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MaggieD said:
Most people don't know anything about the case. IMO, SYG laws had absolutely nothing to do with the not guilty verdict. But it's a rallying point, so . . .

As for boycotting Florida? People don't do that. They just don't. Florida is a tourist destination and people aren't going to change vacation plans to avoid the state. If you've ever been to Florida, I think you'll find that it's not a popular tourist destination for blacks anyway. A buncha' huffin' and puffin'.
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Unfortunately, there are many Floridians whose attitude will be "thank you" for calls for African-Americans to stay out of Florida.

Can you image the response if some group in Florida was holding rallies in Florida for the purpose of declaring African-Americans were not welcomed in Florida and should stay away?
 
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Superfly said:
I would say the coastal areas more than anything. South Carolina is pretty effed up in some ways, not very "blue" friendly, but Charleston is an exception. Old, genteel, beautiful. Same as Savannah. Old money, and pretty conservative, but socially very liberal. Savannah is very gay friendly. North Carolina is more the sweet spot, in my opinion. Perfect climate, positive job growth, friendly people, low taxes. Now that you've mentioned it, I do think you are right that maybe North Carolina is what Florida yearned to be but the wealthy elderly mucked it up.

I looked into moving to Asheville once. Sometimes, I wish I had. Very artsy, and very seasonal.
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Around charlotte is a great area. SC does have more of the taint of the old bothersome ways in it more than the north, but I think it will come around. They just have to realize the true rebel south is not wrapped up in the republican party or religion.
 
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Buck Ewer said:
Bullshat...
Judge Debra Nelson words to the jury:


Juror B-37,
Let's at least get the basic facts right in this case. "Stand Your Ground" did play a huge role.
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I don't think SYG was a factor whatsoever and just because it was part of half a sentence in the jury charge doesn't change that. The comments by jurors made it clear they looked at the case rather directly and simply. Zimmerman was under serious physical attack. The photos of the injury confirmed this and those photos were commented on in why the jury reached the decision it did. There were also comments that the lead investigator for the police concluding himself it was self defense also was commented on. In short, the jury concluded GZ was under serious physical attack and shot in self defense during the violent assault of him. When someone is on the ground with another person on top, there is no opportunity to retreat - so claiming SYG was relevant is just nonsensical.
 
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The legal implications of "duty to retreat" has been used in other states for outrageously wrong convictions and it a law the declares that bullies, thieves and assailants should rule the world.
 
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Buck Ewer said:
Bullshat...
Judge Debra Nelson words to the jury:

Juror B-37,
Let's at least get the basic facts right in this case. "Stand Your Ground" did play a huge role.
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Please explain how the jury used "stand your ground" to find Zimmerman not guilty. As you know, stand your ground refers to not having a duty to retreat after violence (or the threat of violence) ensues. I don't care what the juror said. Explain its relevance in this particular case. Zimmerman did not use the stand your ground defense.

Use your head.
 
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joko104 said:
I don't think SYG was a factor whatsoever and just because it was part of half a sentence in the jury charge doesn't change that. The comments by jurors made it clear they looked at the case rather directly and simply. Zimmerman was under serious physical attack. The photos of the injury confirmed this and those photos were commented on in why the jury reached the decision it did. There were also comments that the lead investigator for the police concluding himself it was self defense also was commented on. In short, the jury concluded GZ was under serious physical attack and shot in self defense during the violent assault of him. When someone is on the ground with another person on top, there is no opportunity to retreat - so claiming SYG was relevant is just nonsensical.
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Listen to yourself ... Stand Your Ground was included in the judges charge to the jury and the jury discussed Stand Your Ground specifically in their deliberations... but you don't THINK SYG was a factor whatsoever?
Nonsensical? Yeah that's you...
 
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MaggieD said:
Please explain how the jury used "stand your ground" to find Zimmerman not guilty. As you know, stand your ground refers to not having a duty to retreat after violence (or the threat of violence) ensues. I don't care what the juror said. Explain its relevance in this particular case. Zimmerman did not use the stand your ground defense.

Use your head.
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No you use your head. The judge referred to it specifically when charging the jury and the jury referred to it when deliberating their decision to acquit.It was centeral to the jury. The defense lawyers didn't mention it that's all.
 
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Buck Ewer said:
No you use your head. The judge referred to it specifically when charging the jury and the jury referred to it when deliberating their decision to acquit.It was centeral to the jury. The defense lawyers didn't mention it that's all.
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So, in other words, you are dodging my question. Answer the damned question:

Please explain how the jury used "stand your ground" to find Zimmerman not guilty. As you know, stand your ground refers to not having a duty to retreat after violence (or the threat of violence) ensues. I don't care what the juror said. Explain its relevance in this particular case.
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Buck Ewer said:
Listen to yourself ... Stand Your Ground was included in the judges charge to the jury and the jury discussed Stand Your Ground specifically in their deliberations... but you don't THINK SYG was a factor whatsoever?
Nonsensical? Yeah that's you...
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Buck Ewer said:
No you use your head. The judge referred to it specifically when charging the jury and the jury referred to it when deliberating their decision to acquit.It was centeral to the jury. The defense lawyers didn't mention it that's all.
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MaggieD said:
So, in other words, you are dodging my question. Answer the damned question:
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Please explain how the jury used "stand your ground" to find Zimmerman not guilty. As you know, stand your ground refers to not having a duty to retreat after violence (or the threat of violence) ensues. I don't care what the juror said. Explain its relevance in this particular case.
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I haven't so clearly left a DPer speechless in a long time.

Thanks.
 
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Kal'Stang said:
I think its freaking rediculous that Holder is trying to go after Zimmerman for "civil rights violations". To include this....I don't think there's an appropriate word for it. People need to get a freaking grip.
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Its a joke.....this Assembleywoman from California doesn't know to much about the case and yet she is off and out into the Public speaking on the matter. I don't care how much TV she watched. She has no Right to be out in the public trying to influence people to believe there was something wrong with the outcome of the Law in another state.

Florida's Laws don't affect those in California, unless they own some property or some business down in Florida. So why is there comments coming from Pols all over the Country.

If they got a problem with things. take their asses and moved down to Florida and then talk about changing their Laws. After they have lived there to know what the hell is going on.
 
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I don't care what the juror said. Explain its relevance in this particular case.
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That the judge included Stand Your Ground in her charge to the jury and the jury subsequently discussed Stand Your Ground in their deliberations to acquit...
That makes it relevant to this particular case.
Do you have any idea how silly you sound asking that question?
 
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MMC said:
A California lawmaker is calling on Golden State residents to think "think twice" before spending time and money in Florida after a jury's acquittal of neighborhood watchman George Zimmerman in the killing of unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin.
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I felt a great wrong was done in the acquittal of Zimmerman. However, I am not lending my support to any boycott of Florida.

We usually spend a week in the Keys every winter and we have no plans to change this now. Florida is filled with great people, great businesses and is a wonderful place to visit. I do not think it is fair to try and hurt people who had nothing to do with the law which helped produce the verdict in this case.

Come February, we expect to be dining oceanside in the Keys. And in the meantime, I will continue to criticize what I believe is a bad law and a bad decision.
 
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haymarket said:
I felt a great wrong was done in the acquittal of Zimmerman. However, I am not lending my support to any boycott of Florida.

We usually spend a week in the Keys every winter and we have no plans to change this now. Florida is filled with great people, great businesses and is a wonderful place to visit. I do not think it is fair to try and hurt people who had nothing to do with the law which helped produce the verdict in this case.

Come February, we expect to be dining oceanside in the Keys. And in the meantime, I will continue to criticize what I believe is a bad law and a bad decision.
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Depending on how you want to believe the evidence in the case, not sure where someone who was legally carrying a gun would be convicted using it in the situation Zimmerman was in.

I am somewhat surprised in your reaction to the verdict. I understand you to be civic minded. Zimmerman was on community watch, which I would not do because of the danger. he was willing to follow someone, who could ( and did) clearly beat the s*** out of him. If you want to say that he should have waited until his skull was broken or he was beaten to death before pulling his weapon, I just don't understand that. I do not have any type of weapon and never have so please don't go down the NRA meme.

If he were not killed the Martin person could/ should have been arrested for assault. My sense is that was the only crime committed that sad night.
 
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Superfly said:
I looked into moving to Asheville once. Sometimes, I wish I had. Very artsy, and very seasonal.
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I live in Asheville. For me, it's the sweet spot. You get a little bit of every season, but not too much of any one. I've lived in south carolina where it gets balls hot in the summer and I grew up in Wisconsin where the opposite happens. It's nice to have a little winter, and a decent summer. Falls are beautiful. I'm not artsy at all, so Asheville's artistic reputation isn't important to me. It's just a great climate, beautiful scenery, traffic isn't bad at all. It's a city, but it doesn't overwhelm you. And nature is all around you. The city didn't overtake it's natural surroundings. Most people that live in Asheville aren't from Asheville, so it's a hodgepodge of people from different places, and most everybody is friendly. The only unfriendly people are usually some of the anti-tourist punks. Just drugged up kids who think people coming here to see the city is somehow offensive. But the worst they do is yell at people to go home, or flip off the tourist buses. It's not like they go around mugging tourists.
 
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haymarket said:
I felt a great wrong was done in the acquittal of Zimmerman. However, I am not lending my support to any boycott of Florida.

We usually spend a week in the Keys every winter and we have no plans to change this now. Florida is filled with great people, great businesses and is a wonderful place to visit. I do not think it is fair to try and hurt people who had nothing to do with the law which helped produce the verdict in this case.

Come February, we expect to be dining oceanside in the Keys. And in the meantime, I will continue to criticize what I believe is a bad law and a bad decision.
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I would Disagree with you HM on the Zimmermann case. Agree with you about Florida.

My concern is all these Loud Mouth Politicians that want to throw themselves up into the mix. Act like the problem is theirs and they can Identify. Which is a crock of ****. They were elected to SERVE their People and their states. Not Florida not any issues coming out of Florida that doesn't affect their state.

They need to be made to pay the price. Both the Media and any of the Pols, Race baiters Sharptones and Jesse Jackson the Wannabe Gangbanger that found Jesus when he was getting his ass kicked. No need to allow them to run around the Country cause chaos and turmoil over their own personal feelings.
 
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MMC said:
A California lawmaker is calling on Golden State residents to think "think twice" before spending time and money in Florida after a jury's acquittal of neighborhood watchman George Zimmerman in the killing of unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin.

Assemblymember Chris Holden (D-Pasadena), along with the California Legislative Black Caucus, announced plans Wednesday for a resolution calling for a boycott of Florida, which Holden said has a Stand Your Ground law that encourages vigilantism.

The calls for a Florida boycott by Holden and the Legislative Black Caucus add to a wave of anger that has grown since Zimmerman's acquittal Saturday. A day after the jury's verdict, singer Stevie Wonder told a crowd he wouldn't perform in Florida or any state with Stand Your Ground gun laws until they were repealed. Martin Luther King III suggested consumers boycott Florida orange juice.

A petition on the progressive site MoveOn.org calls for people to refrain from traveling to Florida until Stand Your Ground is repealed.....snip~

Florida Boycott Resolution Proposed By Chris Holden, California Assemblymember

So the politicians from another state are going to tell people to Boycott Florida. A vacation hot spot.....(also in competition with California over that industry). Do you think this Politician deserves to be re-elected? Shouldn't this individual be about representing the people of California? Why is she off into another states business? Why is the Black Caucus from another state allowed to interfere in another states Rights?

Just what is the Progressive site MoveOn.org.....trying to stir up in this country? Should they be telling people around the country not to go to Florida or States with Stand your Ground Laws?
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This is laughable!! A state whose primary industry (entertainment) is overflowing with multiple partner marriages (if they marry at all) , babies out of wedlock, give children names that could only have been derived from a drug induced stupor... lifetime memberships at detox centers, a list of DUI's and DWI's that will make your head spin, is preaching to a state that followed the law, provided a fair trial and was acquitted by a jury of his peers???? AYFKM!!!!!!
 
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MMC said:
I would Disagree with you HM on the Zimmermann case. Agree with you about Florida.

My concern is all these Loud Mouth Politicians that want to throw themselves up into the mix. Act like the problem is theirs and they can Identify. Which is a crock of ****. They were elected to SERVE their People and their states. Not Florida not any issues coming out of Florida that doesn't affect their state.

They need to be made to pay the price. Both the Media and any of the Pols, Race baiters Sharptones and Jesse Jackson the Wannabe Gangbanger that found Jesus when he was getting his ass kicked. No need to allow them to run around the Country cause chaos and turmoil over their own personal feelings.
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So what price do they need to "pay" and how is that going to happen? A boycott is as American as apple pie and goes back to our revolutionary days before the USA was ever born.
 
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Woodman909 said:
This is laughable!! A state whose primary industry (entertainment) is overflowing with multiple partner marriages (if they marry at all) , babies out of wedlock, give children names that could only have been derived from a drug induced stupor... lifetime memberships at detox centers, a list of DUI's and DWI's that will make your head spin, is preaching to a state that followed the law, provided a fair trial and was acquitted by a jury of his peers???? AYFKM!!!!!!
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Well and most of Obama's Major Financial backing comes up out of there. Imagine that. See there should have been a reporter there that could have put this Pol Right on the Spot. Even afterwards and the Camera cuts off. I would have told her.....now I am going to make you the laughing stock of the country. Bet next time you will keep that damn big mouth of yours shut. When it don't have nothing to do with you or your people. Thanks for proving to the Country why you shouldn't be in any Elected office.
 
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haymarket said:
So what price do they need to "pay" and how is that going to happen? A boycott is as American as apple pie and goes back to our revolutionary days before the USA was ever born.
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A severe one.....since talking, taking them thru the courts don't work, plus nothing else has worked up until this point. What other option is there? They only need to know the significance of the Term. Or else!
 
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MMC said:
A California lawmaker is calling on Golden State residents to think "think twice" before spending time and money in Florida after a jury's acquittal of neighborhood watchman George Zimmerman in the killing of unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin.

Assemblymember Chris Holden (D-Pasadena), along with the California Legislative Black Caucus, announced plans Wednesday for a resolution calling for a boycott of Florida, which Holden said has a Stand Your Ground law that encourages vigilantism.

The calls for a Florida boycott by Holden and the Legislative Black Caucus add to a wave of anger that has grown since Zimmerman's acquittal Saturday. A day after the jury's verdict, singer Stevie Wonder told a crowd he wouldn't perform in Florida or any state with Stand Your Ground gun laws until they were repealed. Martin Luther King III suggested consumers boycott Florida orange juice.

A petition on the progressive site MoveOn.org calls for people to refrain from traveling to Florida until Stand Your Ground is repealed.....snip~

Florida Boycott Resolution Proposed By Chris Holden, California Assemblymember

So the politicians from another state are going to tell people to Boycott Florida. A vacation hot spot.....(also in competition with California over that industry). Do you think this Politician deserves to be re-elected? Shouldn't this individual be about representing the people of California? Why is she off into another states business? Why is the Black Caucus from another state allowed to interfere in another states Rights?

Just what is the Progressive site MoveOn.org.....trying to stir up in this country? Should they be telling people around the country not to go to Florida or States with Stand your Ground Laws?
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Let's take a close look.... Florida is boycotted.... revenue declines.... the tax base withdraws.... what do you get...? I know... DETROIT!!!!
 
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Woodman909 said:
Let's take a close look.... Florida is boycotted.... revenue declines.... the tax base withdraws.... what do you get...? I know... DETROIT!!!!
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Or worse.....Illinois! :lol: Where not only are Businesses moving out but so to the people. :shock:

Good news tho for all those on the left.....due to the 96Billion Pension problem. Chicago and Illinois will raise taxes again. Which they just got done doing. Oh those Old promises, huh. Wherein they will say it will be on the Wealthy. But you know the real deal and who it is going to land on.

But that's okay they have time today to take off and hold a rally for Zimmermann to be tried for Civil Rights abuse.
 
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Superfly said:
I didn't see you wave when you drove by. Did you forget??
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I waved, didn't you see me? :2wave: I drove down on a Friday and back up on a Monday on I-95, really close to where you live. [Then a couple days later I drove to St. Augustine on a separate trip. But for that trip we went down I-75, I-10, I-295 route. I had to get in my beach time this summer. It is a requirement in my world. :)]
 
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Buck Ewer said:
That the judge included Stand Your Ground in her charge to the jury and the jury subsequently discussed Stand Your Ground in their deliberations to acquit... That makes it relevant to this particular case. Do you have any idea how silly you sound asking that question?
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Explain the relevance of the law. How did it apply to Zimmerman?? How did THIS jury instruction apply to Zimmerman/Martin? --

If George Zimmerman was not engaged in an unlawful activity and was attacked in any place where he had a right to be, he had no duty to retreat and had the right to stand his ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he reasonably believed that it was necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.
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What is wrong with you?

Perhaps Haymarket, who Liked your post, would like to step in and explain. Haymarket? How did the above jury instruction relate to Zimmerman's actions that night?
 
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WI Crippler said:
I live in Asheville. For me, it's the sweet spot. You get a little bit of every season, but not too much of any one. I've lived in south carolina where it gets balls hot in the summer and I grew up in Wisconsin where the opposite happens. It's nice to have a little winter, and a decent summer. Falls are beautiful. I'm not artsy at all, so Asheville's artistic reputation isn't important to me. It's just a great climate, beautiful scenery, traffic isn't bad at all. It's a city, but it doesn't overwhelm you. And nature is all around you. The city didn't overtake it's natural surroundings. Most people that live in Asheville aren't from Asheville, so it's a hodgepodge of people from different places, and most everybody is friendly. The only unfriendly people are usually some of the anti-tourist punks. Just drugged up kids who think people coming here to see the city is somehow offensive. But the worst they do is yell at people to go home, or flip off the tourist buses. It's not like they go around mugging tourists.
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:lol: well, I guess everybody has to have a hobby.
 
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MaggieD said:
Explain the relevance of the law. How did it apply to Zimmerman?? How did THIS jury instruction apply to Zimmerman/Martin? --



What is wrong with you?

Perhaps Haymarket, who Liked your post, would like to step in and explain. Haymarket? How did the above jury instruction relate to Zimmerman's actions that night?
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Whether it did or not the jury PERCEIVED it to be pertinent enough to refer to Stand your ground in their deliberations. If the law didn't exist they would not anything to refer to.
It is impossible for you to say that Stand Your Ground did not apply in this case. The instant it was mentioned it came into play and effected the outcome. The defense chose not to use it outright but it became part of the trial when it was mentioned by the Judge in her instructions.
 
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