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Police Shoot Dog, gunshots caught on graphic video (NSFW)

It's an arguable point as the man was at that point in cuffs. He probably should have closed the window but its a summer day, and he's looking at spending hours, if not the day, in custody. It was. Poor decision but an understandable one.

But if the man is an innocent bystander, why would he expect to spend hours or days in custody? When I walk my dog, I never expect to be arrested. When I happen upon a police action, I never expect to be arrested. If I'm out to be a **** disturber, not that I ever am, I'm not going to bring my dog along with me - I love and respect my dog too much to put her in harm because of my stupidity - and if I have her with me when I decide to be a **** disturber, I'd bring her home first.

The only being that has my sympathy in this situation, from what I've seen to date, is the innocent animal who did nothing wrong.
 
But if the man is an innocent bystander, why would he expect to spend hours or days in custody? When I walk my dog, I never expect to be arrested. When I happen upon a police action, I never expect to be arrested. If I'm out to be a **** disturber, not that I ever am, I'm not going to bring my dog along with me - I love and respect my dog too much to put her in harm because of my stupidity - and if I have her with me when I decide to be a **** disturber, I'd bring her home first.

The only being that has my sympathy in this situation, from what I've seen to date, is the innocent animal who did nothing wrong.

Unless the police planned to uncuff him and let him off they were going to go through the arrest process which means he doesn't walk until after he's arraigned. That's at least half a day, maybe as much as two days - and having been arrested before the man is certainly aware of that.

I agree the guy was probably being a jerk. I just think we may be overstating his negligence.
 
Unless the police planned to uncuff him and let him off they were going to go through the arrest process which means he doesn't walk until after he's arraigned. That's at least half a day, maybe as much as two days - and having been arrested before the man is certainly aware of that.

I agree the guy was probably being a jerk. I just think we may be overstating his negligence.

I appreciate your take on this, but there's no overstating the dog owner's negligence because the dog is dead.
 
It's an arguable point as the man was at that point in cuffs. He probably should have closed the window but its a summer day, and he's looking at spending hours, if not the day, in custody. It was. Poor decision but an understandable one.

tehe window seemed down far enough that the dig didn't even struggle when escaping through it

EDIT: after rewatching the video it seems the windows are fully open. Sorry, in no way is that securing your dog.
 
But if the man is an innocent bystander, why would he expect to spend hours or days in custody? When I walk my dog, I never expect to be arrested. When I happen upon a police action, I never expect to be arrested. If I'm out to be a **** disturber, not that I ever am, I'm not going to bring my dog along with me - I love and respect my dog too much to put her in harm because of my stupidity - and if I have her with me when I decide to be a **** disturber, I'd bring her home first.

The only being that has my sympathy in this situation, from what I've seen to date, is the innocent animal who did nothing wrong.

Maybe because he knows how the local police department acts towards some people in their community. I am not sure at all he was a disturber, there is nothing in the video that suggests that.
 
Whoa... That's really bad. First, harassing somebody who didn't do anything, then shooting a dog that wasn't being aggressive. It's pretty obvious in the video that the dog isn't acting aggressive or any way, he just runs up to his owner because he's being man-handled by pieces of ****.

Damn... your so good you should apply to be a judge and get on a bench...

You can judge someone's guilty or innocence so quickly you'd only work half days for the rest of your life.

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You have no clue what this person did or did not do.
 
Of course it does. The man seen in the video has a history of negative interaction with the Hawthorne Police department. He entered into an ongoing police action scene, bringing his dog with him.

And, as someone already pointed out, the Hawthorne Police Department doesn't have a stellar record itself. The individual was doing nothing that should be considered illegal. It is our duty as citizens to watch the watchers.

It has been reported by witnesses he was vocal at the scene.

There is no reason to arrest someone standing behind the barricades and being vocal.

As the video evidence shows, he was prepared to be arrested by approaching police officers.

He knew a camera was on him. Of course he is going to be fully cooperative.

Should they have shot his dog? I don't know. They did. It's a bad deal that the owner put his dog in a situation where the dog was only doing what it thought was right.

The owner did the right thing by putting the dog in the car. If you watch the video in full you would see the dog forcing its way through a partially opened window. The cops knew the dog was there and should have made sure he was completely secure before doing anything at all. At worst, give the man a ticket.

One thing is absolutely sure, the dog would be alive had Rosby not involved himself in a difficult scene. That's a fact.

It was his neighborhood. As I already said, it should be every citizen's duty to make sure the police are doing their job ethically.

Your attempt to testify as if you were an on scene witness to who was doing what is really the only thing that has nothing to do with the topic being discussed.

I can only speak on what I have seen through the testimony and video.
 
why would it be their responsibility? When they approached the man he did not have his dog.

They knew he had put away his dog. Training (and common sense) would tell them to make sure the dog is secure. Anyone with a brain knows that arresting a man will get its dog worked up. Not that they had to arrest the man in the first place.
 
I appreciate your take on this, but there's no overstating the dog owner's negligence because the dog is dead.

The dog no doubt thought he was coming to his master's aid. Too bad the owner was not as loyal to the dog as the dog was to the owner. My dog is in her usual evening location under my desk, at my feet, as I type.:cool:
Good evening, CJ.:2wave:
 
How about the frame where the officer put his hand towards the dog with his gun pointed at the dog prior to the leap?
It appears the officer was trying to get control of the dog by grabbing it's collar. IMO reaching for the collar is not the best idea, but as others have pointed out cops are required to make a reasonable attempt to control the animal before trying to shoot it.

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In reaction to the legally required attempt, the dog lunged at the cop:

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The owner stepped forward and gave the command "Max, stop".

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Then the cop tried to reach for the dog's collar again, which as other have pointed out the cop is legally required to try and get control of the animal before resorting to lethal force:

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In reaction, the dog lunged at the cop again:

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And then the dog was shot 4 times in one second.

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I don't see batons or umbrellas on those cops, pepper-sray doesn't work on dogs and I can't tell if those cops have tazers.
 
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Why should anyone need to endanger themselves trying to secure an aggressive dog they are not responsible for?

They were endangering themselves by NOT making sure the dog was secure. That does not mean they had to touch the dog or get really close. They could have had the owner do that.
 
I haven't seen the video, so I don't have an opinion yet. But there have been numerous incidents of police shootings dogs unnecessarily. Police need more training on how to handle dogs and/or they should call the Animal Control department to deal with it. They routinely deal with aggravated dogs without shooting them.

When a dog is snapping at you, you don't have time to call ****ing Animal control and wait for their arrival 25-40 minutes later.

Give me a break.

An officer doesn't have to sustain a potential rabies infecting bite injury before defending himself against a ****ing dog.


This whole "OMG THEY KILLED A DOG! THOSE EVIL BASTEEERRDZZ!!!111!!!!" phenomena is retarded.



According to those who get up in arms over police killing a dog..... They just "know" that they dog was not meaning any harm to the officers, despite officers being injured by dogs on a daily basis....


So please, don't speak about things you don't know anything about.
 
I have to disagree - it is a dog owners responsibility, at all times, to have their dog under control - that did not happen here. It was, perhaps, an honest mistake and an attempt to do the right thing, however, that doesn't change the fact that but for his not being in control of his dog, his dog is now dead.

I agree it was probably an honest mistake, but I think that is a little different than outright negligence. Meh, semantics.

Anyways, judging from the video evidence, do you think an arrest was necessary?
 
Yeah, in a police state you get arrested when you call out "where are the black cops at", in a normal society the police would have walked up and told the man to go about his business, get in his car and go away.

And you know they didn't do this already how?
 
Maybe because he knows how the local police department acts towards some people in their community. I am not sure at all he was a disturber, there is nothing in the video that suggests that.

In the video, there were people standing on a front lawn as the two police officers approach the guy with the dog - the police pass them first - why didn't the police arrest or harass those people if the police were just targeting innocent people because that's what the local police do?
 
Actually, again, I have to disagree - if the dog owner was innocent, as seems to be the impression, there would be no reason for him to put a well behaving dog in the car simply because two police officers were approaching him. If two police officers approach you on the street, do you automatically turn around and put your hands behind your back to be handcuffed? That's at the very least an admission that he thought he'd done something wrong.

He probably knew it is considered illegal in many areas to record/film a crime scene and so expected an arrest. Many people, especially the black community, are very much aware of this ridiculous law. That, or he was intentionally being dramatic for the camera.
 
They were endangering themselves by NOT making sure the dog was secure. That does not mean they had to touch the dog or get really close. They could have had the owner do that.

1)How does your post make sense within the context of what I am replying to? FYI: I am replying to someone asking why the cops didn't attempt non-lethal measures. My reply was why should they, or anyone else, risk personal injury to secure a dog they are not responsible for?

2) the dog was lunging at them and the entire confrontation lasted about a half minute
 
Even the Police Department has stated it was FEAR that was behind shooting the dog. Cops fear alot of things, like does someone have a gun in the house. Does that give cops right to shoot people because they are unarmed?
Yes, it does, actually.

It also gives regular citizens in Florida the right to shoot an unarmed teen if they are in reasonable fear for their lives ;)
 
When I happen upon a police action, I never expect to be arrested.

You can expect that if you are recording the the police. At the very least, they will smash your device.
 
In the video, there were people standing on a front lawn as the two police officers approach the guy with the dog - the police pass them first - why didn't the police arrest or harass those people if the police were just targeting innocent people because that's what the local police do?

dude was a ****ing idiot. He's basically causing a scene at an active crime scene, blasting his music and being a general waste of space. He deserves no sympathy, even if the cops were in the wrong
 
The dog no doubt thought he was coming to his master's aid. Too bad the owner was not as loyal to the dog as the dog was to the owner. My dog is in her usual evening location under my desk, at my feet, as I type.:cool:
Good evening, CJ.:2wave:

Good evening 2M - mine is on the couch, on her back sleeping away, as I type and watch the BlueJays/Tigers game. She can bark up a storm and appear very threatening if you knock on the door or deliver the mail, but when under my command on our walks, she's gentle as a lamb - but I'd never put her in such a situation because I'd never want her harmed, and even though I know her so well, you can never tell what a loose dog will do if its fight instincts take over.
 
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He probably knew it is considered illegal in many areas to record/film a crime scene and so expected an arrest. Many people, especially the black community, are very much aware of this ridiculous law. That, or he was intentionally being dramatic for the camera.

I'm certainly no lawyer or legal expert, but it is my understanding that while police often claim that such recording is illegal, it in fact almost never is.:cool:
 
They knew he had put away his dog. Training (and common sense) would tell them to make sure the dog is secure.

Why, the dog is not where they are actively dealing with the guy, and they saw the owner secure it. All they know is that he secured it, but within a minute or two it starts charging them

Anyone with a brain knows that arresting a man will get its dog worked up. Not that they had to arrest the man in the first place.

lol, what is your next expectation, that they go door to door making sure people are properly restraining their animals before they conduct an arrest? Your demands are totally unrealistic and place responsibility away from the very person it rests on: the dog owner
 
He was not making a scene. He was videotaping/taking pictures.
Listing to the people who were making the video....the whole reason they were recording this guy in the first place is because he was making a scene and they were enjoying it.

Shortly before the dog got out of the car, one person close to the camera made a comment "man I'd let the dog out...let the dog after them..."...then the dog got out and everyone started shouting "they gona shoot him, don't shoot him...", then the dog was shot and the same guy who said he'd let the dog out after the cops was upset that the dog got shot.

****ing morons.
 
Good evening 2M - mine is on the couch, on her back sleeping away, as I type and watch the BlueJays/Tigers game. She can bark up a storm and appear very threatening if you knock on the door or deliver the mail, but when under my command on our walks, she's gentle as a lamb - but I'd never put her in such a situation because I'd never want her harmed, and even though I know her so well, you can never tell what a loose dog will do if it's fight instincts take over.

If my dog and I ever encountered a problem while out, my dog would get right next to me, look up, and ask: "Well, what are you going to do about this?" The wolf genes are gone in this one.:mrgreen:
 
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