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Herman Cain says U.S. headed ‘towards socialism and towards communism’

Middleground said:
Cain should stick to what he knows best.

Pizza.
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As far as chain restaurants go, I would order Godfather's ahead of Pizza Hut, but not Papa John's.

Anyway, as far as its place the spectrum of political and economic organization goes, the United States has been driven to corporate fascism and oligarchy and appears and is sticking there.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
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Supposedly somehow in fantasy land amongst the right we are turning into a "socialist" country, then apparently we are going to become a stateless, classless society... This people are ****ing insane. :screwy[/FONT][/COLOR]
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Since you are a socialist, I would think you would cheer a conservative with that kind of idea. But conservatives are always bad and wrong, aren't they?
 
fmw said:
Since you are a socialist, I would think you would cheer a conservative with that kind of idea. But conservatives are always bad and wrong, aren't they?
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Conservatives are stupid to make counterfactual claims, like Cain did, yep. And your defense of them is rather shabby.
 
Kanstantine said:
Unlike Herman Cain, this false prophet of the right wing hackosphere, I know what real Socialism and Communism is.
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What is it then? The floor is yours.
 
davidtaylorjr said:
Heading? We are already there... Obama phones, ObamaCare, what do you think these are?
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The made up fantasies of partisan hacks...

Obama phones are actually based on a plan started under Reagan (Lifeline Program for Low-Income Consumers | FCC.gov) - began in 1985. Became "cell phones" under Bush 2.

The ACA ("Obamacare") individual mandate is based on the proposals of the right-wing in opposition to "Hillarycare," as they called it back then.

So, you need to study a little bit of history about the programs you hate before you say they're all Obama programs.

They were beloved (as was "cap-and-trade") when they were conservative think-tank ideas. They're hated because a Democrat is in office.
 
FilmFestGuy said:
The made up fantasies of partisan hacks...

Obama phones are actually based on a plan started under Reagan (Lifeline Program for Low-Income Consumers | FCC.gov) - began in 1985. Became "cell phones" under Bush 2.

The ACA ("Obamacare") individual mandate is based on the proposals of the right-wing in opposition to "Hillarycare," as they called it back then.

So, you need to study a little bit of history about the programs you hate before you say they're all Obama programs.

They were beloved (as was "cap-and-trade") when they were conservative think-tank ideas. They're hated because a Democrat is in office.
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You obviously haven't read my other posts.
 
4 days now and the OP still hasn't provided any argument to counter Cain. Just another drive by posting.
 
fmw said:
Since you are a socialist, I would think you would cheer a conservative with that kind of idea. But conservatives are always bad and wrong, aren't they?
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Well saying this is completely ludicrous... That somehow that US is becoming communist... Or socialist.. .
 
DVSentinel said:
We are turning socialistic, there for, socialist. Communist however, I don't think he was using Marx's definition of Communism, but was referring to the totalitarian socialist states like the Soviet Union, China, NK, Cuba, etc. So, he may be inaccurate by using the term "communism", however he is totally accurate on socialism and totalitarian socialism. Not to see that is "****ing insane".
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:lamo
How are we even turning anything close to socialism?
How are we turning anything close to this: Chomsky on Socialism - YouTube
 
I find it hilarious when socialists claim "nothing to see here, no socialism" simply because we're not completely socialist while advocating more socialism.
 
Lachean said:
I find it hilarious when socialists claim "nothing to see here, no socialism" simply because we're not completely socialist while advocating more socialism.
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How does one advocate "more socialism"? I thought you were either socialist or not socialist...
 
Unless we are talking about public ownership of the means of production we are not really talking about socialism.

Entitlement programs are simply corporations colluding with government to legislate their own profits.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
How does one advocate "more socialism"? I thought you were either socialist or not socialist...
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Riiight, exactly what an incrementalist would say after "Nothing to see here" that "This next measure isn't socialist because the entire economy isn't completely socialist."

Socializing healthcare doesn't make us socialist, nor does nationalising this industry or that one, until its full socialism. :roll:
 
davidtaylorjr said:
Privatized Healthcare, that's funny, you really think that is what that is don't you?
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Is the government handing out insurance? No. Is it single payer? No. Who is providing the insurance. PRIVATE INSURANCE COMPANIES. I think you need to be reconnected to a little thing called reality.
PolitiFact Virginia | George Allen calls health care law a government takeover

"But the law does not create a "government takeover" of health care. Here’s why:

*The government will not seize control of hospitals and other privately-run health care businesses. Doctors will not become government employees, as they are in Britain.

*The law continues to rely on the private sector to provide health insurance for consumers. In fact, its coverage mandate will expand the number of people who buy private insurance policies. The act sets up exchanges where private companies will compete to insure people who don’t have policies.

*Employer-based coverage through private insurance companies will continue.

*The law does not contain a "public option" allowing the government to compete for business with private insurers.

*It does not create a single-payer system, like in Canada, where medical payments are funded by a single insurance pool controlled by the government."
 
Lachean said:
Riiight, exactly what an incrementalist would say after "Nothing to see here" that "This next measure isn't socialist because the entire economy isn't completely socialist."

Socializing healthcare doesn't make us socialist, nor does nationalising this industry or that one, until its full socialism. :roll:
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Thats called a mixed market economy bud. Not socialism..
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Thats called a mixed market economy bud. Not socialism..
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Actually it is crony capitalism. The government is legislating profits for the corporations that fund the politicians that vote in their favor.
 
blaxshep said:
Actually it is crony capitalism. The government is legislating profits for the corporations that fund the politicians that vote in their favor.
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Now we can get into a deep debate if its corporatism as well. Which i would say i agree it is corporatism but its also a mixed market as well.
 
blaxshep said:
Actually it is crony capitalism. The government is legislating profits for the corporations that fund the politicians that vote in their favor.
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So that is what the US has? :)
 
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