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Edward Snowden Asylum To Be Offered By Venezuela,President Nicolás Maduro Says[W:271]

Edward Snowden Asylum To Be Offered By Venezuela,President Nicolás Maduro Says[

Why, did he also ask for asylum from the oppressive dictatorship that controls Mars?

Because he knew that due to geopolitics that he would not be sent back to be accountable for his crimes if he went to the likes of Russia, China and Venezuela.
 
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Look at the 4th amendment, protection against unlawful search and seizures.

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

Let me break this down. First, its the right to be "...secure in [our] persons, houses, papers and effects..." Metadata is like me watching you talk to somebody, and taking note of that. It isn't intruding physically into our houses, persons, nor is it reading our papers or going through our effects.

"...Searches and seizures..." Metadata is neither taking anything from us, nor is it searching anything that belongs to anyone. It's observing interactions taking place. It is not a search because its intent is not to check what we're saying.

"...Particularly describing the places to be searched..." Imagine that all our electronic interactions are moved into a physical realm. Our personal data would be stuff we carry on us. Our text messages and so forth (the words in the conversations) are like two people talking face to face.

And metadata is like us walking up to someone and shaking their hand, waving at them, or hugging them. But even less so, because hugging vs. shaking hands tells us how close the two people are. Metadata doesn't even do that. It does nothing more than show us who is talking to whom. Not what the contents of the conversation are, nor does it provide us with any information about the people themselves.

I don't think that the entire process is fully constitutional, however. If there is one link in the chain I'm worried about, it is the process by which the DOJ gives the NSA a warrant to probe into the individuals they've observed. I don't know much about this process. I don't know what the checks and balances are, what the requirements are, all I know is that over 95% of 500 requests have been granted.

If everyone wants to pick something about PRISM that's shady, this is the thing to go after and demand accountability for. Sure, it's creepy to think that the government is watching to see who we all talk to, but there's nothing unconstitutional about it. The DOJ giving out warrants to basically every person the NSA is remotely interested in is the worrying thing about all this, and I hope you all realize that.

All of that is opinion, it interests me not at all...no offense.

I asked for link(s) to unbiased, factual proof.

Precedent setting court cases, unbiased data/facts, etc..


Btw:

'meta·da·ta noun plural but singular or plural in construction \-ˈdā-tə, -ˈda- also -ˈdä-\

Definition of METADATA

: data that provides information about other data'


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/metadata


Metadata IS data...like the contents of a person's 'papers and effects'.

Knowing who someone spoke to, when, for how long IS clearly a violation of the 4'th Amendment, imo.

I will not debate this.


However, I will examine link(s) to unbiased, factual proof that shows otherwise...NOT opinions, facts.
 
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All of that is opinion, it interests me not at all...no offense.

I asked for link(s) to unbiased, factual proof.

Precedent setting court cases, unbiased data/facts, etc..

Btw:

'meta·da·ta noun plural but singular or plural in construction \-ˈdā-tə, -ˈda- also -ˈdä-\

Definition of METADATA

: data that provides information about other data'


Metadata - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

Metadata IS data...like the contents of a person's 'papers and effects'.

Knowing who someone spoke to, when, for how long IS clearly a violation of the 4'th Amendment, imo.

I will not debate this.

However, I will examine link(s) to unbiased, factual proof that shows otherwise...NOT opinions, facts.

There isn't much higher court precedent on metadata, but the Arizona Supreme Court ruled in 2009 that metadata is part of the public record. This supports the analogy I presented in my previous post.

Furthermore, this article explains how metadata law has evolved from the "pen register vs. wiretap distinction." Notice that many of the analogies in this article run parallel to my own.
 
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There isn't much higher court precedent on metadata, but the Arizona Supreme Court ruled in 2009 that metadata is part of the public record. This supports the analogy I presented in my previous post.

Furthermore, this article explains how metadata law has evolved from the "pen register vs. wiretap distinction." Notice that many of the analogies in this article run parallel to my own.

Arizona Supreme Court is not federal. I meant FEDERAL court rulings.

And the article is just opinion...does not interest me in the least.

Forcing phone companies to release data on private phone calls without a warrant is against the 4th Amendment.

http://www.policymic.com/articles/4...rst-and-fourth-amendments-of-the-constitution

And I am confident this will be proven in court whenever it eventually gets to the Supreme Court.


Have a nice day.
 
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Edward Snowden Asylum To Be Offered By Venezuela,President Nicolás Maduro Says[

Arizona Supreme Court is not federal. I meant FEDERAL court rulings.

And the article is just opinion...does not interest me in the least.

Forcing phone companies to release data on private phone calls without a warrant is against the 4th Amendment.

http://www.policymic.com/articles/4...rst-and-fourth-amendments-of-the-constitution

And I am confident this will be proven in court whenever it eventually gets to the Supreme Court.


Have a nice day.

Regherb vs Paulk @ SCOTUS

I gave you this already but it won't sink...by choice I assume
 
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Regherb vs Paulk @ SCOTUS

I gave you this already but it won't sink...by choice I assume

I didn't see it.

Where is the link...I have a life...I am not tracking down your 'proof'.
 
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I don't see that..anyhow.
Posted by Mr. Invisible on page 28.
Why Didn’t Snowden Go through “Proper Channels” to Blow the Whistle? | Washington's Blog


Instead he took advantage of his clearance and position to get deeper into the Gov's treasure chest of secrets; he moved onto Dell and then Booz because he was filtering out how to get right to the source, which he did in his last position at Booz. He kept digging his way into the NSA by digging himself deeper and deeper into the infrastructure. When he found what he wanted, he stole it and fled the country.

None of this having anything to do with whether or not he was a whistleblower or whether or not the program was unconstitutional.

There is nothing honorable about stealing; furthermore, there is nothing more cowardly than picking a fight and running.

I don't deal in absolutes.
 
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Why, did he also ask for asylum from the oppressive dictatorship that controls Mars?

Don't change your wording. You clearly stated that he DEFECTED TO Venezuela. That is false.
 
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This isn't about a literal definition in the dictionary for whether or not it would apply is subjective. Who says the NSA is wrong, you? What if I don't? Then it doesn't apply?

Whether or not he receives whistleblower status is based in applicable laws and legal protocol not the dictionary's literal definition.

He is a whistleblower...by definition.


Have a nice day.
 
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There is nothing honorable about stealing; furthermore, there is nothing more cowardly than picking a fight and running.

Really?

So raping a child isn't more cowardly then what Snowden did?

Interesting.

What Snowden did is leak highly classified information, and illegal act, and overrode an entire system of government's check and balances as it relates to the program's of the NSA.
Isn't it wonderful?

SNOWDEN...SNOWDEN...SNOWDEN...

Is he so mighty and superior that he alone is to decide what is and shouldn't be kept secret by the government??

Yup...apparently.

He did the brave and honorable thing here.

He exposed cowardly and un-Constitutional acts.


Have a nice day.
 
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Since I know some of you probably won't click the link here's some of the info:

What happened to NSA whistleblower Thomas Drake when he went through the 'proper channels':

I differed as a whistleblower to Snowden only in this respect: in accordance with the Intelligence Community Whistleblower Protection Act, I took my concerns up within the chain of command, to the very highest levels at the NSA, and then to Congress and the Department of Defense. I understand why Snowden has taken his course of action, because he’s been following this for years: he’s seen what’s happened to other whistleblowers like me.

By following protocol, you get flagged – just for raising issues. You’re identified as someone they don’t like, someone not to be trusted. I was exposed early on because I was a material witness for two 9/11 congressional investigations. In closed testimony, I told them everything I knew – about Stellar Wind, billions of dollars in fraud, waste and abuse, and the critical intelligence, which the NSA had but did not disclose to other agencies, preventing vital action against known threats. If that intelligence had been shared, it may very well have prevented 9/11.

But as I found out later, none of the material evidence I disclosed went into the official record. It became a state secret even to give information of this kind to the 9/11 investigation.

Why Didn’t Snowden Go through “Proper Channels” to Blow the Whistle? | Washington's Blog
 
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In interview, three former NSA whistleblowers speak out in support for Snowden:
3 NSA veterans speak out on whistle-blower: We told you so

So after hearing their stories, I would like to hear how you guys think Snowden could have expected to go through any 'proper channels' and not see the information covered up.
 
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Don't change your wording. You clearly stated that he DEFECTED TO Venezuela. That is false.

He defected to Venezuela, not Mars.
 
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Regherb vs Paulk @ SCOTUS

I gave you this already but it won't sink...by choice I assume

It's basically not worth arguing with these people. It's this kind of punk college kid rebel-without-a-clue mentality that makes them entirely impervious to reason or logic. They will argue the letter of the law when it suits them, then turn around and forget the law entirely when it doesn't.

And patriotism? Forget about it, they think that's for squares. They just don't like authority for its own sake, there is no principle underpinning their argument, just a mindless hatred of legitimate rules and legitimate authority. I would speculate that a lot of it stems from marijuana-induced paranoia.
 
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He defected to Venezuela, not Mars.

No, he did not. Stop lying.
 
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Arizona Supreme Court is not federal. I meant FEDERAL court rulings.

Nonexistent

And the article is just opinion...does not interest me in the least.

If you think it's opinion, you either didn't read it or read the first bits and assumed it was entirely opinion. The source provides background on federal court rulings that will clearly decide whether tracking metadata is constitutional or not. Given the history of the pen register vs. wiretap distinction, it seems that metadata is constitutional.

Forcing phone companies to release data on private phone calls without a warrant is against the 4th Amendment.

Opinion, therefore irrelevant :)


Then you'll just have to wait and see if you're right or wrong. Until then, I suppose you'll have to content yourself with researching background information.

And I am confident this will be proven in court whenever it eventually gets to the Supreme Court.


Have a nice day.

Again, we shall see. The history of this issue is decidedly against your position on it.
 
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Really?

So raping a child isn't more cowardly then what Snowden did?

Interesting.

First, it's absolutely ridiculous you'd even say that at all. I can't even fathom why you chose to go there. This really doesn't fly DA60.

Second, raping a child is not cowardly as much as it is heinous. You like definitions, here's one for you:

cow·ard
/ˈkouərd/
Noun
A person who lacks the courage to do or endure dangerous or unpleasant things.
Adjective
Excessively afraid of danger or pain.
 
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It's basically not worth arguing with these people. It's this kind of punk college kid rebel-without-a-clue mentality that makes them entirely impervious to reason or logic. They will argue the letter of the law when it suits them, then turn around and forget the law entirely when it doesn't.

I find it quite sad that, as someone who has debated with reason and logic in the past, you have resorted to trolling and lies in this thread.
 
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He is a whistleblower...by definition.


Have a nice day.

You're missing the point.
 
Edward Snowden Asylum To Be Offered By Venezuela,President Nicolás Maduro Says[

Really?

So raping a child isn't more cowardly then what Snowden did?

Interesting.

Isn't it wonderful?

SNOWDEN...SNOWDEN...SNOWDEN...



Yup...apparently.

He did the brave and honorable thing here.

He exposed cowardly and un-Constitutional acts.


Have a nice day.

You keep saying its unconstitutional; where is the proof? Some article or blog isn't proof- you want legal cases, I've given you at least one from SCOTUS, yet you cite no legal precedent for why it is unconstitutional.

At the end you don't like it and will always say it is illegal even in the face of evidence and logic.

Repeter provided some very good info and that too you ignore. You hail Snowden as a hero and that's your opinion about him not a fact.
 
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The real problem is that there is no way of knowing exactly what is being infringed upon because the actual laws and rulings in question have been passed by a court that isn't supposed to exist, has the same power as the Supreme Court, and the actual contents of what they are doing is classified.

Tell me you think that it's acceptable for these people to create their own court that can essentially redefine anything they want into fitting their agenda... and you aren't supposed to know about it. If you want sources about the information about this court, then feel free to ask or just google FISA Court.
 
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You're missing the point.

No! You are. Repeatedly. Geoist has trashed your BS. Excuse yourself politely.
 
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No! You are. Repeatedly. Geoist has trashed your BS. Excuse yourself politely.
Indeed, the point is quite clear. That he is a whistleblower by definition means that he exposed misconduct, in this case very serious conduct that may or may not violate at least one amendment of the Bill of Rights. Funnily enough, the SCOTUS hasn't made a ruling about this because it was already made for them by another supposedly secret court of equal power. Regardless of whether this misconduct is unconstitutional, it's a blatant violation of public trust, morality, common sense, the alleged transparency in government, the authority of the SCOTUS, the authority of the people, and all but a warm welcome for those in power to pass any and all laws they want in secret, twisting the definitions of existing documents such as the Constitution to fit their agendas.

That is the point.
 
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