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Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

Would a discrete Druid sacrifice of a chicken be acceptable as a preamble to a meeting?

I know voodoo is a protected religion and those who practice are legally allowed to sacrifice animals.
 
Why not? Apparently anything is acceptable as long as it's not a prayer, and it would be a novelty ... for a while. Reading the auspices of the entrails might help, too. :shock:
Morning Pol. Yes. I like the entrail reading. The added bonus would be fried chicken after the meeting. The vegans could have fried okra and old socks. I'm consistently amazed at the ability of someone, somewhere to be offended by almost anything. It offends me.
 
You can do whatever you want, but do it on your own time. Doing it on my time is requiring me to participate. No one is preventing any of those people to take moments out of their day to pray, and they should do it on their time. This is the problem with people like you, you want everyone else to be inconvenienced because of your prayers. We do not need it, nor to be bothered wasting time watching you do it because you are bothered because we have more free time than you.

You'te not rewuired to participate. You can walk out of the room until the prayer is over. You're denying people the right of freedom of religion because YOU don't agree with it. BTW, the Constitution DOES mention freedom of religion, unlike the seperation of church and state.
 
Would a discrete Druid sacrifice of a chicken be acceptable as a preamble to a meeting?

Sure. I think it should probably be done outdoors, though.
 
First of all, you're one of 300,000,000 taxpayers, so don't make it sound like you're a substantial contributor to our governments piggy bank.

Doesn't matter. If the majority voters of the state don't want to pay for prayer, they can either vote in people that will eliminate it or ask the state to eliminate it. Nobody is FORCED to pay for prayer, period.

I have said all along this is a state's issue since it is state employee's that are doing it. If it were a private employer, that employer isn't required to pay for prayer.

Where does it say in the Bill of Rights that you don't have to pay?

Religious freedom, I don't have to pay for prayer. Now show me in the Bill of rights where it says I have to pay for prayer.
 
I didn't realize that prayer costed anything. I assumed it was free of charge.

Not if I am paying an employee for a job and he is doing it there. Then it costs me.
 
I know voodoo is a protected religion and those who practice are legally allowed to sacrifice animals.
Yup. Druids are officially designated as a cult though, so no one could be offended by a "religious" practice or rite. I wonder what would happen if they sang the "Battle Hymn of the Republic"? Open revolt and armed insurrection, I imagine.
 
The legislators CHOOSE to pray, and now their freedom to make that choice has been removed.

There is a huge difference between legislators choosing to pray as a personal matter, even in a public setting, and praying in official capacity to open or close, or anything in between.

A better example is prayer in school. Nothing stops a student praying for a passing grade on a test. This does not mean that anyone has a right to an official prayer.
 
You'te not rewuired to participate. You can walk out of the room until the prayer is over. You're denying people the right of freedom of religion because YOU don't agree with it. BTW, the Constitution DOES mention freedom of religion, unlike the seperation of church and state.

And should taxpayer's decide they don't want their reps to do it, they don't have a right to get paid for prayer.

Simple. If they don't like it, they can do it before a meeting off the clock.

This is a state's issue since they are state employees. If the voter's or the state doesn't care, then they can do the prayer during the meeting. The federal sticking thier noses in this is wrong though.
 
Yup. Druids are officially designated as a cult though, so no one could be offended by a "religious" practice or rite. I wonder what would happen if they sang the "Battle Hymn of the Republic"? Open revolt and armed insurrection, I imagine.

The only difference between a cult and a religion are the numbers. Chrisianity could have been called a cult in the earlier days. Other than that no difference.
 
The only difference between a cult and a religion are the numbers. Chrisianity could have been called a cult in the earlier days. Other than that no difference.
Now you're muddying the water in the River of Love. A cult is none the less not a religion. There is no wall between a cult and the state. Definitions mean everything, you know.
 
Because we're not supposed to worship any nonexistent gods, only the one true God.

I assume you are talking about the singular we. My existant god is a nonexistant god. There are hundreds if not thousands of one true gods in the world. There is no way to determine who is correct.

And none of the one true gods have the right to impose their beliefs on another. Attempt to persuade, yes. Impose, no.
 
And should taxpayer's decide they don't want their reps to do it, they don't have a right to get paid for prayer.

Simple. If they don't like it, they can do it before a meeting off the clock.

This is a state's issue since they are state employees. If the voter's or the state doesn't care, then they can do the prayer during the meeting. The federal sticking thier noses in this is wrong though.

And by the same token, if tax payers don't have a problem with it, it should be allowed to carry on. Two way streets are a bitch, huh?
 
And by the same token, if tax payers don't have a problem with it, it should be allowed to carry on. Two way streets are a bitch, huh?

Not a bitch for me, if the majority don't care than they are allowed to. I may not think they "should" do it, but I'm not saying they "can't" do it unless the state or the voters say something about it. Now a private business is different. An employer has the right not to pay someone for prayer should they decide to.
 
You'te not rewuired to participate. You can walk out of the room until the prayer is over. You're denying people the right of freedom of religion because YOU don't agree with it. BTW, the Constitution DOES mention freedom of religion, unlike the seperation of church and state.

The Constitution does not say "separation of church and state," but it quite clearly forbids the establishment of a state religion. So while it doesn't say it in a positive, it forbids the negative.

There is also no law that states it's legal not to murder someone, but there are many that forbid the opposite of not murdering someone.
 
Doesn't matter. If the majority voters of the state don't want to pay for prayer, they can either vote in people that will eliminate it or ask the state to eliminate it. Nobody is FORCED to pay for prayer, period.

I have said all along this is a state's issue since it is state employee's that are doing it. If it were a private employer, that employer isn't required to pay for prayer.



Religious freedom, I don't have to pay for prayer. Now show me in the Bill of rights where it says I have to pay for prayer.

Sorry you just cant "ban" civil liberties via democratic vote.....

Civil liberties are NOT a state issue...

I cant even believe you attempt to call yourself a libertarian when you're willing to ban freedom of religion because you don't agree with prayer......

Go join the progressives because you sure as hell sound like one.
 
Sorry you just cant "ban" civil liberties via democratic vote.....

Civil liberties are NOT a state issue...

I cant even believe you attempt to call yourself a libertarian when you're willing to ban freedom of religion because you don't agree with prayer......

Go join the progressives because you sure as hell sound like one.

Again you want to FORCE an employer to pay for prayer. What kind of libertarian are you that makes an employer pay for prayer?

You are allowed to pray, there is NOTHING that says you HAVE to get paid for it.

Show me the civil liberty where it says I have to PAY for prayer. You still can't provide it. It can't be a civil rights violation if there is no staute for it. Tell me where EXACTLY it says I have to pay for prayer.
 
I cant even believe you attempt to call yourself a libertarian when you're willing to ban freedom of religion because you don't agree with prayer......

Go join the progressives because you sure as hell sound like one.

I can't believe you call yourself a libertarian when you favor coercing people to pray one way, favor forcing them into a particular decision about their genitals, and bet that Romney was going to win by a landslide.

Go join the Republicans, because you always sound like one.
 
Again you want to FORCE an employer to pay for prayer. What kind of libertarian are you that makes an employer pay for prayer?

You are allowed to pray, there is NOTHING that says you HAVE to get paid for it.

Show me the civil liberty where it says I have to PAY for prayer. You still can't provide it. It can't be a civil rights violation if there is no staute for it. Tell me where EXACTLY it says I have to pay for prayer.

I don't want to force an employer to pay for prayer anymore than I want to force an employer to pay for paid bathroom breaks, lunch breaks, water cooler conversation, company events, birthday parties etc.....

Besides many people are on salary anyways and don't work on a hourly basis. They're paid for the job not their time.
 
I don't want to force an employer to pay for prayer anymore than I want to force an employer to pay for paid bathroom breaks, lunch breaks, water cooler conversation, company events, birthday parties etc.....

Besides many people are on salary anyways and don't work on a hourly basis. They're paid for the job not their time.

Yes, you just said you wanted to FORCE employers to pay for prayer because you claimed it would be a "civil rights violation". Make up your mind please, you're running in circles now.
 
I can't believe you call yourself a libertarian when you favor coercing people to pray one way, favor forcing them into a particular decision about their genitals, and bet that Romney was going to win by a landslide.

Go join the Republicans, because you always sound like one.

I'm not advocating forcing people to pray - people don't have to pray. I'm siding with individuals who choose to exercise their freedom of religion to pray....

You don't have to pray in the presence of prayer anymore than someone has to eat in the presence of food.

Standing up for civil liberties is what makes me a REAL libertarian.
 
Where in the constitution is the right to not be offended expressed? I've never seen it, and I've looked.
 
Yes, you just said you wanted to FORCE employers to pay for prayer because you claimed it would be a "civil rights violation". Make up your mind please, you're running in circles now.

One could take either position however, I'm not petty like you so I wouldn't be one to complain over being docked 60 seconds of pay for a prayer. I suppose if that were to happen a person could make a big deal about it and claim their civil rights are being violated. I wouldn't personally make a big deal about it.

If I owned a business I wouldn't dock pay out of religious spite -- you probably would tho.
 
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