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Rand Paul: Marijuana users lose IQ points and lack motivation

HumanBeing said:
I make money, I employ people, I pay taxes (albeit against my will), and I smoke marijuana daily. It evidently hasn't affected my motivation.
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Well, unless it's legal where you are I would say that risking it all for an illegal high is pretty dumb.
 
ChrisL said:
Only someone who is anal retentive would make an issue out of this. Why don't you get back onto the topic. Oh I know why, because you're argument sucks. :lol:

You'd probably feel better and be happier if you pulled that stick out of there you know.
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**** off. You want to blunder into this conversation and pretend like you know what you're talking about, then at least have a basic understanding of the vocabulary.
 
HumanBeing said:
Are you drunk? Or just giving up on your argument because you know you're wrong?
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You lost your argument when you claimed a dictionary definition of libertarianism that you never provided. I won the argument by default. It has been my distinct pleasure besting you in a fair debate. Feel free to try again.
 
Guy Incognito said:
**** off. You want to blunder into this conversation and pretend like you know what you're talking about, then at least have a basic understanding of the vocabulary.
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Obviously it's you who is incapable of having a civil conversation. You can't even defend your position. You just go off the wall and start attacking others who actually ARE trying to contribute something.
 
Guy Incognito said:
You lost your argument when you claimed a dictionary definition of libertarianism that you never provided. I won the argument by default. It has been my distinct pleasure besting you in a fair debate. Feel free to try again.
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No way. He made a MUCH more coherent and sensible argument than you have. All of your arguments and points are stupid and nonsensical.
 
Guy Incognito said:
You lost your argument when you claimed a dictionary definition of libertarianism that you never provided.
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I simply said that dictionary definitions back up my argument, I didn't realize you needed everything handed to you on a plate. You'll also notice my specific use of the term "traditional libertarianism". There was a reason for that. Again, all you need to do is read the history of the political philosophy you claim to subscribe to but clearly don't actually agree with.

Libertarianism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What you advocate is modern American liberalism that has been hijacking the term "libertarian" for a few decades, despite having nothing to do with its core traditional values.

And you claim that something that makes people happy has no positive effects, yet you don't see that statement as a contradiction? I don't get it.
 
the irony here is that Rand probably smoked a lot of grass as a young man and if you read the stuff he writes and says, there's some truth to his claim on losing IQ points ...
 
windowdressing said:
the irony here is that Rand probably smoked a lot of grass as a young man and if you read the stuff he writes and says, there's some truth to his claim on losing IQ points ...
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You got me curious. I googled and found this GQ Exclusive: Rand Paul's Kooky College Days (Hint: There's a Secret Society Involved): The Q: GQ. I'm still laughing :D

"He and Randy came to my house, they knocked on my door, and then they blindfolded me, tied me up, and put me in their car. They took me to their apartment and tried to force me to take bong hits. They'd been smoking pot." After the woman refused to smoke with them, Paul and his friend put her back in their car and drove to the countryside outside of Waco, where they stopped near a creek. "They told me their god was 'Aqua Buddha' and that I needed to bow down and worship him," the woman recalls. "They blindfolded me and made me bow down to 'Aqua Buddha' in the creek. I had to say, 'I worship you Aqua Buddha"
 
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HumanBeing said:
You got me curious. I googled and found this GQ Exclusive: Rand Paul's Kooky College Days (Hint: There's a Secret Society Involved): The Q: GQ. I'm still laughing :D

"He and Randy came to my house, they knocked on my door, and then they blindfolded me, tied me up, and put me in their car. They took me to their apartment and tried to force me to take bong hits. They'd been smoking pot." After the woman refused to smoke with them, Paul and his friend put her back in their car and drove to the countryside outside of Waco, where they stopped near a creek. "They told me their god was 'Aqua Buddha' and that I needed to bow down and worship him," the woman recalls. "They blindfolded me and made me bow down to 'Aqua Buddha' in the creek. I had to say, 'I worship you Aqua Buddha"
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these folks are pieces of work ... Paul believes thyat a restaurant owner should have the right to deny service to a black man simply because he's black ... that takes a lot of pot ...
 
People are overlooking the fact that IQ does not test intelligence, but aptitude, and those with privilege get higher test results.

Plus Rand Paul is just wrong... but you know, the continual war on drugs makes his point more salient to ignorant people. If the U.S. would just reform its scheduling system based on modern scientifical and medical research, it would usher in the entire world moving into a greater period of living.

Unfortunately, the government will keep saying stupid things like pot kills brain cells or damages intelligence, over and over again, no matter how many times it is proven wrong. That's what propaganda is. It's not true, but it's persistent. They don't want people taking entheogens that will wake them up to how ridiculous our system of forced control is.
 
windowdressing said:
these folks are pieces of work ... Paul believes thyat a restaurant owner should have the right to deny service to a black man simply because he's black ... that takes a lot of pot ...
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I believe that business owners have a right to refuse whoever they want, and consumers have a responsibility to boycott and bankrupt businesses when they engage in ethically abhorrent practices like refusing to serve people based on skin color. Still, that's a debate for another thread entirely ;)
 
HumanBeing said:
But you're not going to tell us what that magical reason is? I don't mean to sound harsh, but you already said he was a compulsive person with an addictive personality, it doesn't sound like weed had anything to do with it, even from your own version of it. And even if it did, it's still nothing compared to the damage other, perfectly legal drugs cause.
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Fact is, they didn't.
 
Rocketman said:
Fact is, they didn't.
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And neither did weed, it was something else, like you said..... Do you happen to know how many people have died of overdosing on marijuana?
 
HumanBeing said:
And neither did weed, it was something else, like you said..... Do you happen to know how many people have died of overdosing on marijuana?
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I am familiar with those like my stepson that started with pot only to move on to harder drugs ruining their lives. I also know 2 separate families that grew up without husbands/fathers because some mellow guy came to work and crushed both with a piece of heavy machinery.
 
Rocketman said:
I am familiar with those like my stepson that started with pot only to move on to harder drugs ruining their lives. I also know 2 separate families that grew up without husbands/fathers because some mellow guy came to work and crushed both with a piece of heavy machinery.
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But you said he was a compulsive person with an addictive personality who actively sought out hard drugs. Tens of millions of people in your country alone smoke weed without ever going on to do harder drugs. This is just classic scapegoating.
 
HumanBeing said:
But you said he was a compulsive person with an addictive personality who actively sought out hard drugs. Tens of millions of people in your country alone smoke weed without ever going on to do harder drugs. This is just classic scapegoating.
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You may think that to be true but you would be wrong. We lose successful people everyday to meth and crack, it is an epidemic. If you look at their history you would find they probably started with pot.

Pot smokers are easy to spot in the workforce as many of them are some of the most paranoid people in society, even the casual users. Outside of that you can usually smell it on their clothes or in their cars
 
HumanBeing said:
I believe that business owners have a right to refuse whoever they want, and consumers have a responsibility to boycott and bankrupt businesses when they engage in ethically abhorrent practices like refusing to serve people based on skin color. Still, that's a debate for another thread entirely ;)
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and if no one boycotts in a town, then tough luck for the black folk I guess .... I guess the black folk can move out (in fact, that may be why they were denied service to begin with) ... Paul in 2016!
 
windowdressing said:
and if no one boycotts in a town, then tough luck for the black folk I guess .... I guess the black folk can move out (in fact, that may be why they were denied service to begin with) ... Paul in 2016!
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If no one in town boycotts, then consumers across the nation can boycott the town. Cities with deeply entrenched racial hatred don't generally have the best financial track records.
 
HumanBeing said:
If no one in town boycotts, then consumers across the nation can boycott the town. Cities with deeply entrenched racial hatred don't generally have the best financial track records.
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unbelievable ... and here we are in 2013 ... well, we had a Civil Rights Movement and took a different turn, and we're a better place for it ... let's see if Paul runs on that platform if he decides to run ...
 
HumanBeing said:
But you said he was a compulsive person with an addictive personality who actively sought out hard drugs. Tens of millions of people in your country alone smoke weed without ever going on to do harder drugs. This is just classic scapegoating.
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Hey, news flash: getting stoned is a dumb idea. You can try to rationalize it all you want but that doesn't change the fact that a life of sobriety and self discipline is morally superior to marijuana use.
 
Guy Incognito said:
Hey, news flash: getting stoned is a dumb idea. You can try to rationalize it all you want but that doesn't change the fact that a life of sobriety and self discipline is morally superior to marijuana use.
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there are so many dumb things people do, and getting high on grass probably fits into that caregory, yet among the dumb things people do, this is one of the tamer ones, don't you think? Drinking alcohol and smoking, for example, are worse, no? But once you go down the "morality" road, ya gotta be careful ... Who's morality for example? I prefer to stay away from the moralilty argument on this ... I prefer the impairment argument and job loss, car accident, cancer, etc....
 
windowdressing said:
there are so many dumb things people do, and getting high on grass probably fits into that caregory, yet among the dumb things people do, this is one of the tamer ones, don't you think? Drinking alcohol and smoking, for example. But once you go down the "morality" road, ya gotta be careful ... Who's morality for example?
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No, marijuana is a filthy habit, I don't see a stoner as any different than a drunk or a paint huffer or whatever.

And there is only one morality: God's.
 
Guy Incognito said:
No, marijuana is a filthy habit, I don't see a stoner as any different than a drunk or a paint huffer or whatever.

And there is only one morality: God's.
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Once you invoke your "God" there's no point to a conversation with you ... take care ...
 
Guy Incognito said:
Hey, news flash: getting stoned is a dumb idea. You can try to rationalize it all you want but that doesn't change the fact that a life of sobriety and self discipline is morally superior to marijuana use.
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You haven't demonstrated even a single way in which not using weed is "morally superior" to using it. The fact is, it depends entirely on the person. Drugs can help people see things from different perspectives than they would when they were sober. If you're responsible about it, that can be a very positive thing. If you're irresponsible about it (especially acting on those perspectives without revisiting them when sober) it will generally turn out bad.

You'd like it to be a simple thing where sober state of mind is better than drugged state of mind. It would be cool if it worked like that, it would make the whole subject far less hassle, but the basic facts show that it isn't that simple. It depends on a massive variety of factors.

Usually I'd argue that all this stuff is irrelevant anyway, because no one has the moral authority to dictate what plants I choose to consume, but given that you claim to be a libertarian I've assumed I didn't need to explain that to you. Do I?
 
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