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GOP bill would defund schools with rules against playing with imaginary guns

Really? Where in the consitution is that? Is it ok to force a "gay agenda" (as the right calls it) as well?

When it comes to accepting federal funding, they apply rules. You're playing "naive" when you know this can and has been done.

Do you honestly support these type of zero tolerance rules in schools? Does it not bother you they refuse to change them despite public outcry?
 
When it comes to accepting federal funding, they apply rules. You're playing "naive" when you know this can and has been done.

Do you honestly support these type of zero tolerance rules in schools? Does it not bother you they refuse to change them despite public outcry?

Yes, I don't like Zero tolerance rules. But this law isn't targeting Zero tolerance rules, it is tolerating ONE Zero Tolerance rule.

However, it is a local matter for the people of that community to handle. Not a Federal issue.
 
The ONLY reason this country has a 21 year old drinking age and a .08 legal blood alcohol limit is because the Fed threatened to cut off highway funding to states that didn't comply.

Did you have a problem with it when that happened?

Actually, I think it is dumb. You're an adult at 18 when it comes to voting, being in the military, screwing, buying smokes....But for beer you have to be 21.
 
The ONLY reason this country has a 21 year old drinking age and a .08 legal blood alcohol limit is because the Fed threatened to cut off highway funding to states that didn't comply. Did you have a problem with it when that happened?

First the drinking age/blood alcohol limit and don't forget 55mph speed limit had BIPARTISAN support in both house and Senate- you talk like this has a snow ball's chance in hell of becoming a federal law. :roll:

It doesn't matter what you think, or I think- it matters what both houses of Congress think and does the Supreme Court say it is Constitutional.

But again it is odd the 'small government' hates gubmint overreach, and loves them some states rights folks are quick to abandon their principles when they see a stunt to gain publicity. :doh
 
Why aren't school boards allowed to make local rules? I guess national education is a Republican goal now.[/QUOTE

Despite occassionally hearing some noise about the federal take over of education from GOP figures, the Republican establishment hasn't seriously opposed federal involvement in education in quite some time. In fact, they have expanded it (see No Child Left Behind). As for this particular bill, cutting off the lure of federal dollars is a guaranteed way to make schools drop these ridiculous policies. No school is going to risk being cut off from the federal teet over zero tolerance.

So while I truly wish we could go back to state and local controlled (and funded) education, if we are going to blindly pump federal dollars into the education system this is one of the less objectionable strings they could attach to it.
 
So the answer is defund the schools hurting the kids education?

Right up until the schools recind the rules, absolutely. Or maybe they should just stop paying all administrators and teachers so long as the rules are in place. That would work immediately.
 
Why aren't school boards allowed to make local rules? I guess national education is a Republican goal now.

To some degree, it should be. Reality doesn't change from school district to school district and if the point of public education is to teach students the facts, then one school board, made up of local parents and largely uneducated, shouldn't be able to vote to teach creationism in the classroom or block sex ed or whatever. The whole point of having a public educational system in the first place is to produce educated and productive members of society. There's no point in not having a minimal curriculum that everyone has to learn and if local boards want to teach above and beyond that, fine.
 
How else would you remove these draconian and downright stupid rules from schools? .

So you punish everyone. How so very draconian and downright stupid.
 
So you punish everyone. How so very draconian and downright stupid.

Educate yourself, there would be no "punishment" if the rules are removed. The outcome would be solely up to the school boards and administrations. Not sure why so many aren't getting this.
 
Read more: GOP bill would defund schools with rules against playing with imaginary guns - The Hill's Floor Action

[/FONT][/COLOR][h=5]Ok so i think those "zero tolerance" rules are a bit drastic when it comes to "playing" with imaginary guns but i also think this bill is also a bit drastic supporting defunding of these schools that have these rules.[/h]




I'd like to see the elimination of socialized schools altogether, as they rely on the forcible taking of other people's property. Congress should defund ALL schools.
 
Or we will destroy your school by not funding it.. Correct?

No...you will destroy schools by putting an unconstitutional agenda ahead of actuall educating the students. School are to teach kids how to think, not what to think.
 
Educate yourself, there would be no "punishment" if the rules are removed. The outcome would be solely up to the school boards and administrations. Not sure why so many aren't getting this.

Because they're liberals?
 
Because they're liberals?

Are all these school boards and administrations liberal? I have no idea. Oh wait, you're assuming my position is based on linear politics in lieu of right and wrong. You're clearly mistaken.
 
Are all these school boards and administrations liberal? I have no idea. Oh wait, you're assuming my position is based on linear politics in lieu of right and wrong. You're clearly mistaken.

Liberals are the majority in education and administration. I did a story a couple of days ago and the studies suggest that, at least among universities, liberals make up more than 70% of professors and staff. Conservatives make up 15%.

You do the math.
 
So the answer is defund the schools hurting the kids education?

We have laws to defund schools that refuse to have women's sport teams where there is a men's. Except that never ends up happening because the schools actually follow the rules rather when there is the potential loss of money involved. No one's education would get hurt, school boards would scrap those rules in 2 seconds if their funding was at stake.
 
Liberals are the majority in education and administration. I did a story a couple of days ago and the studies suggest that, at least among universities, liberals make up more than 70% of professors and staff. Conservatives make up 15%.

You do the math.

Regardless, not sure what political affiliation has do with it. The zero tolerance rules are wrong, doesn't matter what the ideology of those that proposed them are.

Are you OK with a kid being suspended for playing cops and robbers, making a gun shaped pop tart or brining in a 1 inch toy gun or neon colored nerf gun from home? These rules are absurd and those that administer them refuse to yield.
 
We need a "No victim, NO crime" constitutional amendment.
 
Regardless, not sure what political affiliation has do with it. The zero tolerance rules are wrong, doesn't matter what the ideology of those that proposed them are.

I don't agree with that. Do you think zero tolerance for murder is a bad thing? Where it becomes a problem is when they have zero tolerance for something that is legal to do outside of school. That's stupid.

Are you OK with a kid being suspended for playing cops and robbers, making a gun shaped pop tart or brining in a 1 inch toy gun or neon colored nerf gun from home? These rules are absurd and those that administer them refuse to yield.

Which is why we need to present the administrators with a choice. Either stop with the stupid rules or don't get paid.
 
I don't agree with that. Do you think zero tolerance for murder is a bad thing? Where it becomes a problem is when they have zero tolerance for something that is legal to do outside of school. That's stupid.

We're talking about the zero tolerance rules for schools in regards to toy guns, pretend shooting, etc...who the hell is talking about murder?!?


Which is why we need to present the administrators with a choice. Either stop with the stupid rules or don't get paid.

Thats exactly what this does. The bill being proposed is "get rid of these stupid zero tolerance laws (regarding kids playing fake gun games, making fake guns out of other objects, nerf or toy guns, t-shirst, etc) or lose your funding."
 
We're talking about the zero tolerance rules for schools in regards to toy guns, pretend shooting, etc...who the hell is talking about murder?!?

You didn't specify, you just said "zero tolerance rules". There are lots of zero tolerance rules that are perfectly fine, there's no reason to be against all of them, just the idiotic ones.

Thats exactly what this does. The bill being proposed is "get rid of these stupid zero tolerance laws (regarding kids playing fake gun games, making fake guns out of other objects, nerf or toy guns, t-shirst, etc) or lose your funding."

I find that perfectly acceptable.
 
You didn't specify, you just said "zero tolerance rules". There are lots of zero tolerance rules that are perfectly fine, there's no reason to be against all of them, just the idiotic ones.

I didn't specify because the topic of the thread is the zero tolerance laws schools use to condition kids to think guns of any kind including fake ones are bad. Thats the sole purpose of these rules to begin with.

Personally, I'd lose my friggin mind and consider a lawsuit if this happened to one of my kids.
 
Personally, I'd lose my friggin mind and consider a lawsuit if this happened to one of my kids.

I wouldn't consider it, I'd file one immediately, not only against the school district and school, but against all of the teachers and administrators involved personally.
 
We're talking about the zero tolerance rules for schools in regards to toy guns, pretend shooting, etc...who the hell is talking about murder?!?

Thats exactly what this does. The bill being proposed is "get rid of these stupid zero tolerance laws (regarding kids playing fake gun games, making fake guns out of other objects, nerf or toy guns, t-shirst, etc) or lose your funding."

More to the point, I think, is this. The job of schools is to educate children. The money that the federal government gives to schools is to be used for this purpose—educating children.

Brainwashing and indoctrinating children is not educating them. In fact, it runs counter to the purpose of educating them. To accept money that is supposed to be used for one purpose, in exchange for supposedly fulfilling that purpose, and then to use it instead to carry out an opposing purpose, is fraud and malfeasance.

If you take your car in to get the oil changed, you pay for an oil change,and instead of changing the oil, they break the windows and scratch the paint, and return the car to you this damaged, and still with the same oil that it had in the first place, did they legitimately earn the money that you paid them for an oil change?

That is what schools are doing that accept money from any source for the purpose of educating children, and then instead use it to engage in this sort of brainwashing and indoctrination.
 
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