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An oldie ... and on a different topic ... but is it really? ... ya know some things just seem right enough to repeat...

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Your Mailbox is full. Won't accept PM.
Done. Thanks.
 
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Ah a jpg storm. The last gasp of a dying rightwing thread that's run out of counterfactual claims that haven't been totally rebutted.
 
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Hold on there Bubba. Wait just a minute.....there are 2 things wrong with this picture.

#1 Being there is no way that Joe Biden can ever keep his big mouth shut....and

#2 There should be some coffee stains, mustard, and ketchup stains, plus a few other food stains on that shirt. As we all know that Biden always talks with a mouthful. :mrgreen:
 
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Well, I consider intelligence to be actually going to the source provided in the OP, see that it is a little blog that sources another little blog that sources people telling that little blog, but they are anonymous. What that means is that it is an unverified story with no evidence to back it up. That puts it into the realm of conspiracy theory, something that conservatives have proven to be more open to believing. Just accepting things as true because dammit, it is what you want to be true, that is not what I would call evidence of intelligence.
I'm not buying into it, but I believe it possible. Understand that since there's such obfuscation, the barn door is open to speculation. Somebody told our military to stand down.
 
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I'm not buying into it, but I believe it possible. Understand that since there's such obfuscation, the barn door is open to speculation. Somebody told our military to stand down.

Anything is possible. Bush may have masterminded 9/11 as a justification to invade Iraq. Not worth speculating however since there is zero evidence to support it. This story is nothing more than a right wing circle jerk, getting irate at what they imagine might be possible based on all the other made up stories as justification of why it might be true.
 
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Anything is possible. Bush may have masterminded 9/11 as a justification to invade Iraq. Not worth speculating however since there is zero evidence to support it. This story is nothing more than a right wing circle jerk, getting irate at what they imagine might be possible based on all the other made up stories as justification of why it might be true.
All could be true. I will suspend judgement unless and until we know who actually gave the order - if anybody in the administration has the balls to admit the truth. As it looks, it's an all eunuch or female crowd running the show. The military did stand down, and somebody told them to. We'll see. Maybe.
 
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Anything is possible. Bush may have masterminded 9/11 as a justification to invade Iraq. Not worth speculating however since there is zero evidence to support it. This story is nothing more than a right wing circle jerk, getting irate at what they imagine might be possible based on all the other made up stories as justification of why it might be true.
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You don't spend much time in the conspiracy theories forum, do you?
 
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It was a State Dept Operation before it became a CIA Operation. That was per Hillary's Testimony too. Which she stated it was to go after Gadhafi's Weapons after his ouster.
The state department is a diplomatic agency and they don't go after weaponry. The CIA does that...and they were in Benghazi to secure a section of the city and "go after weaponry". Amb. Stevens was providing diplomatic cover. It was a classifed operation but in their zeal to stick it to Obama, the Republicans blew the CIA's cover when they showed the location of the compound on CSPAN. They put a lot of lives in jeapordy.


Is this the Hillary quote you were referring to?


"...Secretary of State Hillary Clinton testified before Congress today that there is "no doubt" that the terrorists who attacked a BP facility in eastern Algeria last week were armed with weapons that slipped out of Libya, and that rounding up those weapons was one reason Americans were in Benghazi when American diplomatic facilities there were attacked, with deadly results, last September 11.

"One of the reasons that we and other government agencies were present in Benghazi was exactly that. We had a concerted effort to track down and find and recover as many MANPADS and other very dangerous weapons as possible," she said before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, referring to man-portable, shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missiles. "The Pandora's Box of weapons coming out of these countries in the Middle East and North Africa is the source of one of our biggest threats. There is no doubt that the Algerian terrorists had weapons from Libya… So we just have to do a much better job." ...."
Clinton: 'No Doubt' Algeria Attackers Had Libyan Weapons - ABC News
 
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All depends on how you define what news is considered "mainstream".

Mostly the ones the low information voters watch. ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, MSNBC, even FOX on occasion.
 
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Forget that last post, I misunderstood your post, Unitedwestand13.

Actually many issues that, in the past, have been considered 'fringe' or 'conspiracy' are coming to the forefront as mainstream news. i. e. Big Brother is watching you.. etc.
 
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It was a State Dept Operation before it became a CIA Operation. That was per Hillary's Testimony too. Which she stated it was to go after Gadhafi's Weapons after his ouster.

That may be, but I doubt that changes the CIA's secrecy.
 
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That article is all ate up.

Assuming that anyone in their right mind would have authorized an AC130U firing into a populated urban area of an (nominally) allied nation in the first place, a very unlikely eventuality, it would had to have been off station prior to first light due to the threat of portable surface-to-air missiles (the search for which is what had brought former Navy SEAL Glen Doherty to Lybia in the first place).

That's pretty much SOP for all AC130 missions anywhere in the world. I've read numerous accounts of them being pulled off station in both Iraq and Afghanistan due to daylight and I've heard personal accounts from guys who were on the ground fighting when it happened.

Consequently that aircraft wouldn't have been in a position to render any support to the fight on the ground at the time the insurgents (or whatever we're gonna call them) started in with their mortar attacks at the CIA annex.

A Special Forces team might have been able to render some support but you're talking about 12 guys with guns vs. a virtual sea of insurgents with heavy weapons. Our SOF are super men, but they're not Superman. I fail to see how 12 men, even 12 very, very well-trained men, would have made all that much difference.

If the aircraft had been sent it would likely have been mostly useless because there wasn't any serious sustained fighting at the annex until after sunrise and that assumes that the President would have given it permission to open fire into a civilian neighborhood.

If the SF team had been sent it's likely they would have died in place along with the former Navy SEALs.

Given the nature of that fight the author of that article is giving them far too much credit.

You are making a grave mistake in assuming anything in this article remotely resembles the truth.
 
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You don't spend much time in the conspiracy theories forum, do you?

The stuff they post there isn't evidence. The trouble with conspiracy theories isn't so much the belief in information that is wrong, it's having ridiculous interpretations of things that are true.
 
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That may be, but I doubt that changes the CIA's secrecy.

Yeah.....I wouldn't disagree at all with you on that part.
 
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The state department is a diplomatic agency and they don't go after weaponry. The CIA does that...and they were in Benghazi to secure a section of the city and "go after weaponry". Amb. Stevens was providing diplomatic cover. It was a classifed operation but in their zeal to stick it to Obama, the Republicans blew the CIA's cover when they showed the location of the compound on CSPAN. They put a lot of lives in jeapordy.


Is this the Hillary quote you were referring to?


"...Secretary of State Hillary Clinton testified before Congress today that there is "no doubt" that the terrorists who attacked a BP facility in eastern Algeria last week were armed with weapons that slipped out of Libya, and that rounding up those weapons was one reason Americans were in Benghazi when American diplomatic facilities there were attacked, with deadly results, last September 11.

"One of the reasons that we and other government agencies were present in Benghazi was exactly that. We had a concerted effort to track down and find and recover as many MANPADS and other very dangerous weapons as possible," she said before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, referring to man-portable, shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missiles. "The Pandora's Box of weapons coming out of these countries in the Middle East and North Africa is the source of one of our biggest threats. There is no doubt that the Algerian terrorists had weapons from Libya… So we just have to do a much better job." ...."
Clinton: 'No Doubt' Algeria Attackers Had Libyan Weapons - ABC News

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.....yeah and more with her testimony. Which even before Gadhafi was Ousted it was a State Dept Mission.

Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton testifies on Capitol Hill in Washington, before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Jan. 23, 2013

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton testified before Congress today that there is "no doubt" that the terrorists who attacked a BP facility in eastern Algeria last week were armed with weapons that slipped out of Libya, and that rounding up those weapons was one reason Americans were in Benghazi when American diplomatic facilities there were attacked, with deadly results, last September 11.

"One of the reasons that we and other government agencies were present in Benghazi was exactly that. We had a concerted effort to track down and find and recover as many MANPADS and other very dangerous weapons as possible," she said before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, referring to man-portable, shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missiles. "The Pandora's Box of weapons coming out of these countries in the Middle East and North Africa is the source of one of our biggest threats. There is no doubt that the Algerian terrorists had weapons from Libya… So we just have to do a much better job."

In the weeks after Gadhafi's fall, the U.S. State Department set up a mission to go into Libya and round up an estimated 20,000 MANPADS and other dangerous weapons, an effort that was based partly out of Benghazi and continued up to the Sept. 11, 2012 terrorist attack there that claimed the life of Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans.

Though the State Department is at the forefront of the weapons mission, Clinton's reference to the "other government agencies" involved likely referred in part to the CIA, which operated out of an "annex" in Benghazi – a building Clinton today referred to as belonging to then-CIA director David Petraeus

But in the case of Benghazi, another sub-group, Ansar al-Sharia, was thought to be involved and in Algeria, Belmokhtar's splinter group, the "Signers With Blood Brigade," took credit for the attack.....snip~

Clinton: 'No Doubt' Algeria Attackers Had Libyan Weapons - ABC News
 
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Doug Ross @ Journal: BOMBSHELL REPORT: Valerie Jarrett Gave the Orders on 9/11/2012 and Blocked Rescue in Benghazi

Confidential sources close to Conservative Report have confirmed that Valerie Jarrett was the key decision-maker for the administration, the night of the Benghazi terrorist attack on 9/11/2012.

The chronology of the evening of 9/11 are as follows:


At approximately 5 PM Washington time, reports came in through secure-channels that Special Mission Benghazi was under attack. Secretary of Defense, Leon Panetta and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Martin Dempsey summoned the President,and briefed him on the crisis, face to face.

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This brings a whole new meaning to "I'm the decider".

Will she be getting a wing in the presidential library called Decision Points?
 
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This brings a whole new meaning to "I'm the decider".

Will she be getting a wing in the presidential library called Decision Points?

We don't need no stinkin protocal!
 
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Forget that last post, I misunderstood your post, Unitedwestand13.

Actually many issues that, in the past, have been considered 'fringe' or 'conspiracy' are coming to the forefront as mainstream news. i. e. Big Brother is watching you.. etc.

But when I define fringe, it is the source of the Information, not the issue being presented.

There are some media sources, like the onion or weekly world news, that are too outlandish to be considered fact.
 
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People really need to stop talking about this, there is no conspiracy or scandal here. Get over it!
 
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People really need to stop talking about this, there is no conspiracy or scandal here. Get over it!

There certainly is a conspiracy theory though!

Honestly, I probably would have abandoned this forum years ago if it weren't for the fact that the tinfoil crowd here is just so damned entertaining.
 
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So called mainstream media has made itself a joke that is why it's an insult to be labeled as that.

And the little blog, "Little Green Footballs" exposed the MSM as being just not a joke but liars and trying to throw an election in favor of the Democrats.
Someone forgot to inform ABC News that back during the early 70's there was no Microsoft Words, just typewriters.
Did someone mention something about "intelligence" ?
 
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But when I define fringe, it is the source of the Information, not the issue being presented.

There are some media sources, like the onion or weekly world news, that are too outlandish to be considered fact.

You do know the news in those is either not real or just a parady...right? :)
 
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