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Boehner promises more House votes to derail ObamaCare implementation

Mental illness is defined as doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. By that standard, when it comes to AHCA, the GOP is mentally ill.
 
DVSentinel said:
Not really. From what I have seen over the last 30-40 years, they don't do much of anything.
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Except throw trillions away in a war, Reagan tripled the national debt starting the big spending spree, Bush doubled it. So dont start this card of "republicans dont spend money and add to the debt" .
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Except throw trillions away in a war, Reagan tripled the national debt starting the big spending spree, Bush doubled it. So dont start this card of "republicans dont spend money and add to the debt" .
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Perhaps you might just want to take a look at who controlled congress, especially the house, where all funding bills must originate.

Also, those wars were nothing compared to what we spend on social programs and were a lot more necessary.
 
Here's my problem with this. The Republicans should hold back trying to repeal Obamacare until they have the power to actually do it. For a party that claims to be against unnecessary spending, they have spent 53 million smackeroos that could either have gone someplace else, or have been used for tax cuts. Does anybody really believe that Republicans are serious about cutting the deficit now? People are not judged by the pablum puke they spew from their mouths. They are judged by what they actually do.

Very dumb. Very dumb.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Yea **** the government governing! :roll:
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The government doesn't need to "GROW" to govern.

It needs to back the **** off and let run its course.

The government doesn't have to have its hand in everything.....
 
tererun said:
It doesn't make much difference to the point. Whether you like the bill or hate it there are only 2 ways to get rid of it in america. You either repeal it through the legislature, which is not happening with a dem senate and Obama in charge, or you get the courts to declare it unconstitutional which has already failed setting precedent which will make any further attempts that much harder. So until something changes these votes are a waste of time and resources.

This may become an even bigger problem seeing as how the bill might actually do something about the insane costs of health insurance. Seeing as how it looks like in many of the states implementing it you are seeing a drastic decrease in health insurance costs to affordable levels the act may actually gain support. I was just reading some news NY rates went down to around 55 dollars a month as opposed to the hundreds of dollars that used to be their minimum. If employers can get rates like that when the mandate comes into effect it is actually good for them too. To give you an idea that is a .34 cent an hour benefit for a FT 40 hour a week employee. When you consider tax incentives and the reality bulk insurance purchases end uip being less it really is not a terrible expense for an employer to make to comply with the law, and your FT employees get health care and can stop bitching about not having it.
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But when people get hours cut and layed off so businesses can reach exemption status....

Then who is that good for?
 
tererun said:
It doesn't make much difference to the point. Whether you like the bill or hate it there are only 2 ways to get rid of it in america. You either repeal it through the legislature, which is not happening with a dem senate and Obama in charge, or you get the courts to declare it unconstitutional which has already failed setting precedent which will make any further attempts that much harder. So until something changes these votes are a waste of time and resources.

This may become an even bigger problem seeing as how the bill might actually do something about the insane costs of health insurance. Seeing as how it looks like in many of the states implementing it you are seeing a drastic decrease in health insurance costs to affordable levels the act may actually gain support. I was just reading some news NY rates went down to around 55 dollars a month as opposed to the hundreds of dollars that used to be their minimum. If employers can get rates like that when the mandate comes into effect it is actually good for them too. To give you an idea that is a .34 cent an hour benefit for a FT 40 hour a week employee. When you consider tax incentives and the reality bulk insurance purchases end uip being less it really is not a terrible expense for an employer to make to comply with the law, and your FT employees get health care and can stop bitching about not having it.
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Not so.

No money, it dies. Obamacare was stupidly passed in a budget bill and it can die the same way. Look at it as one slick boy move answering another. I have no problem with it at all. After all, Obama himself has made it clear he has no intention of following the law anyway.
 
danarhea said:
Here's my problem with this. The Republicans should hold back trying to repeal Obamacare until they have the power to actually do it. For a party that claims to be against unnecessary spending, they have spent 53 million smackeroos that could either have gone someplace else, or have been used for tax cuts. Does anybody really believe that Republicans are serious about cutting the deficit now? People are not judged by the pablum puke they spew from their mouths. They are judged by what they actually do.

Very dumb. Very dumb.
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I don't even think those opposed have to repeal the whole thing - just certain elements. Doing that would be like pulling a load-barring wall from a house - the whole thing collapses.

Obamacare was a waste of time, energy and money - plenty of democrats realize this as well.
 
Mr.Nick said:
I don't even think those opposed have to repeal the whole thing - just certain elements. Doing that would be like pulling a load-barring wall from a house - the whole thing collapses.

Obamacare was a waste of time, energy and money - plenty of democrats realize this as well.
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Yes, people realize it so well that Obamacare is history........ WAIT, it isn't.
 
danarhea said:
Yes, people realize it so well that Obamacare is history........ WAIT, it isn't.
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It's not being implemented now is it? No, because anyone with a brain realizes that it will kill jobs and tank the economy even further given the requirements on businesses.

There are a lot of laws/programs that are "laws/programs" however, they're not enforced or not funded.
 
danarhea said:
Here's my problem with this. The Republicans should hold back trying to repeal Obamacare until they have the power to actually do it. For a party that claims to be against unnecessary spending, they have spent 53 million smackeroos that could either have gone someplace else, or have been used for tax cuts. Does anybody really believe that Republicans are serious about cutting the deficit now? People are not judged by the pablum puke they spew from their mouths. They are judged by what they actually do.

Very dumb. Very dumb.
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It is just partisanship just like "pablum puke" and "very dumb." I find it distasteful on both sides of the isle.
 
DVSentinel said:
Perhaps you might just want to take a look at who controlled congress, especially the house, where all funding bills must originate.

Also, those wars were nothing compared to what we spend on social programs and were a lot more necessary.
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And you also may look at whos signature signed those into law...
 
CanadaJohn said:
I don't know the details related to NY - it would be interesting to see who is eating the reduction in cost for insurance there. If the reductions are being eaten by the taxpayers of NY through insurance exchanges that artificially reduce the costs now but will eventually rise again once people buy in, that's just a fools game. If the insurance companies are eating it, I'll believe it when I see it.

As for businesses, two facts remain - if you don't provide insurance to your employees now and you will have to under the employer mandate, you will either raise the cost of your product or reduce your employee compliment or the hours they work to ensure you're under the mandate - since business is not exactly booming and competition remains fierce, I don't see raising prices to pay for insurance as a viable option - secondly, for those who do provide insurance, mostly unionized shops, unions are finding that the companies now have the option of paying the "fine" or tax at a far lesser cost to them than actually providing the insurance - that potentially leads to the loss of employer subsidized health insurance for many and that's what unions are warning about.
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Or how about this one: More (young) customers participate in group plans which could come under employer plans or via co-opts (which the exchanges sorta mimic) thereby reducing the cost of insurance further. (If you listened to the Supreme Court arguments you know this to be true.) Add to that a younger, healthier nation over time and BAM! - you could realistically eliminate Medicare in the future. Moreover, you could possibly even eliminate Supplemental Social Security Income (SSI) since most people who qualify for it automatically qualify for Medicaid. And since some state are part of the Medicaid expansion...

Nuff Said on that front.

Here an article from WashingtonPost.com that illustrates how the GOP continues to try to undermine ObamaCare. I found it to be an interesting read especially considering my wife and I have been echoing for a long time now what the author says is the best way to prove the ineffectiveness of ObamaCare.

If they really believe that the Affordable Care Act will collapse on its own — that premiums will skyrocket, that people will lose what they have now, or whatever other horrors they’ve been asserting — then there’s no reason at all for any campaign to spread misinformation about the law or to encourage anyone to “skip the exchange.” Consumers would do that on their own.
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Objective Voice said:
Or how about this one: More (young) customers participate in group plans which could come under employer plans or via co-opts (which the exchanges sorta mimic) thereby reducing the cost of insurance further. (If you listened to the Supreme Court arguments you know this to be true.) Add to that a younger, healthier nation over time and BAM! - you could realistically eliminate Medicare in the future. Moreover, you could possibly even eliminate Supplemental Social Security Income (SSI) since most people who qualify for it automatically qualify for Medicaid. And since some state are part of the Medicaid expansion...

Nuff Said on that front.

Here an article from WashingtonPost.com that illustrates how the GOP continues to try to undermine ObamaCare. I found it to be an interesting read especially considering my wife and I have been echoing for a long time now what the author says is the best way to prove the ineffectiveness of ObamaCare.
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Fair enough, but that's all just speculation. Opinions and speculation are valuable in discussion so I've go objection to your view. We'll see how it turns out.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
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In other words more mindless, votes, more votes that have no hope of going anywhere.
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Now that the 6-foot tall piece of legislation has been passed and people read the damn thing "to see what's in side" (as if it was some sort of fortune cookie) even democrats are calling bull****.

Obamacare is one of the most retarded and tyrannical pieces of legislation ever passed in the history of an organized society.

I've read several parts and Obamacare pretty much overrides our Bill of Rights and constitution.

You thought the Patriot Act was bad?? This Obamacare bull**** sounds like it came out the mouth of a totalitarian dictator.

The ****ing thing violates the constitution left and right and goes into ideas that don't even relate to health care.

Obamacare is so ****ing insane that I wouldn't doubt that "Blue Dogs" are questioning their affiliation with an insane political party (progressives).
 
Mr.Nick said:
Obamacare is one of the most retarded and tyrannical pieces of legislation ever passed in the history of an organized society.

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Damn you must not know much of history then and use the term "tyrannical" very liberally.
 
Mr.Nick said:
Now that the 6-foot tall piece of legislation has been passed and people read the damn thing "to see what's in side" (as if it was some sort of fortune cookie) even democrats are calling bull****.

Obamacare is one of the most retarded and tyrannical pieces of legislation ever passed in the history of an organized society.

I've read several parts and Obamacare pretty much overrides our Bill of Rights and constitution.

You thought the Patriot Act was bad?? This Obamacare bull**** sounds like it came out the mouth of a totalitarian dictator.

The ****ing thing violates the constitution left and right and goes into ideas that don't even relate to health care.

Obamacare is so ****ing insane that I wouldn't doubt that "Blue Dogs" are questioning their affiliation with an insane political party (progressives).
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Wait, what do you perceive as being "totalitarian" about the health care bill? None of this vague "takin are freedoms" stuff. I want specifics. How, exactly, do you perceive this bill as taking away your freedom? What effect is this going to have on what sort of health care you receive?

"Pretty much overrides out bill of rights," eh? It take away your guns? Can you not still peacefully assemble? Fair trials, due process? Troops quartered in your home? Help me out here.
 
Deuce said:
Wait, what do you perceive as being "totalitarian" about the health care bill? None of this vague "takin are freedoms" stuff. I want specifics. How, exactly, do you perceive this bill as taking away your freedom? What effect is this going to have on what sort of health care you receive?

"Pretty much overrides out bill of rights," eh? It take away your guns? Can you not still peacefully assemble? Fair trials, due process? Troops quartered in your home? Help me out here.
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I'll take the bait but my guess is you already know the answer, you just prefer to pretend it isn't so. Freedom of choice. Freedom of decision. Freedom of action. To list some. As the law stands now, you do what big brother forces you to do or you have to pay a special tax. With paying that special tax of course a person will partially lose freedom of investment and freedom of consumption because the government shook him/her down. All this will happen before big brother gets what it really wants, the single payer system. At that point, a person might as well go ahead and put a collar around his neck and attach a leash to the collar. Because that person is going to do what big brother wants from then on, no matter how stupid.
 
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