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Obama: I won't 'twiddle my thumbs' waiting for GOP

Re: Did obama just blame the economy on race

Lord Tammerlain said:
Twisted
world view?

Wanting to keep guns out of the hands of groups like the black panthers or Aryan Nations is twisted?

Heck lets give RPGs to biker gangs and street gangs that will make the world a safer place
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Those groups don't represent any REAL threat.

And neither do " biker gangs" .
 
Re: Did obama just blame the economy on race

CalGun said:
Did obama just blame the economy on race
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No; but many pinheads on the far Right might interpret it that way, not that they matter, really.
 
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Actually it's been well explained, but unfortunately you wouldn't get it. O'loser was saying he gets his way or racial violence will occur and he even implies justified.


Sisyphus said:
No; but many pinheads on the far Right might interpret it that way, not that they matter, really.
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CalGun said:
Actually it's been well explained, but unfortunately you wouldn't get it. O'loser was saying he gets his way or racial violence will occur and he even implies justified.
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Case in point. Thanks for helping to illustrate what I was getting at.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
A couple of points I'd like to make on this issue:

1. It's pretty sad when the President of the United States has such contempt for the citizens of the country that he believes minorities will turn to violence if something isn't done about the economy.

2. This President is predicting violence if the economy doesn't improve, yet he wants to restrict your access to guns and ammunition.

3. This President loves to pit those who are successful and acquire the fruits of their success against those who are less successful in life. He loves to portray those with success and wealth as being undeserving of that success and wealth and those who are less successful as being deserving of their share of the successful person's wealth. Is it any wonder that some may feel the President is condoning taking from the successful and wealthy, even if it takes violence?
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I got the impression that he was talking about racial tensions currently being in a bad state and that is unlikely to improve as people struggle through their day to day needs. As I mentioned above, if we can gleam anything from history, it's that hard times solidify social and cultural resentment and help foster the "us vs them" mentality.

Pretty much just stating the obvious
 
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CalGun said:
Actually it's been well explained, but unfortunately you wouldn't get it. O'loser was saying he gets his way or racial violence will occur and he even implies justified.
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where are you getting that from?
 
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From the quote I provided. If you are able to imagine the word "compete" means violence it's a result of not getting what he wants, and he does not call that wrong in anyway. Just how else is "compete" implied when discussing racial groups?


Dr. Chuckles said:
where are you getting that from?
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CalGun said:
From the quote I provided. If you are able to imagine the word "compete" means violence
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Seems like you're totally begging the question on this one, and even with injecting "violence" in there and clearly changing the meaning and context of the quote, the idea that it was a threat still seems tenious at best.

Not to mention, "compete" as it is used in the quote provided" seems more about conveying the idea that when people are struggling over the same shrinking resources, that they develop a habit of breaking things down into an "us vs them" mentality.

Which, again, is hardly a revolutionary idea


it's a result of not getting what he wants, and he does not call that wrong in anyway.
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Well, calling it wrong seems a little unnecessary and pointless. Being that it's how groups of people react, regardless how we feel about it and it's something we need to recognize. So pontificating on the morality of it is a rather pointless waste of time, especially when it's objectionable nature is rather obvious.

Just how else is "compete" implied when discussing racial groups?
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In many ways besides violence. Just like if I wrote "people compete for the same limited resources"
 
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Sisyphus said:
Case in point. Thanks for helping to illustrate what I was getting at.
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Youv'e missed the point. Under Obama racial tensions have gotten worse and so has unemployment numbers for blacks
 
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Since he did not admonish violence as wrong his presentation could well condone it. You seem to project its just common sense that isn't so, and I disagree. I think he is saying to his opponents don't my way or else. His ultimatum holds no limits,outside the word compete and again I ask how does a minority group, in fiscally poor status, going to compete if not with protest, violence or both?

Dr. Chuckles said:
Seems like you're totally begging the question on this one, and even with injecting "violence" in there and clearly changing the meaning and context of the quote, the idea that it was a threat still seems tenious at best.

Not to mention, "compete" as it is used in the quote provided" seems more about conveying the idea that when people are struggling over the same shrinking resources, that they develop a habit of breaking things down into an "us vs them" mentality.

Which, again, is hardly a revolutionary idea




Well, calling it wrong seems a little unnecessary and pointless. Being that it's how groups of people react, regardless how we feel about it and it's something we need to recognize. So pontificating on the morality of it is a rather pointless waste of time, especially when it's objectionable nature is rather obvious.



In many ways besides violence. Just like if I wrote "people compete for the same limited resources"
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CalGun said:
Since he did not admonish violence as wrong his presentation could well condone it. You seem to project its just common sense that isn't so, and I disagree. I think he is saying to his opponents don't my way or else. His ultimatum holds no limits,outside the word compete and again I ask how does a minority group, in fiscally poor status, going to compete if not with protest, violence or both?
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What has he done to make you think he condones racial violence, in anyway?
 
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His administration condoned Op Wall Street. The DOJ investigates Zimmerman but not the Seattle Shipyard Union that held security guards against their will while damaging a ship yard, and look at the cool settlement with the new black panthers over voter intimidation efforts in 08 by this admin.


Dr. Chuckles said:
What has he done to make you think he condones racial violence, in anyway?
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CalGun said:
His administration condoned Op Wall Street. The DOJ investigates Zimmerman but not the Seattle Shipyard Union that held security guards against their will while damaging a ship yard, and look at the cool settlement with the new black panthers over voter intimidation efforts in 08 by this admin.
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that struck me as political more than a condoning of racial violence
 
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2 were racial and 2 economic so I think it's a rational presentation on topic here.


Dr. Chuckles said:
that struck me as political more than a condoning of racial violence
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Dr. Chuckles said:
I got the impression that he was talking about racial tensions currently being in a bad state and that is unlikely to improve as people struggle through their day to day needs. As I mentioned above, if we can gleam anything from history, it's that hard times solidify social and cultural resentment and help foster the "us vs them" mentality.

Pretty much just stating the obvious
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In my view, this President thrives on fostering the "us vs them" mentality. He's not stating the obvious, he's stating his political strategy.
 
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CalGun said:
Or is he suggestion a race war if he doesn't get his economy?
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"Racial tensions won't get better; they may get worse, because people will feel as if they've got to compete with some other group to get scraps from a shrinking pot" if individuals do not see a stable fiscal future, Obama said.
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Quote is from CNN story titled Obama won't twiddle thumbs waiting for GOP or something like it. I can't cut a link and quote on phone sorry...

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Obama: I won’t ‘twiddle my thumbs’ waiting for GOP – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs
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Both, I think.
 
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"I want to make sure that all of us in Washington are investing as much time, as much energy, as much debate on how we grow the economy and grow the middle class as we've spent over the last two to three years arguing about how we reduce the deficits," he said, blasting what he called "a damaging framework in Washington."
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He wants to "grow" the middle class. He wants to increase the size of his voting base. He wants to grow the middle class by reducing high paying jobs and forcing people to take jobs below their skill sets bringing them from upper class down to middle class (He's the "Roads & Bridges" President). He wants businesses to change full time employees to part time through the "obamadoesn'tcare" health plan so he can make more citizens reliant on government. obama is pure socialist.
 
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Jon Slice said:
He wants to "grow" the middle class. He wants to increase the size of his voting base. He wants to grow the middle class by reducing high paying jobs and forcing people to take jobs below their skill sets bringing them from upper class down to middle class (He's the "Roads & Bridges" President). He wants businesses to change full time employees to part time through the "obamadoesn'tcare" health plan so he can make more citizens reliant on government. obama is pure socialist.
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Seems the only thing he has left to start is the march toward revolution.
 
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CalGun said:
Or is he suggestion a race war if he doesn't get his economy?
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"Racial tensions won't get better; they may get worse, because people will feel as if they've got to compete with some other group to get scraps from a shrinking pot" if individuals do not see a stable fiscal future, Obama said.
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Quote is from CNN story titled Obama won't twiddle thumbs waiting for GOP or something like it. I can't cut a link and quote on phone sorry...

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Obama: I won’t ‘twiddle my thumbs’ waiting for GOP – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs
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No, this is just a factual statement that acknowledges the demographics. And if the economy doesn't get better and if we continue our corporate capitalist route, this will exacerbate until such time that people realize that when they riot, they shouldn't be going after private business in their neighborhood, but rather government.
 
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Ikari said:
No, this is just a factual statement that acknowledges the demographics. And if the economy doesn't get better and if we continue our corporate capitalist route, this will exacerbate until such time that people realize that when they riot, they shouldn't be going after private business in their neighborhood, but rather government.
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Are you kidding me here?

Two questions...

1.) What is the alternative to what you term the "corporatist/capitalist route"...?

2.) Obama is a corporatist himself, as long as it is a corporation he approves of, so what do you call it when government picks and chooses which corporations we should support?
 
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j-mac said:
1.) What is the alternative to what you term the "corporatist/capitalist route"...?
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Free market capitalism

j-mac said:
2.) Obama is a corporatist himself, as long as it is a corporation he approves of, so what do you call it when government picks and chooses which corporations we should support?
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Obama is a corporatist himself. He's not moving to solve the problem, none of them are. Doesn't distract from the fact that the statement is true. He can say true things even if he has no intention of following through. When government picks and chooses which corporations we should support, that is corporate capitalism. It's the main capitalism pushed by the Republocrats.
 
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Ikari said:
Free market capitalism



Obama is a corporatist himself. He's not moving to solve the problem, none of them are. Doesn't distract from the fact that the statement is true. He can say true things even if he has no intention of following through. When government picks and chooses which corporations we should support, that is corporate capitalism. It's the main capitalism pushed by the Republocrats.
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Ok, I suspect we are more in agreement, than disagreement at this point.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
A couple of points I'd like to make on this issue:

1. It's pretty sad when the President of the United States has such contempt for the citizens of the country that he believes minorities will turn to violence if something isn't done about the economy.

2. This President is predicting violence if the economy doesn't improve, yet he wants to restrict your access to guns and ammunition.

3. This President loves to pit those who are successful and acquire the fruits of their success against those who are less successful in life. He loves to portray those with success and wealth as being undeserving of that success and wealth and those who are less successful as being deserving of their share of the successful person's wealth. Is it any wonder that some may feel the President is condoning taking from the successful and wealthy, even if it takes violence?
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Nothing in this post remotely resembles reality.
 
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