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French deemed 'too lazy' for Swiss recruiters

Hatuey said:
Only the employee never has ownership of a job. If he did, he could do as he wished with that job as implied with everything else you own. Do you know the basic principles of ownership? Ownership means you own it. As you never own the job you are hired to do, you don't have ownership of it. This is basic economics dude.
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By that logic, even the owner of the company doesn't own his job. He can't do as he wishes, if he expects to stay in business. Same thing goes for an employee.



Jajajaja what? An employer can fire you for a number of things completely unrelated to whether or not you want the job. You're simply being a contrarian and failing extremely hard at it.
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Anyone with management experience will tell you that keeping a job is left up to the employee that's holding that job.

I'm not being contrarian, just realistic. I'm a grownup, that's been in the real world that has a superb work ethic, not some kid on the internet trying to convince everyone that he's a master tradesman.
 
tererun said:
You are correct, I am pretty damned sure you cannot get much more lazy and worthless than CEOs or middle management types here in the US. They have two speeds, nothing and screwing stuff up.
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Don't worry, it's never a job you'll have to do.
 
Hatuey said:
And yet - without demand, there is no reason to even have supplies. So it is the demand which has made us into the greatest economy in the world. Not the people supplying that demand. Again, you're being a contrarian and failing hard at it.
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Supply and demand co-exist. Demand is worthless, without an innovator and a producer to meet that demand, the same way that production is useless without a demand for the product. Can't have one without the other.
 
Surtr said:
Me personally? Depends. I average about 60-70 hours. They can work up to 80 hours if they absolutely have to, but that's when the big boss comes out, and nobody will be happy then.
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I would be praying for the big boss to come visit...lol!
 
apdst said:
By that logic, even the owner of the company doesn't own his job.
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By what logic? There isn't logic in saying the owner of a company actually owns the job and at no point do employees own the jobs they are hired to do. This is business 101.

Anyone with management experience will tell you that keeping a job is left up to the employee that's holding that job.
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You obviously haven't ever worked in management. I've fired half a dozen people in the last year because I can always find people who could do the same job for less. So it was never up to them to do hold on to their jobs. It was just a matter of me not finding somebody who could do the same for less. Again, this all goes back to why you don't own a job. Ever.

I'm not being contrarian, just realistic. I'm a grownup, that's been in the real world that has a superb work ethic, not some kid on the internet trying to convince everyone that he's a master tradesman.
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It must be why you're giving ridiculous business advice and slaving away at a 9-5 hoping for a half day off. That "realism" has led you to believe you actually own your job. I've never seen somebody buy into the capitalism dream so well.
 
Hatuey said:
By what logic? There isn't logic in saying the owner of a company actually owns the job and at no point do employees own the jobs they are hired to do. This is business 101.
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You need to go back to business class, then.



You obviously haven't ever worked in management. I've fired half a dozen people in the last year because I can always find people who could do the same job for less. So it was never up to them to do hold on to their jobs. It was just a matter of me not finding somebody who could do the same for less. Again, this all goes back to why you don't own a job. Ever.
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Good luck getting worthwhile employees, once the word gets out.



It must be why you're giving ridiculous business advice and slaving away at a 9-5 hoping for a half day off. That "realism" has led you to believe you actually own your job. I've never seen somebody buy into the capitalism dream so well.
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I own my job, now and no one can take it from me, unless I allow them to. That's Real World 101.
 
apdst said:
You need to go back to business class, then.

Good luck getting worthwhile employees, once the word gets out.

I own my job, now and no one can take it from me, unless I allow them to. That's Real World 101.
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Hahahaha what utter nonsense. You weren't even able to come up to a reason as to why you own your job. What grants you ownership of your job? Can you ever transfer ownership of this job to somebody else? For example: If you own a job as at a local gas station, can you sell that job and make a profit from it? What rights do you have over this job? Again, capitalism doesn't allow for any of the answers to these to imply you own your job. If anything your job is owned by the people who provide the employment.
 
Gardener said:
But look on the bright side. France is rejecting Swiss applicants for being too anal retentive.
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Muslims love the French. They're so soft and agreeable; much like prison *******. These radicals get the same kind of reception from America's liberals.
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
Oh, I get it. I thought I having a conversation with you, but it turns out you're only talking to your mental image of me. You say that I've said things, and when I contradict you and invite you to actually quote what I said, all you've got left is going off on a tangent.

Have fun, I'm done with your silliness.
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Well that's funny, I did quote what you said. You just can't man up to your own statements.
 
humbolt said:
Forbes didn't say so, but I'll take your word for it. I know they were a little late at Yorktown. They did show up though.
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Forbes measures it using GDP per capita but by accumulated wealth per capita it is the forth richest and it is the 5th biggest economy.
 
ReformCollege said:
I think you're putting the cart before the horse. France has been a country of luxury for such a long time, perhaps it is causing the French to not take their work nearly as seriously. It remains to be seen if and how long they can continue to remain wealthy without making serious reforms to their entitlements and excessively prohibitive labor laws. But my guess would be with the rise of Asia as the dominant economic center of the world puts the standards of living of countries like France at risk, even more so if they are slow to adapt.
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In my experience of French people is that hold themselves and their social programs (I think they are a part of their constitution) and especially their constitution/government (which I like the best of any country) in very high regard. Those labour laws and social programs are ingrained into French society if you want to reform them you need to change how the French see themselves. Those who advocate strict adherence to the American constitution should look at France who follow their constitution practically to the letter.
 
Dooble said:
Muslims love the French. They're so soft and agreeable; much like prison *******. These radicals get the same kind of reception from America's liberals.
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Well in France the constitution says the government must be secular and cannot ask people what their religion is so they ballpark it at 6% - 8% of the population. There is also a fairly large population of French speaking Muslims in Africa and so because they speak French they go to France and France's Muslim population can partly be attributed to it. They also like it because France's Constitution protects them from the shenanigans which ban certain tenants of Islam without banning similar elements in other religions that happens in the U.S..
 
0bserver92 said:
Well in France the constitution says the government must be secular and cannot ask people what their religion is so they ballpark it at 6% - 8% of the population. There is also a fairly large population of French speaking Muslims in Africa and so because they speak French they go to France and France's Muslim population can partly be attributed to it. They also like it because France's Constitution protects them from the shenanigans which ban certain tenants of Islam without banning similar elements in other religions that happens in the U.S..
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Yeah, your views on France are not surprising. I, on the other hand, like to look at a much more aggressive strain in this saga:

Violence continues in France over Islamic veil ban - CBS News
 
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joko104 said:
Don't worry, it's never a job you'll have to do.
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yeah, my corporations will probably never get that big by design. It doesn't mean I am not in charge, just that I do not have a board of directors to report to.
 
Dooble said:
"So lay off the radicals, Dooble".

Let's take a look at what your friends have done here in the US:

List of Islamic Terror Attacks in America
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Most of those on the list are not even terror attacks but standard domestic criminal acts committed by Muslims. If that is the standard of which you attribute as terror attacks, then there are over 10k terrorist attacks (number of murders in US) in the US every year... and mostly committed by Christians...
 
Good to see this thread becoming another "lets bash france thread" even though most ppl don't know squat about France except that they got defeated real fast in WW2.
 
0bserver92 said:
Forbes measures it using GDP per capita but by accumulated wealth per capita it is the forth richest and it is the 5th biggest economy.
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I guess the Frogs hang on to it then. Good for them.
 
humbolt said:
I guess the Frogs hang on to it then. Good for them.
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Greetings, humbolt. :2wave:

I read once that it is theorized that there are more gold pieces buried in French backyards than there is in their Treasury. Another example of life lessons learned over time? Good for them. :mrgreen:
 
PeteEU said:
Most of those on the list are not even terror attacks but standard domestic criminal acts committed by Muslims. If that is the standard of which you attribute as terror attacks, then there are over 10k terrorist attacks (number of murders in US) in the US every year... and mostly committed by Christians...
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Wrong. They were standard jihadist type attacks made by Muslim terrorists. I see only a very small handful of that group that have some element of your standard domestic criminal acts, but they're all made by anti-everything jihadist Muslims.
 
humbolt said:
I guess the Frogs hang on to it then. Good for them.
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It's why the Socialists push for a wealth tax because there is massive stockpiled wealth in France.
 
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