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Sickening Video Claims Lee Rigby Murder was a Hoax

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Hours after students at the London Metropolitan University, part of the Islamic Society which obviously sympathizes with Muslisms and perhaps terrorists, made the outrageous claim that the bloody killing of Drummer Lee Rigby was part of a conspiracy concocted by the state using fake blood.

Sound familiar? Just think, Newtown, Boston, and even the Oklahoma Tornadoes and you will recall, the same talking points made by conspiracy theorists.

The six minute YouTube video of course, reiterates that the attack was False Flag BS. It goes on to say, "Masses are in a state-sponsored trance." This video has been viewed by 300,000 people.

Of course, the video later adds in actors, fake blood and Scotland Yard Freemason detectives.




This isn't all that there is out there on YouTube. You can do a simple search for Woolwich False Flag and see tons of videos pop up. Each with a couple thousand hits each. It seems that the Islamic Society is hard at work this week, because most of these videos are less than a week old.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rsial-London-universitys-Islamic-society.html
 
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Every single event that happens spawns some retarded conspiracy theory. That is not specific to Islam supporters. Crazy left wingers believe Bush was responsible for 9/11. Crazy right wingers don't thing Osama Bin Laden was really killed and folks of all political ideology think the moon landing is a hoax. Regardless of religion or political lean, conspiracy theorists are a breed all their own.
 
X Factor said:
Every single event that happens spawns some retarded conspiracy theory. That is not specific to Islam supporters. Crazy left wingers believe Bush was responsible for 9/11. Crazy right wingers don't thing Osama Bin Laden was really killed and folks of all political ideology think the moon landing is a hoax. Regardless of religion or political lean, conspiracy theorists are a breed all their own.
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I've found conspiracy theorists are so crazy that the crazy practically transcends political ideology. Extreme right wingers on this board have been avid Truthers, for example. Odd.
 
Cardinal said:
I've found conspiracy theorists are so crazy that the crazy practically transcends political ideology.
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In my experience, conspiracy theorists decide before they even hear the "facts" of any CT that they're going to believe it. I don't recall if it was at this forum or another, but one guy was sure that John Kennedy's limo driver turned around and shot him in the middle of the ****ing parade.
 
X Factor said:
Every single event that happens spawns some retarded conspiracy theory. That is not specific to Islam supporters. Crazy left wingers believe Bush was responsible for 9/11. Crazy right wingers don't thing Osama Bin Laden was really killed and folks of all political ideology think the moon landing is a hoax. Regardless of religion or political lean, conspiracy theorists are a breed all their own.
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Cardinal said:
I've found conspiracy theorists are so crazy that the crazy practically transcends political ideology. Extreme right wingers on this board have been avid Truthers, for example. Odd.
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And then on the other end of the spectrum, we have people who automatically equate conspiracy theory with absurd, crazy or paranoid. Yes, there are conspiracy theories that are absurd, and there are crazy and paranoid people who think up absurd conspiracy theories. But it's as though the word conspiracy therefore triggers a reflex to immediately balk and ridicule. Pretty black and white, with most people.

I have conversed with plenty of people who carefully consider the possibilities of certain conspiracies, all the while admitting that it's not a sure thing, but remains suspect. These are reasoned and thoughtful people. And then I've also seen a lot of irrationally reactive people who angrily mock the mere notion of a conspiracy. Some of those people are not reasoned nor thoughtful.
 
Neomalthusian said:
And then on the other end of the spectrum, we have people who automatically equate conspiracy theory with absurd, crazy or paranoid. Yes, there are conspiracy theories that are absurd, and there are crazy and paranoid people who think up absurd conspiracy theories. But it's as though the word conspiracy therefore triggers a reflex to immediately balk and ridicule. Pretty black and white, with most people.

I have conversed with plenty of people who carefully consider the possibilities of certain conspiracies, all the while admitting that it's not a sure thing, but remains suspect. These are reasoned and thoughtful people. And then I've also seen a lot of irrationally reactive people who angrily mock the mere notion of a conspiracy. Some of those people are not reasoned nor thoughtful.
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Most CTs are too ridiculous to do anything but, well, ridicule. Way too many are actually quite insidious, implying that a certain group of people is basically pulling the strings of every bad thing that happens.
 
Neomalthusian said:
And then on the other end of the spectrum, we have people who automatically equate conspiracy theory with absurd, crazy or paranoid. Yes, there are conspiracy theories that are absurd, and there are crazy and paranoid people who think up absurd conspiracy theories. But it's as though the word conspiracy therefore triggers a reflex to immediately balk and ridicule. Pretty black and white, with most people.

I have conversed with plenty of people who carefully consider the possibilities of certain conspiracies, all the while admitting that it's not a sure thing, but remains suspect. These are reasoned and thoughtful people. And then I've also seen a lot of irrationally reactive people who angrily mock the mere notion of a conspiracy. Some of those people are not reasoned nor thoughtful.
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Well, there are conspiracy theories, and there are Conspiracy Theories. Conspiracies are real things that people are legitimately guilty of and go to prison for. However, when something has entered the realm of Conspiracy (and what we're really talking about when someone is dismissed as a conspiracy theorist) someone has gone beyond the observable evidence to arrive at conclusions that cannot be supported. One immediate giveaway of the conspiracy theorist is how in any event almost everything is connected somehow. This is what makes debating the conspiracy theorist futile and exhausting for a lot of people: no matter how many points they shoot down, the conspiracy theory has an infinite grab bag of other imagined connected points to use.

It's entirely natural for people to see patterns and connections in life that may or may not actually exist. It seems that for the conspiracy theorist this ability is dialed to eleven.
 
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X Factor said:
In my experience, conspiracy theorists decide before they even hear the "facts" of any CT that they're going to believe it. I don't recall if it was at this forum or another, but one guy was sure that John Kennedy's limo driver turned around and shot him in the middle of the ****ing parade.
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Sounds reasonable to me! The footage was clearly photoshopped.
 
Cardinal said:
Sounds reasonable to me! The footage was clearly photoshopped.
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The limo was a convertible, the top was down and thousands of people lined the streets, so yeah, clearly the perfect assassination plot.
 
X Factor said:
Most CTs are too ridiculous to do anything but, well, ridicule. Way too many are actually quite insidious, implying that a certain group of people is basically pulling the strings of every bad thing that happens.
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I think sites like YouTube and 4chan help these people find like minded people and then they get together and plan to release said footage of stuff they think are conspiracies. Also, it could just be one idiot who has amazing Search Engine Optimization skills. Isn't it ironic that the conspiracy theorists are most often the conspirators? As in, they want to sway public opinion their way so they make up crap BS stories. They very thing, they accuse the other party of doing!
 
Cardinal said:
Well, there are conspiracy theories, and there are Conspiracy Theories. Conspiracies are real things that people are legitimately guilty of and go to prison for. However, when something has entered the realm of Conspiracy (and what we're really talking about when someone is dismissed as a conspiracy theorist) someone has gone beyond the observable evidence to arrive at conclusions that cannot be supported.
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I didn't realize there was a difference between a conspiracy theory and a conspiracy theory. But in any event this is aligned with what I said. Some theories are less plausible than others.

One immediate giveaway of the conspiracy theorist is how in any event almost everything is connected somehow. This is what makes debating the conspiracy theorist futile and exhausting for a lot of people: no matter how many points they shoot down, the conspiracy theory has an infinite grab bag of other imagined connected points to use.
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I think you're using an extreme example as an archetype, as though Alex Jones is a reliable and popular example of anyone who holds a conspiracy theory. I don't think your broad generalizations on this topic are fair.

It's entirely natural for people to see patterns and connections in life that may or may not actually exist. It seems that for the conspiracy theorist this ability is dialed to eleven.
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Bolded emphasis mine. There is no archetype of "the conspiracy theorist." They range from chronically mentally ill paranoid people to thoughtful, educated self-admitted skeptics and cynics.
 
Neomalthusian said:
I didn't realize there was a difference between a conspiracy theory and a conspiracy theory. But in any event this is aligned with what I said. Some theories are less plausible than others.
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Of course. However, the conspiracy theory has taken on its own meaning in pop culture, separate from the objectively innocent words "conspiracy" and "theory." Keep in mind, I'm not saying conspiracies, even big audience pleasers like giant coverups by big powerful organizations, don't exist. Of course they do, but a conspiracy theorist sees these where the facts simply don't support them in anyway. They usually connect various facts with "common sense" to support their theory, building an entire structure on a foundation of supposition. Hilariously, much of that foundation is made up of citations to other conspiracy blogs, which cite other conspiracy blogs, and which ends up citing the first person's conspiracy blog. And thus the serpent consumes its own tail.

I think you're using an extreme example as an archetype, as though Alex Jones is a reliable and popular example of anyone who holds a conspiracy theory. I don't think your broad generalizations on this topic are fair.
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There are consistent behaviors in conspiracy theorists. Just go peruse the Conspiracy forum (if you must), and you'll see exactly what I'm talking about.

Bolded emphasis mine. There is no archetype of "the conspiracy theorist." They range from chronically mentally ill paranoid people to thoughtful, educated self-admitted skeptics and cynics.
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And how many conspiracy theorists would refer to themselves as chronically ill or paranoid?
 
Cardinal said:
Of course. However, the conspiracy theory has taken on its own meaning in pop culture, separate from the objectively innocent words "conspiracy" and "theory." Keep in mind, I'm not saying conspiracies, even big audience pleasers like giant coverups by big powerful organizations, don't exist. Of course they do, but a conspiracy theorist sees these where the facts simply don't support them in anyway. They usually connect various facts with "common sense" to support their theory, building an entire structure on a foundation of supposition.
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Hence the word theory.

theory |ˈθēərē; ˈθi(ə)rē|
noun ( pl. -ries)
a supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something
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You're basically criticizing conspiracy theorists for having theories. They understand it's theory. Expecting a conspiracy theory to be supported by irrefutable factual evidence is to expect theories to not be theories.

And how many conspiracy theorists would refer to themselves as chronically ill or paranoid?
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Doesn't really matter, because that's really just a question of the self-awareness of paranoid/chronically mentally ill. How many of the paranoid chronically mentally ill refer to themselves as paranoid and chronically mentally ill?
 
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ModerateGOP said:
Hours after students at the London Metropolitan University, part of the Islamic Society which obviously sympathizes with Muslisms and perhaps terrorists,
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And there goes any claim you had on reasonable discussion of this. Didn't even make it one sentence. How very moderate of you!
 
Neomalthusian said:
Hence the word theory.
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A rather generous use of the word, if we're being exact. Theory in this context certainly wouldn't live up to the rigid scientific sense of the word.

You're basically criticizing conspiracy theorists for having theories. They understand it's theory. Expecting a conspiracy theory to be supported by irrefutable factual evidence is to expect theories to not be theories.
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No, I'm criticizing them for being conspiracy theorists, the specifics of which I already stated earlier.

Doesn't really matter, because that's really just a question of the self-awareness of paranoid/chronically mentally ill. How many of the paranoid chronically mentally ill refer to themselves as paranoid and chronically mentally ill?
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That's the point.
 
Cardinal said:
A rather generous use of the word, if we're being exact. Theory in this context certainly wouldn't live up to the rigid scientific sense of the word.
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Not many other than scientists formulate their opinions and beliefs according to rigorous scientific method. Some people like to claim they do to lend strength to their opinions, but overall it's pretty common to formulate beliefs based on assumptions and theory rather than arduously constructed scientific proof. Especially when it comes to very complex systems with innumerable variables that can only be partially dealt with by advanced statistical methods.

No, I'm criticizing them for being conspiracy theorists, the specifics of which I already stated earlier.
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But you're using the definition of the word theory to try to ridicule them, even though there's nothing inherently ridiculous about having a theory.

That's the point.
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If that's your point, then you're just pushing a stereotype.
 
Hint: if you're defending conspiracy theorists, it's probably because you are one. :D Seriously, if you've ever really argued with one, you know that they'll believe any outlandish lie (Holocaust didn't happen for example), ignore mountains of evidence that cuts against their claim, yet believe some obscure YouTube video.
 
Neomalthusian said:
Not many other than scientists formulate their opinions and beliefs according to rigorous scientific method. Some people like to claim they do to lend strength to their opinions, but overall it's pretty common to formulate beliefs based on assumptions and theory rather than arduously constructed scientific proof. Especially when it comes to very complex systems with innumerable variables that can only be partially dealt with by advanced statistical methods.
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Formulating beliefs on assumptions is the problem. An assumption is a forgivable place to start (at least I hope it's forgivable -- I have assumptions all the time), but to base a belief on them is a problem, especially when one holds to that belief in spite of numerous successful challenges to those assumptions. One of the many problems of the conspiracy theorist is that his belief never wavers in spite of how many of those assumptions are shown to be baseless.

But you're using the definition of the word theory to try to ridicule them, even though there's nothing inherently ridiculous about having a theory.
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I already answered this.

If that's your point, then you're just pushing a stereotype.
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My point is that how people might think of themselves (such as "skeptical" or "paranoid delusional") is irrelevant because an insane person wouldn't be able to properly gauge the extent of his own delusion.
 
Deuce said:
And there goes any claim you had on reasonable discussion of this. Didn't even make it one sentence. How very moderate of you!
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Why isn't descrbing the islamic society as a bunch of radical Muslims who sympathize with the Muslim terrorists in the London attack moderate? The official report called it terrorism. This group obviously sympathizes with the terrorists. It's what the group does!

May I also point out that a bunch of these conspiracy theorists relate to the Jewish conspiracy which controls all banks and money thereby suppressing the Muslim faith.
May I also point out that a bunch of these conspiracy theorists also believe that Israel is an evil evil place, much like their hatred for the US. They view us as the oppressers and their attacks on us as blow back.
Funny they never mention Christians.
 
Cardinal said:
Formulating beliefs on assumptions is the problem. An assumption is a forgivable place to start (at least I hope it's forgivable -- I have assumptions all the time), but to base a belief on them is a problem, especially when one holds to that belief in spite of numerous successful challenges to those assumptions.
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Basing beliefs or decisions on assumptions or intuition is not necessarily a problem. If an acquaintance tells you he's fallen on hard times and needs a place to stay, but you get a sketchy vibe from him, you might decide he can't stay at your home even though you do not have verifiable proof he would take advantage of you. When you make an investment decision, can you verifiably prove it will do well? We make all sorts of important decisions based on some degree of sensing or intuiting rather than on proof. Religious thought is abound with this and we let people believe what they will. It's not necessarily a problem.

One of the many problems of the conspiracy theorist is that his belief never wavers in spite of how many of those assumptions are shown to be baseless.
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Atheists may say this about theists, but neither they nor you can really sum it up as an all out "problem." You will try though.

My point is that how people might think of themselves (such as "skeptical" or "paranoid delusional") is irrelevant because an insane person wouldn't be able to properly gauge the extent of his own delusion.
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But not all conspiracy theorists are delusional.
 
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