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John Boehner: No House vote on Senate immigration bill

Carleen said:
So they put together a bi-partisan committee and the House Repugs still say no. What a joke they have become.
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When you have a party who gets elected saying they hate government, no action and obstruction is par for the course.

You hire people to run a government that believe the government's purpose is bad at its root, you get a badly run government. A self fulfilling prophecy.
 
Threegoofs said:
When you have a party who gets elected saying they hate government, no action and obstruction is par for the course.

You hire people to run a government that believe the government's purpose is bad at its root, you get a badly run government. A self fulfilling prophecy.
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I don;t know where you get that bulls--t. What I said is exactly what is happening on immigration.
 
Carleen said:
So they put together a bi-partisan committee and the House Repugs still say no. What a joke they have become.
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If a bipartisan committee came up with, say, a comprehensive plan to reform taxes by lowering rates on the rich and corporations, eliminate tax credits and deductions, would you call the President a joke when he ignores it?
 
jonny5 said:
If a bipartisan committee came up with, say, a comprehensive plan to reform taxes by lowering rates on the rich and corporations, eliminate tax credits and deductions, would you call the President a joke when he ignores it?
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He doesn't get to vote.
 
jonny5 said:
If a bipartisan committee came up with, say, a comprehensive plan to reform taxes by lowering rates on the rich and corporations, eliminate tax credits and deductions, would you call the President a joke when he ignores it?
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Lowering taxes is how we got $17 Trillion in debt, so no.
 
iguanaman said:
Lowering taxes is how we got $17 Trillion in debt, so no.
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If that is so (it's not even close to the truth, it is in fact total fiction), you would have to say it's way past time for the 47% that don't pay any income taxes to step up and pay at least some, right? That's a huge part of the population that has no incentives except to expect government to do more and more for them at no cost to them.
 
ItAin'tFree said:
If that is so (it's not even close to the truth, it is in fact total fiction), you would have to say it's way past time for the 47% that don't pay any income taxes to step up and pay at least some, right? That's a huge part of the population that has no incentives except to expect government to do more and more for them at no cost to them.
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You mean get the elderly on Social Security and the people with hardly any income to pay more?

Don't think that makes a whole lotta sense.

http://www.newrepublic.com/blog/plank/108817/anatomy-the-47-percent
 
ItAin'tFree said:
If that is so (it's not even close to the truth, it is in fact total fiction), you would have to say it's way past time for the 47% that don't pay any income taxes to step up and pay at least some, right? That's a huge part of the population that has no incentives except to expect government to do more and more for them at no cost to them.
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If you mean give everyone raises so they pay taxes again I would applaud that. But taking tax money from those that spend it all in the economy would be economic suicide as all that money would come right out of GDP. That's why we tax income NOT spent at higher rate, it's those top 5% who sock away nearly all their income that are a drag on the system. Raising taxes on them will not affect their spending only their hedge fund contributions.
 
jonny5 said:
Do you have anything to add to these discussions besides rhetoric?
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not only can I, this in fact was not rhetoric ... your inability to tell the difference should not be placed on my shoulders jonny ... let's be fair now ... from the beginning GOP Reps/Sens decided to do everything they could to prevent the president from succeeding instead of doing the people's work ... McConnell even said that their number one goal was to defeat the president, not to fix the economy, create jobs, etc. ...

I know that one of the plays in the con playbook is to paint people in a certain way to try to discredit them ... for example, the president is a Muslim, he's Kenyan, he wasn't born here, etc. ... you guys do it with other posters, as you're trying to do with me here ... since we're buddies, just a heads up that you're wasting your time with me ..
 
jonny5 said:
Do you have anything to add to these discussions besides rhetoric?
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By rhetoric, I assume you mean the definition of insincere speech designed to move an audience.

But the post was spot on. The Houses main goal is to obstruct, because the majority caucus is too dysfunctional to do anything but that. That's why they repeatedly pass bills repealing Obamacare and budgets that are designed to go nowhere.
 
jonny5 said:
How is that relevant? The House is ignoring something they dont like. Obama is ignoring plenty of things he doesnt like. Hypocrasy, thy name is Carleen.
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Exactly what is hypocrasy?
 
Threegoofs said:
By rhetoric, I assume you mean the definition of insincere speech designed to move an audience.

But the post was spot on. The Houses main goal is to obstruct, because the majority caucus is too dysfunctional to do anything but that. That's why they repeatedly pass bills repealing Obamacare and budgets that are designed to go nowhere.
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The main goal of the Senate is to obstruct the House. Thats why they ignore everything the House passes. Im agreeing with you! But at least im fair. If you liberals would spend as much time attacking your own party as you do the opposition over the exact same behavior, then maybe something would change.
 
jonny5 said:
Hypocrasy is criticizing the Republicans for doing something which the Democrats also do.
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I didn't recognize the word. But I certainly know what hypocracy is.
 
jonny5 said:
But at least im fair. If you liberals would spend as much time attacking your own party as you do the opposition over the exact same behavior, then maybe something would change.
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If you conservatives would spend as much time attacking your own party as you do the opposition over the exact same behavior, then maybe something would change.
 
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