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Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker[W:220:563]

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TheNextEra said:
So you autmotacically equate all those things happening in the early 20th Centrury because of homosexuality? So all of a sudden you are worried about boys being used as "playthings" because the scouts have allowed gay boys into the scouts?

Homophobia is the IRRATIONAL fear of homosexuality and/or persons that are homosexual. I'd say you are definitely showing signs of that if you truly believe that. Many people are so ignorant to what it means to be a homosexual. I think you need some learning in that department if you believe what you say.
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I do not think Oftencold was necessarily doing that at all. I think perhaps you might be a bit oversensitive ... I can only speak for myself in saying that I would be just as concerned if Scout Masters on the Boys side were going to take similar aged female scouts out to camp for a couple of days. Putting convenience into play, where there is often already temptation, might be like leaving your car doors unlocked, mightn't it? You can do it, but is it the prudent move?

And I will forward the notion that there should also maybe be a classification of a homosexual's phobia of homophobia... what might that be, a kind of hypochondrial-homohomophobia maybe? Who knows, but you seem to be showing the symptoms.
 
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Gaugingcatenate said:
Exactly. Proves my point, you're still arguing something unarguable [least not with an attempt at genuinely winning ]. Always arguing the wrong, or at least an unwinnable, side, why? Enjoy being underdog?

Doesn't have to matter which side you may choose. My position’s beauty is, it applies to every side, maybe even fulfilling the liberal wet dream, being near completely equal. To all. I’ll say it for you, hard to find any real fault … well,... for those being honest, logical, sensible, reasonable.

Others needn't apply, anyhow..well, unless being too terribly clever… That’s worthwhile, at minimum entertaining.
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I asked you a question. The idea that asking a question is the same as making an argument is something I find amusing.
 
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Tolerance is not a virtue of Christianity.

I Cor. 5

1It is actually reported that there is immorality among you, and immorality of such a kind as does not exist even among the Gentiles, that someone has his father’s wife.2You have become arrogant and have not mourned instead, so that the one who had done this deed would be removed from your midst.

3For I, on my part, though absent in body but present in spirit, have already judged him who has so committed this, as though I were present.4In the name of our Lord Jesus, when you are assembled, and I with you in spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus,5I have decided to deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of his flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

6Your boasting is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump of dough?7Clean out the old leaven so that you may be a new lump, just as you are in fact unleavened. For Christ our Passover also has been sacrificed.8Therefore let us celebrate the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

9I wrote you in my letter not to associate with immoral people;10I did not at all mean with the immoral people of this world, or with the covetous and swindlers, or with idolaters, for then you would have to go out of the world.11But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler—not even to eat with such a one.12For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church?13But those who are outside, God judges. REMOVE THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOURSELVES.

In other words, one who claims to be a Christian and practices intentional rebellion is not to be accepted.

Certainly if an organization promotes beliefs contrary to those of the church in whose building that organization wishes to meet, then the church maintains the right to deny the organization its use. Whether or not the majority of people think that is bigoted, mean-spirited or (place your favorite progressive pejorative here), that right, as guaranteed by the USC, is not to be infringed.



MaggieD said:
I've always associated Christianity with tolerance. Side note: I went to what I thought was one of the church's Facebook Pages and posted a polite protest to what they'd done. Within an hour or so, I had a response from the minister of that church who said something to the effect of, "Our church hasn't taken such a position on that matter. Although we think that homosexual is committing the same degree of six that a murderer or rapist is committing, we welcome sinners in our church. We don't turn sinners away."

As it turned out, there are two churches by the exact same name -- one in Alabama -- and the one I contacted in Virginia. Embarrassing.

However, that one line? "We don't turn sinners away - we welcome them in our church," that's how I picture Christianity. It's good to know that for the other gazzillion churches out there, it seems only two (that we know of) have taken the position you favor.

As to you and your child, hopefully you will become more tolerant and enlightened if and when you have to make the decision not to allow your son to participate as a youngster in scouting outside your direct observation. We cannot, and should not, raise our children in bubbles.
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jwzg said:
Tolerance is not a virtue of Christianity.

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No, it is not, and where people get this idea in the modern age is beyond me.

Tolerance, as in "anything goes and anything is ok", I would add.
 
So, now that uber-conservative groups are withdrawing their support and money over the gay issue, shouldn't the liberal groups who have been screaming about this for so long step up and put their support and money where their mouths are? :shrug:
 
radcen said:
So, now that uber-conservative groups are withdrawing their support and money over the gay issue, shouldn't the liberal groups who have been screaming about this for so long step up and put their support and money where their mouths are? :shrug:
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Oh come on now, where ya been... you know they are only willing to put our money where their mouths are...:2wave:
 
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TheNextEra said:
So you autmotacically equate all those things happening in the early 20th Centrury because of homosexuality? So all of a sudden you are worried about boys being used as "playthings" because the scouts have allowed gay boys into the scouts?

Homophobia is the IRRATIONAL fear of homosexuality and/or persons that are homosexual. I'd say you are definitely showing signs of that if you truly believe that. Many people are so ignorant to what it means to be a homosexual. I think you need some learning in that department if you believe what you say.
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Homophobia is a silly term. Wise disapproval for a set of practices is not at all like fearing them.

Let me see if I can simplify my example of the British boarding schools for you. The abused boys were buggered by other boys. No females entered the equation. Unsupervised homosexually inclined boys, often victimized weaker boys. This also takes place in prisons, on ships (see the hilarious Churchill quote on the subject of tradition in the British Navy,) and even in recent years on a remote oil rig. It's going to happen in the By Scouts too.
 
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Hard Truth said:
Unsupervised teens and young people will fool around and/or have sex, often some of it non-consensual (molestation/rape). As with prison, that doesn't mean that the participants are gay or that gays are more likely to be rapists. Most child molesters were considered straight until they were caught. The problem is caused by bad supervision, not gays. All men, gay or straight, should be considered potentially abusive, which is why there should be more than one adult along for extended periods away from the view of others,such as camping trips.
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So are you saying that when child molesters are discovered, they're generally gay? That's farther than I'd have gone.

But back to Reality. In a setting such as a camp out, where sexually deviant boys are excluded, all the boys are sexually inert with respect to each other. Once sexually maladjusted boys are introduced into the group, that condition no longer holds, and the need for supervision increases dramatically.
 
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Oftencold said:
So all those British boys imagined being buggered. Right. Gotchya.
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Never said that, but to blame homosexuality on it is quite stupid, but feel free to continue. It's comical watching you make idiotic comments.
 
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Oftencold said:
Homophobia is a silly term. Wise disapproval for a set of practices is not at all like fearing them.

Let me see if I can simplify my example of the British boarding schools for you. The abused boys were buggered by other boys. No females entered the equation. Unsupervised homosexually inclined boys, often victimized weaker boys. This also takes place in prisons, on ships (see the hilarious Churchill quote on the subject of tradition in the British Navy,) and even in recent years on a remote oil rig. It's going to happen in the By Scouts too.
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Let me see if I can simplify my comment to you. Anytime you leave UNSUPERVISED boys or girls whether they be heterosxual or homosexual, you are going to have issues. So your boarding school example was made possible by UNSUPERVISED boys. It didn't matter whether they were homosexual or heterosexual, when you leave children unsupervised they are going to be bad things.
 
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Oftencold said:
So are you saying that when child molesters are discovered, they're generally gay? That's farther than I'd have gone.

But back to Reality. In a setting such as a camp out, where sexually deviant boys are excluded, all the boys are sexually inert with respect to each other. Once sexually maladjusted boys are introduced into the group, that condition no longer holds, and the need for supervision increases dramatically.
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ROFL you have never had children or been around children have you? The homophobic crap spews in your comments.

SUPERVISED children whether they be heterosexual or homosexual tend to do better and are more respectful around one another than UNSUPERVISED children.
 
Ooohhhh, you said he made homophobic comments. He really is offended. Maybe he shouldn't do that any more. :roll
TheNextEra said:
ROFL you have never had children or been around children have you? The homophobic crap spews in your comments.

SUPERVISED children whether they be heterosexual or homosexual tend to do better and are more respectful around one another than UNSUPERVISED children.
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The pastor is looking for publicity. He is just wanna be celebrity like Pat Robertson. Or the guy who runs Wetboro.

Being eagle scout gets you an automatic pay increase in the military. His members ain't be able to join the group or get that benefit.
 
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Kanstantine said:
Many straight people engage in anal sex. Should these people also be banned from the Boy Scouts?

What about straight people that engage in oral sex?
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Doomed to eternal damnation in the fires of Hell, obviously.
 
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Oftencold said:
So are you saying that when child molesters are discovered, they're generally gay? That's farther than I'd have gone.....
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No I did not say that. Some child molesters prefer girls, some prefer boys, some don't care about the gender. But, most appeared to be straight.
 
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Oftencold said:
Homophobia is a silly term. Wise disapproval for a set of practices is not at all like fearing them.

Let me see if I can simplify my example of the British boarding schools for you. The abused boys were buggered by other boys. No females entered the equation. Unsupervised homosexually inclined boys, often victimized weaker boys. This also takes place in prisons, on ships (see the hilarious Churchill quote on the subject of tradition in the British Navy,) and even in recent years on a remote oil rig. It's going to happen in the By Scouts too.
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Most prison and other institutional homosexual rapists were straight before being in the institution. They would rape women or girls if they had the opportunity, as seen in the recent rash of military rapes of women. The motive for much rape is exerting power rather than sexual release.

Most of the consensual homosexual activity in institutions is normal curious exploration or for sexual release, and does no harm. Most the participants are not gay and will not have homosexual sex after they leave the institution.
 
According to the law, anyone under 18 in most states is incapable of consent.
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Hard Truth said:
Most prison and other institutional homosexual rapists were straight before being in the institution. They would rape women or girls if they had the opportunity, as seen in the recent rash of military rapes of women. The motive for much rape is exerting power rather than sexual release.
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I disagree. I think that such rapes are committed by homosexually inclined men who have been concealing that trait, and use the myth that straight men will suddenly find other men ravishing in the absence of women.

Hard Truth said:
Most of the consensual homosexual activity in institutions is normal curious exploration or for sexual release, and does no harm. Most the participants are not gay and will not have homosexual sex after they leave the institution.
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See: HIV

They report no homosexual activity after they leave prison. Curiously, repeat offenders report little criminal activity on their part either.
 
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TheNextEra said:
Let me see if I can simplify my comment to you. Anytime you leave UNSUPERVISED boys or girls whether they be heterosxual or homosexual, you are going to have issues. So your boarding school example was made possible by UNSUPERVISED boys. It didn't matter whether they were homosexual or heterosexual, when you leave children unsupervised they are going to be bad things.
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True. But when children and adolescents who are not sexually inert towards each other are put together, the need for supervision rises to essentially unattainable levels.

It is passing strange to me that people who'd never consider putting unspervised healthy boys and girls together in a pup tent on a camp out, would blithely, blindly and with delusions of enlightenment put healthy boys and sexually deviant boys together in the same tents.
 
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Oftencold said:
True. But when children and adolescents who are not sexually inert towards each other are put together, the need for supervision rises to essentially unattainable levels.

It is passing strange to me that people who'd never consider putting unspervised healthy boys and girls together in a pup tent on a camp out, would blithely, blindly and with delusions of enlightenment put healthy boys and sexually deviant boys together in the same tents.
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And yet again, when you have MIXED SUPERVISED children and adolescents, that problem will not arise. You act like homosexual boys would somehow just act in some sort of weird orgy.

I do find it funny that you refer to gay children as sexually deviants as they somehow cannot control their urges compared to heterosexuals. Another example of your homophobia.
 
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TheNextEra said:
. . . I do find it funny that you refer to gay children as sexually deviants as they somehow cannot control their urges compared to heterosexuals. . . .
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I have a fondness for exactitude in the use of the language. Of course they are sexual deviants. I don't join with the common herd in fashionable mutilations of English.

Obviously, these children are unable to control their urges, which is not to say their behavior. Otherwise a vanishingly small number would be homosexuals, or so we're told endlessly. That is, "no one chooses to be a homosexual."
 
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