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Obamaphones Being Sold For Drugs, Shoes Ect. (Video)[W:33]

Their needs to be some safe guards against selling the phone since I don't think they should pull the program just yet . Why is everyone upset with Obama the people who sell the phones are the criminals the people who give advice on how to put it in the IRS are also at blame . I think Obama is facing to many scandals to even dare do something like that anyway , presidents are knowledgeable on how to present themselves.
 
Bronson said:
Obviously to prevent massive fraud and abuse it wasn't necessary to expand this program to cellphones when a land line will do just fine to setup a job interview.



Right the fact is you called blacks and hispanics "leeches to society"

Why would you make such a racist statement



What does his race have to do with this? Your obsession with race is disturbing and you're dangerously close to derailing this thread with your histrionics



Wait are you excusing and rationalizing this fraud? You're going to sit there on your house of cards, roll your eyes, and excuse outright theft from hard working Americans because you don't like Republicans? Save the Republican vs Democrat Bush blaming for someone who cares about that. I don't.

I don't really care what your opinion of O'Keefe is. Doesn't change the video where clearly outright fraud and abuse is shown to be rampant in this program.
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O'Keefe has posted numerous videos of things that didn't happen.

Its his thing.

Making it look like terrible things are happening, when they really aren't.

So your source has cried wolf WAY too many times.

If he came up to me bleeding from an artery i'd assume it was special effects and keep right on walking.

Lyin' sack of ****.
 
So, why are they called Obamaphones? The term came from Obama supporters, NOT the opposition (though they were quick to pick it up).
 
clownboy said:
Snopes splits some pretty fine hairs in order to rate that as false. I call bull****. And Obama didn't call for any sort of reduction until the election was over.
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So what fact do they get in error?
 
Bronson said:
Unbelievable

Obama has been President for 4 years and supervised the explosion in costs to this Program and you're still blaming Bush and the Republicans. Democrats controlled Congress in 2008. Not Republicans. You ARE aware of this right? Secondly your nonsensical gibberish about your knowledge of the drug world is not helping your position. These phones are being paid for by taxpayers. The money is added onto their cellphone bills.
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Greetings, Bronson! :2wave:

Excellent post! Why has it become necessary for some to make the truth so elusive?

Never mind, the question was rhetorical...I know the answer! :shock:
 
Bronson said:
Attack the source because you can't refute the facts

2.2B in 2012 alone
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Your source had never produced an honest piece.

Every single one has been deceptively edited to appear to show things that never happened.

So rejecting everything a known liar presents isn't rejecting a source, its refusing to believe what a known liar says.

See the difference?
 
Re: Obamaphones Being Sold For Drugs, Shoes Ect. (Video)

Redress said:
So let's look at the facts, and conservative logic:

Program instituted before Obama takes office, but it is Obama's fault. Claim made that government is giving out phones, when they do not. This is Obama's fault. Cost of the program goes up due to poor decision in expanding it, this is Obama's fault even though he was not involved in it. Government money has to be spent to find out why costs are exploding and how to fix it. This is Obama's fault. More government money has to be spent to implement cost saving measures. Complain about Obama's spending.
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You're not presenting facts. You're engaging in laughable hyperbole and obfuscation.

I don't blame Obama for adding wireless phones to the Lifeline Program. I blame RINOS like Bush and the Democrats who controlled Congress at the time. That however doesn't excuse the explosion in costs that have happened under Obama's watch. Obama is the President who had direct supervision over the how this program was implemented. Not Bush. 3 months is nothing compared to 4+ years and you know it. What this shows is a pattern under Obama. Rampant waste, fraud and abuse of welfare programs under his watch. Food Stamps. Unemployment. Lifeline. All exploding in costs under his supervision. Trying to blame Bush for the Lifeline costs is like trying to blame FDR for the exploding costs in Food Stamps under Obama. It's obfuscation and emotional reasoning.

2.2B in costs in 2012. That's not real reform. Claiming "well it didn't cost 2.5B so hey we reformed it" is NOT reform.
 
Bronson said:
3 months before Obama took office. The massive expansion of this program has occurred under his supervision.

Yes definitely Obama's fault when he's had 4+ years to get it right. The program has skyrocketed to 2B+ in 2012 under his watch.
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Bingo! 3 months before he took office....
 
Redress said:
So what fact do they get in error?
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The rank stupidity they used when they claimed that it wasn't paid for by other users. Either stupidity or complicity. Also they thoroughly ignored any understanding of the "loss leader" (free phone) and who pays for that. Snopes does not always get it right and they have their own share of interpretive bias.
 
Re: Obamaphones Being Sold For Drugs, Shoes Ect. (Video)

Bronson said:
You're not presenting facts. You're engaging in laughable hyperbole and obfuscation.

I don't blame Obama for adding wireless phones to the Lifeline Program. I blame RINOS like Bush and the Democrats who controlled Congress at the time. That however doesn't excuse the explosion in costs that have happened under Obama's watch. Obama is the President who had direct supervision over the how this program was implemented. Not Bush. 3 months is nothing compared to 4+ years and you know it. What this shows is a pattern under Obama. Rampant waste, fraud and abuse of welfare programs under his watch. Food Stamps. Unemployment. Lifeline. All exploding in costs under his supervision. Trying to blame Bush for the Lifeline costs is like trying to blame FDR for the exploding costs in Food Stamps under Obama. It's obfuscation and emotional reasoning.

2.2B in costs in 2012. That's not real reform. Claiming "well it didn't cost 2.5B so hey we reformed it" is NOT reform.
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Gee...maybe the exploding costs of food stamps and other programs is due to a long term high unemployment rate not waste/fraud/abuse?
 
What if...? said:
Your source had never produced an honest piece.

Every single one has been deceptively edited to appear to show things that never happened.

So rejecting everything a known liar presents isn't rejecting a source, its refusing to believe what a known liar says.

See the difference?
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The DailyMail is not an honest source? Who knew.

The video doesn't lie. From the source, out of the words of the employee. Not O'Keefe.

'Whatever you want to do with it,' the worker replied.

'So I'm [going to] get some money for heroin,' he offered.

The employee coolly responded, 'Hey, I don't judge.'
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Another example

'It's kind of like, the first thing that I do is this here,' the TerraCom rep responded, referring to the required paperwork. 'And unfortunately there are people on drugs. They get this phone, and they go get $40. ... You basically do whatever you want to do with it. That's what I'm trying to tell you.'
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Now you can throw a tantrum and whine about O'Keefe all you want. The facts are the facts. This is what The Left does when they can't refute the facts. They attack the source.
 
ocean515 said:
The number of posts one makes, does not equate to validity of claims, or of sources.

Your previous post carried the following statement:
"And crying that people are blaming Bush for a program Bush signed into law is hilarious,"​

Could you please clarify what Bush signed into law related to the Lifeline program?

Further, it wasn't until President Obama took office that the program exploded. That fact is undeniable. It's as absolute as salt in the ocean.

So, for a bit of history, and current results, perhaps going to the source, something the "very liberal" types appear challenged by.

FCC Headlines 2013

2/12/13
FCC Reports: Major Reforms to Lifeline Program on Track to Cut at Least an Additional $400 Million in Waste, Fraud, And Abuse in 2013; Reforms on Schedule to Save More Than $2 Billion by End of 2014.
News Release: Word | Acrobat

Excerpt
“In his first year on the job, Chairman Genachowski launched fundamental reform of Lifeline for today’s wireless and broadband-driven communications marketplace, and the reforms we adopted eliminated approximately $214 million in waste, fraud and abuse in 2012 and are on track to save the program more than $2 billion through 2014, fundamentally altering the course of the program. This will preserve Lifeline for those who truly need it.”​

The facts are, nothing was done to the Lifeline program until the abuse in the program was brought to light. Attempting to award a gold star to President Obama for proactively trying to correct a perceived wrong brought about by Bush is about as deranged an argument as can be.
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Fact for you: The program expanded in 2008. When do you think you would see cost expansion? Hint: after 2008.
 
rocket88 said:
Bingo! 3 months before he took office....
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And allowed to suck resources while providing him with the publicity for the program until after his second election. Then, when he no longer needed folks to think it was his program, he moved to fix it.
 
notquiteright said:
Actually the detractors of the mobile phone program started the 'Obamaphone' tag. The program to include mobile phones was discussed and approved under BushII, the first program starting 3 months BEFORE Obama was elected President.

I can buy a Tracphone for 14 bucks, not sure just how much of a shoe or bag I can buy with that... :roll:

These phones have little if any value to a drug dealer, he can get far better burn phones for just a few bucks more- it is obvious Bronson has not seen these phones because he would know how big a joke it is to try and exchange one for anything.

I wonder how much tape O'Keefe had to erase because the salesman said, "Just go away!" ???
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It says ten hours on the video, so I'm gonna guess a thousand or more hours.

That or he was passing out scripts and twenties right off camera.
 
clownboy said:
And allowed to suck resources while providing him with the publicity for the program until after his second election. Then, when he no longer needed folks to think it was his program, he moved to fix it.
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He certainly could have changed things. I fault him for that. I fault him for continuing many Bush-era policies.

It is, however, dishonest to say the least to put it all squarely on his plate when the expansion happened before he took office.
 
iliveonramen said:
So a bill to subsidize phones passed under Reagan and expanded to cell phones under Bush is called an "Obamaphone".....

Makes sense to me!
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Well now, there is hope for you!

I guess you couldn't run away from the fact the program took off like a wildfire in 2009.

For example:

1 million Ohioans using free phone program | www.daytondailynews.com

Growth in the program is fed by the 2008 decision to extend it to prepaid cellphone companies, which get up to $10 every month that someone is subscribed. The number of cellphone companies offering the service in Ohio grew from four in 2011 to nine currently, with seven more awaiting approval from the Public Utilities Commission of Ohio.​

Hmmm. Ohio. Just thinking out loud here. What was it about Ohio that was important? Something about the last election and swing states...
 
Redress said:
No, Bush left office in 2009. Again, you cannot get your facts right. The reason the cost went up is that Bush expanded the program. Obama, in response, reformed it to cut costs.
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Hey!

That's not what O'Keefe said.

If only those who believe O'Keefes lies got mad at HIM when he's exposed instead of those who debunk him the country could be a better place.
 
clownboy said:
So, why are they called Obamaphones? The term came from Obama supporters, NOT the opposition (though they were quick to pick it up).
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Marketing campaign actually. "Sign up for an Obamaphone from the government and get a free phone", the phone is given out by the company, not the government, and the program is there to make money.
 
rocket88 said:
Bingo! 3 months before he took office....
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How many cellphones were handed out under Bush in 3 months

Just give me a ballpark figure. Take a guess.
 
Re: Obamaphones Being Sold For Drugs, Shoes Ect. (Video)

Bronson said:
You're not presenting facts. You're engaging in laughable hyperbole and obfuscation.

I don't blame Obama for adding wireless phones to the Lifeline Program. I blame RINOS like Bush and the Democrats who controlled Congress at the time. That however doesn't excuse the explosion in costs that have happened under Obama's watch. Obama is the President who had direct supervision over the how this program was implemented. Not Bush. 3 months is nothing compared to 4+ years and you know it. What this shows is a pattern under Obama. Rampant waste, fraud and abuse of welfare programs under his watch. Food Stamps. Unemployment. Lifeline. All exploding in costs under his supervision. Trying to blame Bush for the Lifeline costs is like trying to blame FDR for the exploding costs in Food Stamps under Obama. It's obfuscation and emotional reasoning.

2.2B in costs in 2012. That's not real reform. Claiming "well it didn't cost 2.5B so hey we reformed it" is NOT reform.
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What happens when a program is expanded? Maybe, by chance, the costs go up? How is that Obama's fault?
 
Re: Obamaphones Being Sold For Drugs, Shoes Ect. (Video)

iliveonramen said:
Gee...maybe the exploding costs of food stamps and other programs is due to a long term high unemployment rate not waste/fraud/abuse?
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Gee maybe we should take some of the money being paid into food stamps and give it to programs that actually prepare meals for poor kids whose parents are too sorry to take care of them properly no matter how many food stamps you give them so they will have something to eat on weekends and summers when the school cafeteria is not open. Hey maybe we should be paying to open school cafeterias to prepare meals for people in the evenings too instead of giving addicts more to sell if we are not going to do anything about that "waste/fraud/abuse".
 
Bronson said:
How many cellphones were handed out under Bush in 3 months

Just give me a ballpark figure. Take a guess.
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10. Obviously it couldn't be much because there was no cheating government programs when he was President, Americans only became dishonest because of Obama.
 
clownboy said:
The rank stupidity they used when they claimed that it wasn't paid for by other users. Either stupidity or complicity.
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They do not say that. In fact they point out it is paid for by USF, and that people will see the Universal Services line item on their phone bill.

Also they thoroughly ignored any understanding of the "loss leader" (free phone) and who pays for that. Snopes does not always get it right and they have their own share of interpretive bias.
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They state specifically who pays for things. Making **** up is not a valid debate tactic.
 
Bronson said:
Obama is the President who has overseen implementation of this program. Not Bush. Obama. You even admit this. The abuse of this program is happening now. Not 4+ years ago. Right now.

You've even admitted that Obama "instituted reforms that cut costs". If that's the case, then why did the program explode in costs in 2012? That's 4 years later. An excuse like "Things take time" doesn't cut it. Food stamps have exploded in costs under Obama's watch too. Which past President's fault is that?



You can't sell a land line at a pawn shop for drugs. Try again.
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"BY" 2012, not 12 times IN 2012.

How much tax money was spent again?
 
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