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Black Leaders : Immigration Bill Will 'Harm' African American Workers

My question for these Blcak leaders would be: "Where have y'all been"
 
I don't know if they're racists. Nothing they said indicates that they are.

As far as what they actually said, they have a point. Many immigrants end up being competition for black Americans in jobs. More than that, immigrants often get benefits to start businesses that blacks do not. Therefore, it's easy to understand why some black Americans would have problems with increased immigration and amnesty for illegal immigrants. That said, I think the people in the article are approaching the problem from the wrong way. They should oppose unequal treatment of blacks by government and businesses rather than opposing immigration and amnesty.
 
hfd said:
Black Leaders: Immigration Bill Will 'Harm' African American Workers

Are these guys racists?
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Most people should oppose amnesty,dream act, or legalization for illegals and the expanded guest worker program. Adding 12-30 million people to the legal labor pool creates a unnatural increase in the labor pool and will cause wages to drop,wages dropping means more people on welfar and other tax payer funded assistance programs.With those 12-20 million illegals becoming amnesty residents or legal residents, new illegals will replace the former illegals so because of that we will have more people whose children on welfare and other tax payer funded services(illegals in general may not qualify but there are some tax payer assistance programs that do not ask questions about the parent's legal status and if a illegal has a child born in the US then that illegal can get tax payer funded assistance behalf of their kids regarding the programs that do not give immigrants and illegals tax payer funded assistance).
 
I got this from the linked article. There was a lot in there that was worthy of comment but this really jumped out at me.

“Most policy makers who favor the legalization of nearly 11 million aliens fail to acknowledge that decades of high immigration levels has caused unemployment to rise significantly, most particularly among black Americans. They further fail to consider how current plans to add 33 million more legal workers within ten years will have an enormously disastrous effect on our nation’s jobs outlook.”
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Seriously?

We're decades in to this problem, we've seen it coming, seen it developing, we alreadly know that it's bad even without an amnesty program.

And you're still at a point where you need to compete with foreigners, many of whom don't even speak our language, for employment?

Ummm... too bad, so sad, go fvck yourself.

Or I should say, feel free to b!tch, moan, and complain about it, by all means, just don't expect me to care.

And this isn't just a "black thang".

I don't care what color you are, or which direction your roots run.

If you're an American and you're in a position where you need to compete with an illegal Mexican for a bean-picking job...that bed you made? Go ahead and sleep in it.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
I don't know if they're racists. Nothing they said indicates that they are.

As far as what they actually said, they have a point. Many immigrants end up being competition for black Americans in jobs. More than that, immigrants often get benefits to start businesses that blacks do not. Therefore, it's easy to understand why some black Americans would have problems with increased immigration and amnesty for illegal immigrants. That said, I think the people in the article are approaching the problem from the wrong way. They should oppose unequal treatment of blacks by government and businesses rather than opposing immigration and amnesty.
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I'm thinking the, "they be gittin' more freebis than we are", argument wouldn't be all that good of an idea.
 
soot said:
I got this from the linked article. There was a lot in there that was worthy of comment but this really jumped out at me.



Seriously?

We're decades in to this problem, we've seen it coming, seen it developing, we alreadly know that it's bad even without an amnesty program.

And you're still at a point where you need to compete with foreigners, many of whom don't even speak our language, for employment?

Ummm... too bad, so sad, go fvck yourself.

Or I should say, feel free to b!tch, moan, and complain about it, by all means, just don't expect me to care.

And this isn't just a "black thang".

I don't care what color you are, or which direction your roots run.

If you're an American and you're in a position where you need to compete with an illegal Mexican for a bean-picking job...that bed you made? Go ahead and sleep in it.
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This is one thing that irks me about pro-illellegal scum.Their job and livelyhood is not on the line so **** everyone else whose job and livelyhood is on the line due to an unnatural increase of labor. I bet if we started flooding the labor market with 30 million people with college degree and more specialized jobs then pro-illegal scum would start to care.How much do you think your job would be worth if we imported several million people who can do the job you?
 
"Thayer taken our jooobs!!" Wonder how it'd be perceived if that skit was swapped out from the stereotypical redneck to a stereotypical gangsta! :mrgreen:
 
Fishstyx said:
"Thayer taken our jooobs!!" Wonder how it'd be perceived if that skit was swapped out from the stereotypical redneck to a stereotypical gangsta! :mrgreen:
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If white people made the same complaint, the Libbos would coming out of the woodwork screaming, "racist", and, "xenophobe". However, it's a sin in the Church of Liberalism to criticize anyone that isn't white.
 
Why did it take black "leadership" so long to realize this bill
will utterly destroy and marginalize the black community?
 
But, haven't we all been told that illegals do jobs that Americans won't do? So am I to assume as soon as they are legalized they won't do the jobs anymore?
 
hfd said:
Black Leaders: Immigration Bill Will 'Harm' African American Workers

Are these guys racists?
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This is indeed the typical result that is to be expected when one side, the liberal Dems mostly, threatens the other side, the House Repubs, with a racist perspective: http://www.debatepolitics.com/general-political-discussion/162524-just-say-no-racist-motivation-immigration-bill.html.

First the liberal Dems use racism in their "politicking", then, when people realize every citizen will be adversely affected by egregious amnesty and legalization for 20 million illegals, and later after a time no one tries to put a stop to this egreigous "immigration" bill, groups of people, of American citizens, then begin to coalesce in like manner out of fear, very real and justified fear, now African Americans meeting the liberal Dem threat of Hispanic retaliation toward the Repubs head on racist-a-racist.

And so it descends .. maybe into a full-blown race-war (and if you don't think that's already happenning you haven't been paying attention to situations in South-Central Los Angeles and its suburbs via Black vs. Hispanic gang warfare!).

The liberal Dems threat against the House Repubs was "if you don't pass the bill, your party is as good as dead, as you will have aliented Hispanics".

That's a racist presentation on the part of the liberal Dems, a racist presentation that has, in essence, excused further retaliation in like racist manner.

We all need to take a step back and look at the whole picture.

Illegals and the Americans they stole from are from all races, and indeed more than 25% of the 20 million illegals in America are non-Hispanic.

This isn't a racial issue.

It's a law enforcement issue.

We have good laws on the books against trespassing onto American land, forging false identities, and stealing American jobs/classrooms/road space/living space/other resources belonging to Americans.

These laws simply need to be enforced and in a completely color-blind way.

The "immigration" bill needs to be killed, killed now, killed fast, killed dead.

Legislation needs to be passed to secure our borders and to, with the help of all countries who have law-breaking citizens in America, "encourage" all 20 million illegals and their kids to leave America and return to their ethically correct countries of origin .. and without any consideration to the race of any and all involved.
 
Well, blacks are 13% of population, and latinos 16 or 17%, depends whose counting, and by 2030, latinos expected top 30%.

the black LEADERS are worried about THEIR jobs (political power).

Habla espanol? Yo si!

(Do you speak Spanish? I do!)
 
Who gives a **** what black leaders think? Really, who gives a **** what these race baiters now have to say? I sure as hell don't, and immigrants aren't what put blacks in the positions they're in. Listening to these self-serving black charlatans (e.g., Jackson, Sharpton) is what did that. Playing the race card for 50 years did it, everyone has grown tired of it. Probably why employers are hiring Mexicans, they're tired of the endless whining and racial lawsuits. Blacks voted for all these liberals who want amnesty, now let them live with the results. I see there are a few rightwingers in there, but that doesn't sway me a bit. Black people need to look for examples of successful people (and mimic them), and I don't mean the NBA.
 
American said:
Who gives a **** what black leaders think? Really, who gives a **** what these race baiters now have to say? I sure as hell don't, and immigrants aren't what put blacks in the positions they're in. Listening to these self-serving black charlatans (e.g., Jackson, Sharpton) is what did that. Playing the race card for 50 years did it, everyone has grown tired of it. Probably why employers are hiring Mexicans, they're tired of the endless whining and racial lawsuits. Blacks voted for all these liberals who want amnesty, now let them live with the results. I see there are a few rightwingers in there, but that doesn't sway me a bit. Black people need to look for examples of successful people (and mimic them), and I don't mean the NBA.
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Latinos are VERY hard working, most of them.

I've worked with many, both in USA and abroad.

Wonderful people.


Of course I'm not referring to LA gangstas
 
soot said:
I got this from the linked article. There was a lot in there that was worthy of comment but this really jumped out at me.



Seriously?

We're decades in to this problem, we've seen it coming, seen it developing, we alreadly know that it's bad even without an amnesty program.

And you're still at a point where you need to compete with foreigners, many of whom don't even speak our language, for employment?

Ummm... too bad, so sad, go fvck yourself.

Or I should say, feel free to b!tch, moan, and complain about it, by all means, just don't expect me to care.

And this isn't just a "black thang".

I don't care what color you are, or which direction your roots run.

If you're an American and you're in a position where you need to compete with an illegal Mexican for a bean-picking job...that bed you made? Go ahead and sleep in it.
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They are only looking at it through their own colored spectrum not the over all picture...unfortunately.
Illegals come in and take whatever job they can get; construction, farming, warehouse, manufacturing etc...it doesnt matter, they will take whatever work they can get and will do it cheaper than an American worker. It not only effects blacks, it effects everyone.

We have an overflowing job pool right now with not enough work to accommodate the legal workers we have now...add 12-30 million more new legal workers...well you can do the math...it wouldnt look good for those wanting to work.
 
hfd said:
Black Leaders: Immigration Bill Will 'Harm' African American Workers
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I have been wondering when - or if - they were going to clue into this. The segment of our populace that is harmed most by large scale amnesty (de facto or de jure) is our urban poor.


Currently hiring an American is expensive - we come with all kinds of tax and regulatory burdens attached. Hiring an illegal to do the same, menial labor, however, is cheap - and risk free! If you fire then for failure to perform, off they go, without trying to sue you or anything! Of course employers are going to seek out illegals rather than similarly educated or experienced low-income Americans.
 
apdst said:
If white people made the same complaint, the Libbos would coming out of the woodwork screaming, "racist", and, "xenophobe".
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quoted for truth. Except that no white leaders would make this complaint, for precisely that reason.
 
American said:
Who gives a **** what black leaders think? Really, who gives a **** what these race baiters now have to say? I sure as hell don't, and immigrants aren't what put blacks in the positions they're in. Listening to these self-serving black charlatans (e.g., Jackson, Sharpton) is what did that. Playing the race card for 50 years did it, everyone has grown tired of it. Probably why employers are hiring Mexicans, they're tired of the endless whining and racial lawsuits. Blacks voted for all these liberals who want amnesty, now let them live with the results. I see there are a few rightwingers in there, but that doesn't sway me a bit. Black people need to look for examples of successful people (and mimic them), and I don't mean the NBA.
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Absolutely. The downfall of the black community was replacing the father in the home with a government check. Blaming it on immigrants is just the latest excuse.
 
jamesrage said:
I bet if we started flooding the labor market with 30 million people with college degree and more specialized jobs then pro-illegal scum would start to care.
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I'm not pro-illegal scum. More like ambivilent scum.

Your childish name-calling not withstanding, you bring up an interesting point.

You're faced with a situation where you see clearly that your job can be done by an illiterate Mexican, or a trained monkey, or likely a dumb machine. Not uncommon, lots of Americans are in the same boat.

You don't say to yourself, "Shoot! I need to get my butt in gear and build some skills that are marketable at a premium in this new technology/information economy we find ourselves in".

No.

Instead, you screech, "Fvck the Mexicans, fvck the machines, fvck the educated, fvck folks who have taken heed of the writting on the wall and developed the skills necessary to move America forward in this new century".

And cry for bullsh!t protectionisim that will ONLY stand to drive up the cost of American manufacture/production and make us that much less competitive on the global market.

What a libtarded position to take.

You really should consider joining a union.
 
soot said:
I'm not pro-illegal scum. More like ambivalent scum.
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If it acts like a duck,quacks like a duck and looks like a duck then perhaps it is a duck.

You're faced with a situation where you see clearly that your job can be done by an illiterate Mexican, or a trained monkey, or likely a dumb machine. Not uncommon, lots of Americans are in the same boat.


You don't say to yourself, "Shoot! I need to get my butt in gear and build some skills that are marketable at a premium in this new technology/information economy we find ourselves in".

No.

Instead, you screech, "Fvck the Mexicans, fvck the machines, fvck the educated, fvck folks who have taken heed of the writting on the wall and developed the skills necessary to move America forward in this new century".

And cry for bullsh!t protectionisim that will ONLY stand to drive up the cost of American manufacture/production and make us that much less competitive on the global market.

What a libtarded position to take.

You really should consider joining a union.
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1.Not all Mexicans are illiterate or dumb.
2.This immigration bill makes it easier to import more workers including educated workers and specialized workers.
3.Many of these jobs illegals do are skilled contrary to what pro-illegal elitist scum claim.
4.I have never said **** Mexicans,**** Machines, **** the educated, or **** the folks who get training in other skills.
5.The only reason you are not worried is because you think your job and wages are safe from being undermined by pro-illegal scum tossing the salad businesses who want dirt cheap labor. Do you honestly think that your job is safe from being undermined by imported workers? I am pretty sure there are a **** load of educated and skilled people in China,India and many other countries filled with people who would love to come to America or work in a outsourced factory to do the job you do.
6.Patriotism is more that just I loves Ameruca hell yeah support the troops and waving a flag.There is also making sure industries stay alive in the US so that you and your fellow Americans have jobs, that we are not arming communist country's military by putting money in their pocket and that we are not dependent on other countries to make out stuff.
7.Are you going to fork out 20 or 30 grand every time to learn a new skill when those wages get undermined or your job gets sent over seas?
8.If you been reading the headlines you know that college graduates are having a hard time finding a job in their field of study.Where do you think these people are going to work?
9.I do support unions.I just do not support closed shops, forcing non-members to pay dues and trial de novas just to fire bad employees.
 
Race is everything, everywhere. Quotas are America. Blacks vote for blacks not candiates. Whites and hispanics will vote for their interests as well. Why is integration a law until one goes to prison and we see the separation of races and the formation of race gangs? Does'nt that tell you race cannot be legislated? This is not new and is not limited to America. Likes attract and opposites repel. Many say America will eventuall dide in to racial geographic areas and that will never happen, ever. Mistrust will remain in the spirit of blacks for many generations to come.
 
jamesrage said:
This is one thing that irks me about pro-illellegal scum.Their job and livelyhood is not on the line so **** everyone else whose job and livelyhood is on the line due to an unnatural increase of labor. I bet if we started flooding the labor market with 30 million people with college degree and more specialized jobs then pro-illegal scum would start to care.How much do you think your job would be worth if we imported several million people who can do the job you?
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The government shouldn't be in the business of protecting one group over another though.

It's not my fault your job and livelihood is on the line.
 
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