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Obamaphones Being Sold For Drugs, Shoes Ect. (Video)[W:33]

How many cellphones were handed out under Bush in 3 months

Just give me a ballpark figure. Take a guess.

Just read that the first year cellphones were added the costs were $819 million.

So about half that money you're crying about WAS authorized by Bush.

And the monthy fee for the Lifeline program is about $2.50, and covers a slew of other programs besides "obamaphones". Like rural service, school phones, etc.
 
Another baseless attack on Obama? This never get's old. *Rolls eyes*
 
Re: Obamaphones Being Sold For Drugs, Shoes Ect. (Video)

Yet another example of expanding entitlements, nannies and freebies. We are firmly entrenched in an entitlement, nanny and freebie society. 17 Trillion in debt and adding 1 trillion a year to pay for it all.

How much tax money was spent again?
 
Unbelievable

Obama has been President for 4 years and supervised the explosion in costs to this Program and you're still blaming Bush and the Republicans. Democrats controlled Congress in 2008. Not Republicans. You ARE aware of this right? Secondly your nonsensical gibberish about your knowledge of the drug world is not helping your position. These phones are being paid for by taxpayers. The money is added onto their cellphone bills.

Laughing, and to hear the Willard for President committee spin it, 47% of all Americans don't pay taxes BUT all non lifeline cell phone owners pay the user fee that supports the low cost cell phone program, so you may want to chose your words a tad more carefully!

You are aware that at anytime the Republicans wanted to kill a program they can in the Senate.

Oh but my knowledge of the drug world is very helpful. If you think a drug dealer gives anything close to fair market value for the goods brought him in trade then you are going to be very unhappy first time you need to pawn something. I also know what those phones are really worth because I have seen and comparison shopped them- it's called doing my own research instead of relying on a propagandist's highly edited drivel- like I asked and you ignored- I wonder how much tape had to be edited out from all the salesmen just saying get lost or if you think so...

Now the partisan all or nothing mentality- I never said it is BushII's 'fault' YOU are the one attempting to blame someone. I merely point out the BushII administration did the leg work on the program, set the parameters that are so lacking in oversight and accountability, just like Iraq and Afghanistan, and the way to fund the program. They chose to greenlight the expansion of lifeline to include cell phones.

Now when President Obama took office there was a little thing called the economy in a tailspin going on so excuse him if the priority was somewhere else. :roll:

But I realize the right wing needs to make everything like microwave popcorn... here and now to hell with how things are really run, and who set the hot mess in motion... :peace
 
Laughing, and to hear the Willard for President committee spin it, 47% of all Americans don't pay taxes BUT all non lifeline cell phone owners pay the user fee that supports the low cost cell phone program, so you may want to chose your words a tad more carefully!

You are aware that at anytime the Republicans wanted to kill a program they can in the Senate.

Oh but my knowledge of the drug world is very helpful. If you think a drug dealer gives anything close to fair market value for the goods brought him in trade then you are going to be very unhappy first time you need to pawn something. I also know what those phones are really worth because I have seen and comparison shopped them- it's called doing my own research instead of relying on a propagandist's highly edited drivel- like I asked and you ignored- I wonder how much tape had to be edited out from all the salesmen just saying get lost or if you think so...

Now the partisan all or nothing mentality- I never said it is BushII's 'fault' YOU are the one attempting to blame someone. I merely point out the BushII administration did the leg work on the program, set the parameters that are so lacking in oversight and accountability, just like Iraq and Afghanistan, and the way to fund the program. They chose to greenlight the expansion of lifeline to include cell phones.

Now when President Obama took office there was a little thing called the economy in a tailspin going on so excuse him if the priority was somewhere else. :roll:

But I realize the right wing needs to make everything like microwave popcorn... here and now to hell with how things are really run, and who set the hot mess in motion... :peace

Over and over again we see those on the right get all up in arms when they see smoke.

Then when it turns out it was not a real fire, they choose to remember that they saw smoke, and not that somebody just threw a smoke bomb.

Its why we have two versions of recent history.
 
Laughing, and to hear the Willard for President committee spin it, 47% of all Americans don't pay taxes BUT all non lifeline cell phone owners pay the user fee that supports the low cost cell phone program, so you may want to chose your words a tad more carefully!

You are aware that at anytime the Republicans wanted to kill a program they can in the Senate.

Oh but my knowledge of the drug world is very helpful. If you think a drug dealer gives anything close to fair market value for the goods brought him in trade then you are going to be very unhappy first time you need to pawn something. I also know what those phones are really worth because I have seen and comparison shopped them- it's called doing my own research instead of relying on a propagandist's highly edited drivel- like I asked and you ignored- I wonder how much tape had to be edited out from all the salesmen just saying get lost or if you think so...

Now the partisan all or nothing mentality- I never said it is BushII's 'fault' YOU are the one attempting to blame someone. I merely point out the BushII administration did the leg work on the program, set the parameters that are so lacking in oversight and accountability, just like Iraq and Afghanistan, and the way to fund the program. They chose to greenlight the expansion of lifeline to include cell phones.

Now when President Obama took office there was a little thing called the economy in a tailspin going on so excuse him if the priority was somewhere else. :roll:

But I realize the right wing needs to make everything like microwave popcorn... here and now to hell with how things are really run, and who set the hot mess in motion... :peace

Who set the hot mess in motion?

In the 2008 FCC action that added cellphones, and specifically allowed TracFone to be part of the program, FCC Commissioner Deborah Tate cautioned in her comments that the program needed to have appropriate checks and balances in place to deal with fraud and abuse. Commissioner Tate was replaced by President Obama after he took office.

Further, for the first time, in 2009, 20010, and 20011, the following was released by President Obama's FCC:

FCC Headlines 2009

9/14/09
FCC Supports "National Lifeline and Link Up Telephone Discount Awareness Week" - September 14 - 20, 2009.
News Release: Word | Acrobat

FCC SUPPORTS “NATIONAL LIFELINE AND LINK UP TELEPHONE DISCOUNT AWARENESS WEEK” - SEPTEMBER 14 – 20, 2009

FCC Headlines 2010

9/13/10
FCC Observes "National Lifeline And Link Up Telephone Discount Awareness Week" - September 13-19, 2010.
News Release: Word | Acrobat

FCC OBSERVES “NATIONAL LIFELINE AND LINK UP TELEPHONE DISCOUNT AWARENESS WEEK” - SEPTEMBER 13 – 19, 2010


You get the idea right?

Promoted, big time.
 
Read the article. It's not a Federal program. It was expanded under Bush but is instituted on a state by state basis. 38 of 50 states subsidize cell phones.

:lamo

Is that where we are now?

Dang, now that is a duck and cover of rather remarkable proportions.
 
1) Obama expanded the program to cellphones which is how the program is being abused
2) Don't project your racism onto me. Own it.
3) Who slammed him? Facts are the facts

Your emotions don't = facts

speaking of facts, if the plan expanded to cell phones in 2008, how could Obama have done it? He had no more power than any other senator in 2008.
 
Who set the hot mess in motion?

In the 2008 FCC action that added cellphones, and specifically allowed TracFone to be part of the program, FCC Commissioner Deborah Tate cautioned in her comments that the program needed to have appropriate checks and balances in place to deal with fraud and abuse. Commissioner Tate was replaced by President Obama after he took office.

Further, for the first time, in 2009, 20010, and 20011, the following was released by President Obama's FCC:

FCC Headlines 2009

9/14/09
FCC Supports "National Lifeline and Link Up Telephone Discount Awareness Week" - September 14 - 20, 2009.
News Release: Word | Acrobat

FCC SUPPORTS “NATIONAL LIFELINE AND LINK UP TELEPHONE DISCOUNT AWARENESS WEEK” - SEPTEMBER 14 – 20, 2009

FCC Headlines 2010

9/13/10
FCC Observes "National Lifeline And Link Up Telephone Discount Awareness Week" - September 13-19, 2010.
News Release: Word | Acrobat

FCC OBSERVES “NATIONAL LIFELINE AND LINK UP TELEPHONE DISCOUNT AWARENESS WEEK” - SEPTEMBER 13 – 19, 2010


You get the idea right?

Promoted, big time.

You missed the idea, right? Who did the legwork for the expansion? Who approved the expansion? Who set up the funding and initial oversight?

I agree the program, like sooooo many others, needs far more people in the oversight and fraud crack down divisions, but if I recall- wasn't the 'small government' Republicans who fought any increase in the size of government and attacked government workers as overpaid, underworked and unnecessary?

Chickens come home to roost.

Now as far as the government promoting the programs and opportunities it has to offer... I think that is a great idea.

And do you REALLY think it is the promotion program that caused the use surge in useage???

Really??? :confused:
 
Re: Obamaphones Being Sold For Drugs, Shoes Ect. (Video)

Yea sure. He's such a reformer that Obama. He has to reign in the candy store now that his election is secured. Your premise is paper thin at best. The waste, fraud and abuse being documented is happening right now. Some reforms you keep touting. Not.

Oddly, the reforms happened 10 months before the election. Damn those facts...

3 months before he took office. So what. He has had direct supervision as to how this program was implemented. You going to blame FDR for Food Stamp rolls doubling under Obama's watch too?

He actually does not have direct supervision. The Universal Service Administrative Company, which is independent, runs it. Damn it, facts again ruining your premise. I am sure facts are obama's fault too...
 
Re: Obamaphones Being Sold For Drugs, Shoes Ect. (Video)

Yet another example of expanding entitlements, nannies and freebies. We are firmly entrenched in an entitlement, nanny and freebie society. 17 Trillion in debt and adding 1 trillion a year to pay for it all.

Lifeline has jack **** to do with the debt.
 
Fact for you to discover. When was it expanded, and who actually did the expanding?

(Don't forget to include the clarification for the thing you claim Bush signed)

Here, since the kryptonite you handle seems to be causing you problems.

Some facts about the original order issued in 2008.

FCC Headlines 2008

4/11/08
FCC Conditionally Designates Tracfone as an Eligible Telecommunications Carrier for Lifeline Service In Several States.
Order: Word | Acrobat


Adopted: April 9, 2008 Released: April 11, 2008

By the Commission: Commissioners Copps, Adelstein and Tate issuing separate statements.
I. INTRODUCTION
1. In this Order, we conditionally grant the petitions of TracFone Wireless, Inc. (TracFone) to be designated as an eligible telecommunications carrier (ETC), eligible only to receive universal service Lifeline support, in its licensed service areas in New York, Virginia, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Alabama, North Carolina, Tennessee, Delaware, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, and the District of Columbia, pursuant to section 214(e)(6) of the Communications Act of 1934, as amended (the Act).


Now, a little something about the Commissioners who passed this reform.

FCC Commisioner Michael Copps: Was the former Chief of Staff to Democrat Earnest Holings, a well known liberal.

FCC Commissioner Jonathan Adelstein, was a former senior aide to Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle, who's legend speaks for itself.

FCC Commissioner Deborah Tate, was appointed as an interim Commissioner by President Bush.


So, the forces that pushed through the reform were who again?

Odd, I do not see Obama listed there anywhere. Just a bunch of claims of people being liberal.
 
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Oddly, the reforms happened 10 months before the election. Damn those facts...



He actually does not have direct supervision. The Universal Service Administrative Company, which is independent, runs it. Damn it, facts again ruining your premise. I am sure facts are obama's fault too...

Who had an overwhelming majority in Congress 10 months before the election?
 
Re: Obamaphones Being Sold For Drugs, Shoes Ect. (Video)

Who had an overwhelming majority in Congress 10 months before the election?

Too bad they had nothing to do with the FCC decision, which kinda ruins your premise.
 
:lamo

Is that where we are now?

Dang, now that is a duck and cover of rather remarkable proportions.

This is a waste of time...maybe read the article, visit the website of the organization in charge of the program and actually do your due diligence in separating the bs from reality.
 
That must be it...Ohioans benefiting from a program passed under Bush made them vote for Obama. Maybe you guys should start marketing them as "Bushphones" instead of incorrectly calling them "Obamaphones". Maybe you guys would of had a chance using that reasoning.

The program probably "took off like wildfire" because something passed in 2008 takes time to implement.

Well, once again, it wasn't the Bush supporters that started calling them Obamaphones in the first place - that came from the Obama folks.
 
Another baseless attack on Obama? This never get's old. *Rolls eyes*

Just another prelude to the launch of Republican v6.0.

You watch.

Its coming, just in time for 2014!
 
No that would not work for a huge percentage of recipients, those that are house or room bound or are otherwise not mobile or not capable of shopping. My daughter has been working in the field of disabled adult care all her adult life. Most of them are obviously indigent since they are disabled and cannot work. Some disabilities are physical, some intellectual (retardation, some of these adults are still stuck at 5 yo), and others are non-violent psychotic... the people who take care of these people do their shopping for them as most as not able to either because they would go in and buy nothing but yumyums or because they can't get to the store at all, or if they can, they can't really get around in the store or convey their wishes (many brain injuries take the ability to speak clearly away.

And truly you cannot imagine why a phone to make emergency calls should be available for everyone now that pay phones (which allowed free emergency calls) are neer to found these days? I guess that says more about you than the program.
Then why can't the benefits be put in the name of the primary care provider? There's no reason not to limit services to only those who are supposed to get it.

Pay phones are gone because even the poor have phones now. If the poor still used them, they would exist.

And nice trying to insult me simply because you couldn't come up with a solution to something that simple.

Wrong. The program proves 10 dollars a month for phone service. That is all it does. It does nothing more. Private companies are giving out the free phones to get people to sign up for service with them.

Which they would not do to those people if they were not being paid by the government to do so.

It's very simple. Some carriers are giving out phones on the Lifeline program because the government is paying them.

So how does one get a job again if they can't afford a phone?

How do you call 911 if yoir kid is choking, etc?

How much more likely are you to get a job if you can respond from the bus yoi're on instead of the next day when you get the message when you get home after business hours?

The program is paid for by fees on cell service, not taxes. There's still a fee on landlines for Lifeline service, 911 etc.
Ever heard of mail? It's actually totally free for the recepient, you should check it out.

How did anyone get a job, get medical attention, or anything else before phones? Should we buy them suits and cars too so they can get a job? How about shampoo, haircuits, a computer, a printer, document protector, pencils and everything else they might need? How does one find a job without a computer these days?

Guess we should be giving out all kinds of free ****. I mean, after all, it's free right?
 
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Too bad they had nothing to do with the FCC decision, which kinda ruins your premise.

Link?................
 
You missed the idea, right? Who did the legwork for the expansion? Who approved the expansion? Who set up the funding and initial oversight?

I agree the program, like sooooo many others, needs far more people in the oversight and fraud crack down divisions, but if I recall- wasn't the 'small government' Republicans who fought any increase in the size of government and attacked government workers as overpaid, underworked and unnecessary?

Chickens come home to roost.

Now as far as the government promoting the programs and opportunities it has to offer... I think that is a great idea.

And do you REALLY think it is the promotion program that caused the use surge in useage???

Really??? :confused:


As I have posted links to, the Commissioners who set up the change in regulation included the former Chief of Staff to Democrat Ernest Holings, and the former Senior Aide to Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle.

As to promotion, I've provided the links to the FCC's campaigns. How else would the program expand so quickly?

The point is, as evidenced by the facts, it was important for the government to be seen as the great saviour for the poor and needy, something critical to the President.

To argue otherwise is rather foolish.

It should come as no surprise that people take exception to news that continues to show large numbers of people freeloading off of government programs.

You can't blame people who have their own struggles for feeling taken advantage of.
 
Odd, I do not see Obama listed there anywhere. Just a bunch of claims of people being liberal.

Something tells me you have become quite dependent on those rose colored glasses you wear.

Any luck finding the documents you stated Bush signed?
 
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