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IRS conspiracies fall apart as BOLO list targeting ‘progressive’ groups revealed

Carleen said:
Not one single organization was denied no matter what they were called. I was hoping this would lead to reviewing exemption of charitable orgs but I guess that will not be happening. Our whole tax code is a joke!
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Yeah, in the end the part I find isn't who gets targeted for additional scrutiny, it's who gets approved. Political groups aren't supposed to be tax exempt, but the IRS seems to (eventually) approve all of them.
 
ARealConservative said:
Now we learn that it isn’t just the fringe right that was targeted, the fringe left were also targeted.

And to make the story even more wacky, obots are celebrating this as if it is good news.

The corporate shills that run government were targeting the groups unhappy with how corporate shills run government. Can you obots explain the cause for your celebrations, it seems seriously misguided to me?
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They were apparently trying to keep both sides from abusing the system.

Trying to keep corporations from purchasing shills with anonymous donations.

Its a good thing they were trying to keep both sides from doing it.

Much of the outrage is simply not understanding how the exemption process works.

Fraud is commonplace.
 
What if...? said:
Ever wonder why they waited so.long to make an issue of this?

They certainly knew at the time.

Most who are up in arms completely forgot that it was about CU.

Do you think they would have gotten the traction they have when the idea of unlimited anonymous donations was fresh in everybodys minds?

Of course not. It would have been clear what was going on.

So they waited until Americas short attention span kicked in and THEN made a big deal about it.

Making it appear they were being picked on instead of trying to game the system to facilitate anonymous donations.

There was a REASON applications increased 50%. The Citizens United decision and the promise of anonymity 501(c)(4)s offered.

Pumping millions of dollars of anonymous money into the election.

Nothing more, nothing less.

I'm frankly appalled so many are championing this behavior.
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What of labor unions - they are clearly as politically active as any Citizens United yet you see no foul there do you?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
What of labor unions - they are clearly as politically active as any Citizens United yet you see no foul there do you?
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Unions are 501(c)(5)s, a completely different classification with different rules.
 
Once again the usual clown show of Fascists are jumping to conclusions to try and shield their messiah from accountability. They immediately accept whatever smokescreen excuse is given to them because the truth doesn't matter to them. There were 500 Tea Party, Christian and Jewish groups specifically targeted, harassed and intimidated. Their applications were sent to a special exempt organizations technical group. No "Progressive" groups received such scrutiny.

'Lookout List' Not Much Broader Than Originally Thought, Contrary to Reports | National Review Online

That means the applications of progressive groups could be approved on the spot by line agents, while those of tea-party groups could not. Furthermore, the November 2010 list noted that tea-party cases were “currently being coordinated with EOT,” which stands for Exempt Organizations Technical, a group of tax lawyers in Washington, D.C. Those of progressive groups were not.

Based on the lookout list examined by NRO, however, it is inaccurate to say that progressive and liberal groups were subjected to the same or similar scrutiny as tea-party groups, or even that a surprisingly broad array of criteria was applied to screen applications for tax exemption.
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ARealConservative said:
Now we learn that it isn’t just the fringe right that was targeted, the fringe left were also targeted.

And to make the story even more wacky, obots are celebrating this as if it is good news.

The corporate shills that run government were targeting the groups unhappy with how corporate shills run government. Can you obots explain the cause for your celebrations, it seems seriously misguided to me?
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No left leaning groups were not targeted with the same level of scrutiny. Not even close.

And you're right. These fascists are jumping around with joy because they believe their own groups were targeted for intimidation and harassment by the IRS like Tea Party and religious groups were. Sad and pathetic.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
:lol: :doh This illegal targetting using BOLO lists was done by the IRS as standard practice up until one month ago but it was OK. No sanctions (criminal charges?) against those IRS employees that used the "official" BOLO list will be made since it has been discontinued. All is now well - until the next BOLO list is made, of course. No harm, no foul, nothing to see here folks just move along... :roll:
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What bothers most people about the list is whether or not their guy won. Think the GOP's BOLO lists don't have Liberal groups on them? Think again.

All Issa cares about is his little theatrical temper tantrum. Truth is not the goal of the hearings.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
What of labor unions - they are clearly as politically active as any Citizens United yet you see no foul there do you?
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Unions were actually the first ones to take advantage of Citizens United. It was fun watching the Republicans here have a cow about "outside union money" influencing the election. I think they thought it was just good for them!
 
rocket88 said:
What bothers most people about the list is whether or not their guy won. Think the GOP's BOLO lists don't have Liberal groups on them? Think again.

All Issa cares about is his little theatrical temper tantrum. Truth is not the goal of the hearings.
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Stop trying to make this about Issa. This is not about Issa. This is about the IRS acting like the Checka and the Gestapo. Time and again this is the tactic used to try and excuse a Government that is acting outside of it's Constitutional authority. Savage the investigator. Labeling people is dismissive. Psychologically it can effective on the weak minded, but it's nothing more than a tactic. The goal is to polarize any potential threat to Obama as he craps all over the Bill of Rights.

You are part of the problem. Not the solution.
 
rocket88 said:
What bothers most people about the list is whether or not their guy won. Think the GOP's BOLO lists don't have Liberal groups on them? Think again.

All Issa cares about is his little theatrical temper tantrum. Truth is not the goal of the hearings.
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All Obama cares about is that this "goes away" without any federal personnel actions or additional congressional investigation/oversight. ;)
 
ttwtt78640 said:
All Obama cares about is that this "goes away" without any federal personnel actions or additional congressional investigation/oversight. ;)
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This is true. Neither of them really care about the truth, only who wins.
 
Bronson said:
Stop trying to make this about Issa. This is not about Issa. This is about the IRS acting like the Checka and the Gestapo. Time and again this is the tactic used to try and excuse a Government that is acting outside of it's Constitutional authority. Savage the investigator. Labeling people is dismissive. Psychologically it can effective on the weak minded, but it's nothing more than a tactic. The goal is to polarize any potential threat to Obama as he craps all over the Bill of Rights.

You are part of the problem. Not the solution.
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those making this about Issa is as bad as those making this about Obama.

This is about the IRS. how about we let the investigators investigate and stop assuming we know where it leads.
 
Bronson said:
Once again the usual clown show of Fascists are jumping to conclusions to try and shield their messiah from accountability. They immediately accept whatever smokescreen excuse is given to them because the truth doesn't matter to them. There were 500 Tea Party, Christian and Jewish groups specifically targeted, harassed and intimidated. Their applications were sent to a special exempt organizations technical group. No "Progressive" groups received such scrutiny.

'Lookout List' Not Much Broader Than Originally Thought, Contrary to Reports | National Review Online
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Well, what do you know, The National Review Online has an opinion. :roll:N
 
Bronson said:
Stop trying to make this about Issa. This is not about Issa. This is about the IRS acting like the Checka and the Gestapo. Time and again this is the tactic used to try and excuse a Government that is acting outside of it's Constitutional authority. Savage the investigator. Labeling people is dismissive. Psychologically it can effective on the weak minded, but it's nothing more than a tactic. The goal is to polarize any potential threat to Obama as he craps all over the Bill of Rights.

You are part of the problem. Not the solution.
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When Issa runs for re-election it will be all about him. That's what he wants, he wants the attention on him. Typical Washington grandstanding. The fact that you can't see anything bad in the Republicans tells me what kind of "Libertarian" you are. Hint: "libertarian" is not just a cooler sounding word for "Republican"
 
ARealConservative said:
those making this about Issa is as bad as those making this about Obama.

This is about the IRS. how about we let the investigators investigate and stop assuming we know where it leads.
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What you mean you don't want to lynch Obama before we really know what happened? You must be some kind of closet Libbo...
 
As I said on a similar thread, it should be quite easy for an institution like the IRS, whose main business is the collection and evaluation of numbers, to come up with a statistical report that details the number of groups applying for such status targeted in each of the categories, the number of groups that were targeted that were approved and the time it took to approve them, the number that weren't approved, the number of groups in each category that were asked for supplemental personal and/or private information related to donors as a follow-up to their application, etc.

Provide the information to the American people. They're smart enough to recognize if something is inherently wrong or if the practice is/was as benign as the Obama apologists would like everyone to believe.

Based on the information provided in this OP, I could just as easily conclude that by putting progressive and/or liberal sounding groups on a BOLO list was designed to fast-track them as opposed to target them for greater scrutiny. The details would clear that up.
 
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rocket88 said:
What you mean you don't want to lynch Obama before we really know what happened? You must be some kind of closet Libbo...
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I have a pretty long list of valid reasons to lynch Obama. Many of the items were the same reasons we should of lynched Bush.
 
Lutherf said:
With all due respect to the "reporter", in looking at the PDF Levin released there is one entry listing "progressive" and that organization was applying for (c)(3) status, not (c)(4). The "occupy" reference seems to be with regard to "Occupied Territory Advocacy". I didn't see anything related to Israel directly though it can be assumed that the aforementioned "Occupied Territory Advocacy" would cover that.

It should also be mentioned that the Tea Party reference and the Progressive reference are on completely different lists and that unlike the Progressive notation the document expressly directs Tea Party groups to be sent to a specific group while no such direction is indicated in the progressive notation.
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Well THAT was well done young man.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
That is pure nonsense. Either you subject all such applications to "the tests" or none of them.
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Nonsense. The IRS has always used all sorts of criteria to select groups and individuals for auditing, investigating etc.

They can't audit/investigate everyone.
 
rocket88 said:
When Issa runs for re-election it will be all about him. That's what he wants, he wants the attention on him. Typical Washington grandstanding. The fact that you can't see anything bad in the Republicans tells me what kind of "Libertarian" you are. Hint: "libertarian" is not just a cooler sounding word for "Republican"
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Your Left/Right paradigm nonsense does not concern me. I don't operate in that little box.

This is not about Republicans/Democrats. Those are just labels that distract. The only thing you and your pals like PB care about is shielding the corruption emanating from the Obama Administration from any accountability. You only believe state controlled media lies. You are part of the problem. Not the solution.
 
I'm losing count of how many wings/factions there are of the GOP in Congress, along with the advent of regionalized pockets of resistance on both sides. This alone IMO guarantees continual government breakdowns like the credit down grade. BTW, the NCAA's credit rating was downgraded to negative by Moody's today (AP).
shrubnose said:
That's really sad for those on the right who couldn't get control of the White House by winning an election and are now trying to sneak in any way that they can find, fair or foul.




"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch, running out of time, GOP.
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Bronson said:
Your Left/Right paradigm nonsense does not concern me. I don't operate in that little box.

This is not about Republicans/Democrats. Those are just labels that distract. The only thing you and your pals like PB care about is shielding the corruption emanating from the Obama Administration from any accountability. You only believe state controlled media lies. You are part of the problem. Not the solution.
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How am I trying to shield him? By saying we should get the evidence first? The nerve! Obviously we should impeach now before we have a clear picture of his involvement. Yeah, because who cares what actually happened....not you that's clear.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Provide the information to the American people. They're smart enough to recognize if something is inherently wrong or if the practice is/was as benign as the Obama apologists would like everyone to believe.
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No they're not. They only care about "I like Obama" or "I hate Obama." No matter what, that's what will matter.
 
sangha said:
Nonsense. The IRS has always used all sorts of criteria to select groups and individuals for auditing, investigating etc.

They can't audit/investigate everyone.
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That is an apples to cinderblocks comparison. We are not talking about taking any "extra" action (auditing AFTER normal processing of the retunn), i.e. granting the requested tax status, and then later auditing some of them. What was being done is that some "good" named applicants got virtually instant approval while "bad" named applicants got the run around for up to two years. What if auditing was done based on only auditing "foreign" sounding names or only auditing those in "suspect" zip codes. As long as the criteria are "arbitrary", like check every tenth return or check every return that has above x% of deductions to gross income then that is acceptable "extra" checking.
 
rocket88 said:
How am I trying to shield him? By saying we should get the evidence first? The nerve! Obviously we should impeach now before we have a clear picture of his involvement. Yeah, because who cares what actually happened....not you that's clear.
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Will you stop with the strawmen and hyperbole? It's embarrassing

You're also twisting yourself in knots with all your contradictions. You can't claim you want evidence and an investigation and then at the same time attack, label and polarize the person who is running the investigation. We know your track record here as an Obama sycophant. You are fooling nobody and trying to run smokescreens for Fascism.
 
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