Gary Stein for making unflattering comments about Obama on a personal Facebook page.

It was in a March 26 article called "Anti-Obama Marines that the paper reported, "Stein is not alone in his disdain for the president. Published in early March, the most recent Military Times survey of active-duty service members shows the lowest approval ratings for Obama's job as commander in chief since he took office in 2009: 25 percent, down from 35 after Obama's first year on the job. And rank-and-file Marines are hearing considerably more AntiObama talk on the job than they noticed in the past."..."<

>"Lt. Col. John Eidsmoe, a retired Air Force officer who works for former Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore at the Foundation for Moral Law, said, "It is obvious that someone higher up wants to bring the military into line."

The statement echoes that of Stein's attorney Gary Kreep with the United States Justice Foundation.

"I don't think the Marine Corps has any intention of treating him fairly in any appeal," he said. "It's my opinion, but I believe Obama sent orders down from above to get rid of this guy."..."<

>"...discipline is a vital part of military culture, another key part is for leaders to not surround themselves with "yes men," noting that Obama does not respond well to any criticism.

"We have to have discipline, but in our officer training we say 'you want a subordinate officer who will tell you the truth, not what you want to hear.' We don't have that kind of commander-in-chief now." "<
Obama gets low marks in marine survey-- G. Edwin Lint
 
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You okay with that Black Sheep bit? How about the half-white Muslim bit, that okay with you?


You ok with the white Hispanic George Zimmerman? What's good for the goose... As a white man myself, I prefer the president stay all black, but that's just me. ;)



Tim-
 
Re: Obama Protesters Sing 'Bye Bye Black Sheep,' in AZ

You ok with the white Hispanic George Zimmerman? What's good for the goose... As a white man myself, I prefer the president stay all black, but that's just me. ;)



Tim-

I don't wish to be rude, but I have no idea what you just said.
 
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17 pages and not one shred of evidence that any of them belonged to the Tea Party or where even on the right. Accusations with no evidence straight up profiling. you on the left are blatant unadulterated shameless hypocrites with out one once of integrity
 
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I don't wish to be rude, but I have no idea what you just said.

Well the theme of the thread is euphemistically about race, and how it is offensive that these protesters called Obama the half white black man. My comment was tongue -n- cheek, referencing how the liberal progressive mediatards wanted George Zimmerman to be white so bad that eventually they settled for a new phrase and called him a white Hispanic, a term that didn't even exist in the lexicon of average American's prior to the outrage in the Trayvon Martin case. I was just suggesting that if it were up to me, a white man, I'd prefer that black America own all that is Obama all by themselves. Lumping Obama in with white cultural prominence, (Whatever the hell that is) is something left to intellectuals, and you know what they say about intellectuals..

In truth, if you were blind and living in the dark, you'd never know that Obama was black. He's about as black (culturally speaking anyway) as Tommy Lee Jones, and about as white as Sidney Portlier.. ;)

Tim-
 
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Well America hasn't been this much divided since pre Civil War 1800's. But I doubt it has that much to do with liberals always playing the race card. More to do with Obama's socialist agenda of dividing America.

You should have heard the thousands of Marines earlier today at Pendleton that were bitching and complaining that they had to turn their rifles into the armory because Obama wanted to visit the Marines and tell them how great social engineering has been for the military.

Every time Obama sets foot on Camp Pendleton it becomes a gun free Camp Pendleton. That never happened beforer with any other Commander and Chief. It's as if Obama doesn't trust those who serve under his command.

The extreme divide has more to do with the extremely divided republican party than the democratic party.

To win elections the republican party has to placate the extreme religious/extreme (please note, I did not say extremist) right side of their party.

I have been very closely following US presidential elections since 1988 during the George Bush senior ran against Dukakis. This was already a bit on the nasty side with the Willy Horton adds but compared to how the US political scene is now, that election was relatively polite compared to later elections. Ever since the hawks/right side of the republican party has tasted the success of the Bush junior presidential victories they have become a very very vocal minority in the republican party. Together with the extremely religious part of the republican party, main stream republican politicians/presidential candidates have to bend over backwards to get nominated/elected.

Look at Mitt Romney, who had to run on a platform of being a very very very conservative republican to even get nominated, after which he had to try and etch-a-sketch himself to even make a chance to get elected.

It is not the democratic party or it's president who have moved from their political position (or not much at least) but it has been the republican party who has moved towards the right so much that it has lead to at least a very extreme political divisiveness in the US political scene. Not even the great republican take-over of 1994 was so divisive as the current Republican congress. They worked (forced due to the realities of the time) with Bill Clinton to have a prosperous time with much better fiscal balance that since then.

But democrats are also to blame for the bad fiscal balance of today but as the republicans have control of the house and they have clearly proven their insistence not to want to work with Obama no matter what (to save their own skins in the next election cycle because if they do not they will be toppled by tea-party members from their cushy congressional seats/senate seats). The total number of ridiculous votes against Obamacare proves IMHO that the republicans are only interested in working against Obama and have no wish to compromise in any way shape or form.
 
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Did not the IRS target the TEA Party ?

Did not the Department of Defense target the "Armed Forces Tea Party" ?

It was the Department of Defense that ordered the Marine Corps to investigate Sergant Gary Stein, a member of the "Armed Forces Tea Party."
It was President Obama's administration who ordered the investigation.

GOP Rep. Hunter wants Marine Corps to drop dismissal of anti-Obama sergeant - The Hill's DEFCON Hill

>"The Marine Corps Times is reporting that Barack Obama has more than one sergeant who is critical of his performance as commander-in-chief.

The report from the Marine newspaper comes just as the corps is trying to dismiss Sgt. Gary Stein for making unflattering comments about Obama on a personal Facebook page.

It was in a March 26 article called "Anti-Obama Marines that the paper reported, "Stein is not alone in his disdain for the president. Published in early March, the most recent Military Times survey of active-duty service members shows the lowest approval ratings for Obama's job as commander in chief since he took office in 2009: 25 percent, down from 35 after Obama's first year on the job. And rank-and-file Marines are hearing considerably more AntiObama talk on the job than they noticed in the past."..."<

>"Lt. Col. John Eidsmoe, a retired Air Force officer who works for former Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore at the Foundation for Moral Law, said, "It is obvious that someone higher up wants to bring the military into line."

The statement echoes that of Stein's attorney Gary Kreep with the United States Justice Foundation.

"I don't think the Marine Corps has any intention of treating him fairly in any appeal," he said. "It's my opinion, but I believe Obama sent orders down from above to get rid of this guy."..."<

>"...discipline is a vital part of military culture, another key part is for leaders to not surround themselves with "yes men," noting that Obama does not respond well to any criticism.

"We have to have discipline, but in our officer training we say 'you want a subordinate officer who will tell you the truth, not what you want to hear.' We don't have that kind of commander-in-chief now." "<
Obama gets low marks in marine survey-- G. Edwin Lint

Nope . . . no matter how hard I try to learn something from you . . . all I do is laugh. My apologies, because I know you're trying.
 
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The extreme divide has more to do with the extremely divided republican party than the democratic party.

To win elections the republican party has to placate the extreme religious/extreme (please note, I did not say extremist) right side of their party.

I have been very closely following US presidential elections since 1988 during the George Bush senior ran against Dukakis. This was already a bit on the nasty side with the Willy Horton adds but compared to how the US political scene is now, that election was relatively polite compared to later elections. Ever since the hawks/right side of the republican party has tasted the success of the Bush junior presidential victories they have become a very very vocal minority in the republican party. Together with the extremely religious part of the republican party, main stream republican politicians/presidential candidates have to bend over backwards to get nominated/elected.

Look at Mitt Romney, who had to run on a platform of being a very very very conservative republican to even get nominated, after which he had to try and etch-a-sketch himself to even make a chance to get elected.

It is not the democratic party or it's president who have moved from their political position (or not much at least) but it has been the republican party who has moved towards the right so much that it has lead to at least a very extreme political divisiveness in the US political scene. Not even the great republican take-over of 1994 was so divisive as the current Republican congress. They worked (forced due to the realities of the time) with Bill Clinton to have a prosperous time with much better fiscal balance that since then.

But democrats are also to blame for the bad fiscal balance of today but as the republicans have control of the house and they have clearly proven their insistence not to want to work with Obama no matter what (to save their own skins in the next election cycle because if they do not they will be toppled by tea-party members from their cushy congressional seats/senate seats). The total number of ridiculous votes against Obamacare proves IMHO that the republicans are only interested in working against Obama and have no wish to compromise in any way shape or form.

Well, that's what the Libbos want us to believe. The Leftists have far more to gain from racial divisions than any other party.
 
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