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Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings [W:656]

paddymcdougall said:
Awesome. I would be very uncomfortable if I were at a government meeting and they started with a prayer of any kind.
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what does your comfort have to do with anything?

as a minarchist, i'm pretty uncomfortable when a bunch of politicians get together in groups to force their will on the populace..... but i'm thinking my comfort level isn't going to stop them from doing it.
 
Personally I couldn't care less but I also don't quite see the point.Did God say to the angels "well I was going to collapse the building on them,but since they asked nicely...".
If a politician needs to ask for assistance just to do their job,that's not a politician I'm inclined to vote for.
But that's just me.
 
Thrilla said:
thanks for the odd opinion that doesn't address anything....
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It's not "odd". And it directly deals with the present day problems of Christians trying to impose their ideas on all and Muslims trying to introduce Shariah law..............................
 
greyhat said:
It's not about any evil or harm- it's about a constitutionally established separation and the maintenance of it. It's a matter of principle.
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if that is what it's really about, then you would be supportive of it... like SCOTUS has.

i'm of the mind it's more about your disdain of religion rather than anything having to do with the Constitution.
 
AlabamaPaul said:
Why would either you or I care how the meeting was opened?
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What was the big deal about having the Roman emperor's statue in their churches and synagogues ?............It was just a statue....................
 
Bonzai said:
It's not "odd". And it directly deals with the present day problems of Christians trying to impose their ideas on all and Muslims trying to introduce Shariah law..............................
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ahh, so it's a matter of crushing your competition.... mmmk.
 
and I would say the Pater Noster until the cows came home.. Another black spot on America's reputation and another nail in the coffin of Freedom...
 
Thrilla said:
ahh, so it's a matter of crushing your competition.... mmmk.
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I should be flattered that you consider me on par with a religion, but I just think you're either confused or being intentionally "slow"...................
 
Somerville said:
So, if you approve of prayers at the beginning of a political bodies meeting, what do you think of the following? It happened in 2007
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Those dip****s deserved to be arrested.
 
Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings

Thrilla said:
if that is what it's really about, then you would be supportive of it... like SCOTUS has.

i'm of the mind it's more about your disdain of religion rather than anything having to do with the Constitution.
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I would personally fight for your right to pray to whatever god(s) you like; I just don't believe that praying should occur or government property and or be done by government officials while on official business- that's all
 
TheDemSocialist said:
A fail to see how "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" is not calling for a separation of church and state? And oh yea those dirty liberals are up to it again:lamo I mean i guess many conservative judges must be "lbierals" too and that dirty lib Jefferson: I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their "legislature" should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between church and State."
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What LAW is being made respecting an establishment of religion?
 
Bonzai said:
I should be flattered that you consider me on par with a religion, but I just think you're either confused or being intentionally "slow"...................
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well, someone is being slow, but it sure as hell isn't me.

you have a problem with them trying to" impose their will on others".
i'm saying that's a bull**** argument, or you are a hypocrite.

folks hide behind such statement to mask their real problems..... the imposition of wills is widely acceptable in society and government.. hell, it's what society and government is all about, it's how they both operate.

fact of the matter is this...you have no problem with your will being imposed on other people... you just have a problem with imposition if it comes from people you see as inferior.
 
greyhat said:
I would personally fight for your right to pray to whatever god(s) you like; I just don't believe that praying should occur or government property and or be done by government officials while on official business- that's all
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Why not? The Constitution allows for freedom of religion, not freedom from religion...
 
AlabamaPaul said:
Why would either you or I care how the meeting was opened?
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I care. What can I say? I care. & I believe that having a prayer at the beginning of a govt meeting is an endorsement of that religion.

Perhaps they should start with everyone kneeling down and bowing toward Mecca?
 
Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings

AlabamaPaul said:
Why not? The Constitution allows for freedom of religion, not freedom from religion...
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Freedom of religion IS freedom FROM religion.
 
greyhat said:
I would personally fight for your right to pray to whatever god(s) you like; I just don't believe that praying should occur or government property and or be done by government officials while on official business- that's all
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well, I can respect that opinion.... it's about your "beliefs".... your beliefs, however, are not consistent with law nor the Constitution.

as a matter of law and Constitutionality... opening prayers are fine.
 
Thrilla said:
well, someone is being slow, but it sure as hell isn't me.

you have a problem with them trying to" impose their will on others".
i'm saying that's a bull**** argument, or you are a hypocrite.

folks hide behind such statement to mask their real problems..... the imposition of wills is widely acceptable in society and government.. hell, it's what society and government is all about, it's how they both operate.

fact of the matter is this...you have no problem with your will being imposed on other people... you just have a problem with imposition if it comes from people you see as inferior.
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Ding, Ding, Ding..................Bingo..........................
 
paddymcdougall said:
I care. What can I say? I care. & I believe that having a prayer at the beginning of a govt meeting is an endorsement of that religion.

Perhaps they should start with everyone kneeling down and bowing toward Mecca?
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they can't force anyone to actively participate...
 
Thrilla said:
well, I can respect that opinion.... it's about your "beliefs".... your beliefs, however, are not consistent with law nor the Constitution.

as a matter of law and Constitutionality... opening prayers are fine.
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Actually the whole point of this thread is a federal court said they AREN'T fine as a matter of law or constitutionality.
 
AlabamaPaul said:
No, freedom to express is much different than imposing restrictions thereon...
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Well, what if the mumblings of monotheists become a lethal threat when they present the imminent threat of "Death By Boredom "?......................
 
By the way - anyone who wants to pray before the meeting is welcome to -they can pray silently to themselves at any point before the meeting starts; or they can go off premise and pray as a group on the sidewalk.
 
Bonzai said:
Well, what if the mumblings of monotheists become a lethal threat when they present the imminent threat of "Death By Boredom "?......................
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You probably wouldn't have remained awake through the discussion...
 
Federal court halts Christian prayers at North Carolina county meetings

AlabamaPaul said:
No, freedom to express is much different than imposing restrictions thereon...
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The freedom to express no religion is equally important.
 
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