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Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker[W:220:563]

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It doesn't. What matters is that they are beaten back into the darkness from which they came..........................


I understand, not. What does this mean?
 
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Wow you are a winny butt when some one doesn't believe in your religion. I think any of those hypothesis are more plausibile than the magical patriarchal misogynist sky daddy religion.


Yet some people are having a cow when the officers of the religion no longer accept a chapter of the orginization, the BSA, in the church grounds for the purpose of promoting its agenda whic includes the acceptance of homosexuality which is against the precepts of the Church. Why not accept that the BSA cannot use the Church building any more?
 
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If they are delusional then what does it matter if they ban the Boy Scouts from their midst?

I honestly don't care, I think it's best for the Boy Scouts if they become a wholly secular organization that operates without any religious influence. Of course, they've profited by riding around on the back of the Christian dinosaur for so many years, but once in a while, you need to make a decision between being powerful and being right. I hope they make the right decision, which they've certainly started to make by finally rejecting the ban on gay scouts.
 
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You mean with regards to the matter of which we were discussing? Yes, I absolutely have the truth on that. I have the truth, verified by the fact that we all concede that none of us have any real idea as to the verifiable origins of everything... nobody...

Pretty objective, wouldn't you say? But, what the heck... go ahead, prove me wrong, using science of course, I will accept nothing less, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaa

Yet while we don't have any proof for the origins of everything, at least science doesn't go around just making up absurd nonsense because they're uncomfortable not knowing. That's the province of religion.

And no, it's not all that objective because if you wanted to be honest, you'd just admit you don't know and leave it at that, you wouldn't believe in gods and other mythological nonsense.
 
Interesing how you are an apologist and denier of Roman tyranny.

Are you a denier of any other significant historical events, say ones that occured during the last century?

If you're referring to the Buddhist killings of Muslims in Myanmar, no. My opinion re that matter is "Go for it"......................
 
I remember people on DP cheering and exhibiting great enthusiasm as various entities closed their sites to the BSA when they had continued in their ban on openly-gay scouts and scoutmasters, expressing great joy at each curtailment of BSA access or activity and saying "serves them right!"


Now, someone is cutting the BSA off for accepting homosexuals and everyone is down on them with harsh criticism.


Action A and Action B are identical.... an org says "we can't support the BSA in their policy" and denies access. You cheer one and denigrate the other because the action is taken for opposite causes.


So apparently... it's perfectly fine to "stand on principle"... but only when you agree with the principle being stood upon, right?
 
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Arent you supposed to love your enemy? That seems like forgiving them even though they sin to me.

You are supposed to love your enemy not for your enemy sake but for ones own so that hatred will not infest your heart and you wold not go down to paths of darkness.


I personally dont think homosexuality is a sin.

Good for you, they do though.


I think control freaks used the bible to rally against what they personally think is obscene.

What does being a control freak have to anything? They are simply not allowing an org to use their premises to promote a belief conrrary to their doctrine.


But I also beleive that some of the bible is defiled and not wholly true.


They belive the scripture is the uncorupted and true word of God.


Ive read too many passages that seem to be made from the mind of a greedy human lord or king.


That is your impression of reading the Bible they have a diffrent view.


Christians say "I feel in my heart this is true!" Well I feel im my heart that homosexuality isn't a sin.

So you think it is not sin and feel it is not sin.


[/QUOTE] I feel in my heart that men have guided the bible to their whims.[/QUOTE]

That is correct but in this case I think they have at ballance the scripture behind them as it is written.
 
I remember people on DP cheering and exhibiting great enthusiasm as various entities closed their sites to the BSA when they had continued in their ban on openly-gay scouts and scoutmasters, expressing great joy at each curtailment of BSA access or activity and saying "serves them right!"


Now, someone is cutting the BSA off for accepting homosexuals and everyone is down on them with harsh criticism.


Action A and Action B are identical.... an org says "we can't support the BSA in their policy" and denies access. You cheer one and denigrate the other because the action is taken for opposite causes.


So apparently... it's perfectly fine to "stand on principle"... but only when you agree with the principle being stood upon, right?

Now you expect people to be nonpartisan ? Only when people oppose you should they "rise above their partisanship"..................
 
Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker[W:220]

There's just a couple of problems with your post

First off, your examples were not "correct". Secondly, they do not refute brothern's claim about how the NT portrays women

But most importantly, the fact is that you tried (and failed) to dismiss brothern's opinions because you claimed he did not know about Christianity, and then you (mistakenly) pointed to a statement of his as proof of his misunderstanding (even though you misunderstood his remark). Then, to make matters worse, you have posted "facts" about the Bible that are untrue.

And now, you continue to dodge the irony of your attempt to show that brothern made a mistake about Christianity while making mistaken claims about the Bible.

But except for all that, it was great post. :)
 
I remember people on DP cheering and exhibiting great enthusiasm as various entities closed their sites to the BSA when they had continued in their ban on openly-gay scouts and scoutmasters, expressing great joy at each curtailment of BSA access or activity and saying "serves them right!"


Now, someone is cutting the BSA off for accepting homosexuals and everyone is down on them with harsh criticism.


Action A and Action B are identical.... an org says "we can't support the BSA in their policy" and denies access. You cheer one and denigrate the other because the action is taken for opposite causes.


So apparently... it's perfectly fine to "stand on principle"... but only when you agree with the principle being stood upon, right?

Yes, because discriminating against gays is exactly the same as not discriminating against gays!! :roll:
 
Originally Posted by Bonzai
"There was no Roman tyranny. That is just a fabrication of Christian propagandists. That "tyranny" involved, if you read between the lines, legalized abortion and gay people not being subject to the death penalty. If you're a "liberal" who buys into Christian spew, well, then you're really a conservative...................

Interesing how you are an apologist and denier of Roman tyranny."........

Reg: All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh-water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?
PFJ Member: Brought peace?
Reg: Oh, peace? SHUT UP!





(the point of my post: whether the Roman Empire was a good or bad thing is too complex a question for a simple answer.)
 
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If you're referring to the Buddhist killings of Muslims in Myanmar, no. My opinion re that matter is "Go for it"......................

Why would you support genocide against Muslims?
 
I remember people on DP cheering and exhibiting great enthusiasm as various entities closed their sites to the BSA when they had continued in their ban on openly-gay scouts and scoutmasters, expressing great joy at each curtailment of BSA access or activity and saying "serves them right!"


Now, someone is cutting the BSA off for accepting homosexuals and everyone is down on them with harsh criticism.


Action A and Action B are identical.... an org says "we can't support the BSA in their policy" and denies access. You cheer one and denigrate the other because the action is taken for opposite causes.


So apparently... it's perfectly fine to "stand on principle"... but only when you agree with the principle being stood upon, right?

The BSA were wrong to discriminate against gays.

The BSA is right to no longer discriminate against Gay scouts.

This is about condemning bigotry and discrimination.
 
Why would you support genocide against Muslims?

I don't support genocide against the Muslims. What I support is any measure that beats down monotheism in any form-------anywhere, any time......................
 
......So apparently... it's perfectly fine to "stand on principle"... but only when you agree with the principle being stood upon, right?

Standing on a good principal is good, standing on a bad principal is stupid or evil. So, basically, yes. Doesn't everyone think so?
 
I don't support genocide against the Muslims. What I support is any measure that beats down monontheism in any form-------anywhere, any time......................

Does this include the Holocaust? The number of monotheists went down by a good 11 million from that event.
 
Does this include the Holocaust? The number of monotheists went down by a good 11 million from that event.

There are no "exceptions". Monotheism must be halted, and, hopefully, reversed wherever and whenever it rears it's ugly head. It's a war, baby.......................
 
Its called Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, SNAP, S-CHIP, and the rest of the social safety net in the USA that Liberals fight daily to defend and Conservatives fight daily to destroy.

Oh, here is a check (from someone elses money) feel my compasion. Sorry, true compasion is giving of yourself not from the fruit of others.
 
Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker[W:220]

There's just a couple of problems with your post

First off, your examples were not "correct". Secondly, they do not refute brothern's claim about how the NT portrays women

He said there were no powerful female characters in the NT. I provided a list of them off the top of my head, with ONE of the list being from the OT. Your point here fails.

But most importantly, the fact is that you tried (and failed) to dismiss brothern's opinions because you claimed he did not know about Christianity, and then you (mistakenly) pointed to a statement of his as proof of his misunderstanding (even though you misunderstood his remark).

And when that jumbled sentence was pointed out I showed how it still was inaccurate.

Then, to make matters worse, you have posted "facts" about the Bible that are untrue.

False, I did no such thing. Unlike you, when I make a mistake, an error I admit it instead of trying to change topic and move goalposts.

And now, you continue to dodge the irony of your attempt to show that brothern made a mistake about Christianity while making mistaken claims about the Bible.

And what mistaken claims do you assert here? That's twice you invoked that without proof.
 
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He said there were no powerful female characters in the NT. I provided a list of them off the top of my head, with ONE of the list being from the OT. Your point here fails.

This is a lie. Your list included several from the OT, not just one.

It seems that you are guilty of that which you accused brothern of:

So, in other words, you're not a christian and you don't understand christianity or the Bible. band rejection of belief. Fine by me, but then why go to all the trouble of trying to trot out quotes and passages you don't understand the context of, trying to convince yourself of something?

You're not convincing us who are christians, we can see your error.
 
Oh, here is a check (from someone elses money) feel my compasion. Sorry, true compasion is giving of yourself not from the fruit of others.

Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, SNAP, S-CHIP, and other forms of our social safety net are collective compassion by the taxpayers of the USA.
 
Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker[W:220]

Why would I want to condemn people to hell?

No one is asking you to.

Why would I want to believe that the vast majority of humanity (as "unbelievers") is going to spend eternity in endless torture?

You are questioning Christian doctrine and the issue, the OP, is not about you.

Why would I use 'faith' to claim that I am more moral than everyone else?

The correct attitude of a Christian should be "Chief of Sinners though I be Christ is all and all in me." What do you use to claim moral superiority over evryone else?

I obviously have no more morality ("family values") or moral authority than anyone else on the Earth, except it seems, if I were a religious Christian.

Other religions also have such people in them too, need I point out the many of the Islamists base their actions on a moral point of view? The same is with Hndu and their cast system with untouchables. The same with some of the secular humanistst who think they are more moral because they do not follow a religion and use reason which may involve faulty premises. Are you sure you are not using the grounds of moral superiority in this.

Why would I publicly condemn and judge those who I believe to be 'morally unfit' like gays, sex workers, women who get abortions or even harmless idiots like those who cuss and swear?

The issue is and is the issue of the OP, that the Church has a right and a duty not to allow other orginizations that are counter to their message to use their facilities.


Why would I demand to say "Merry Christmas", pray in public or erect crosses and the 10 Commandments; just so Muslims, Buddhists, Sikhs and atheists can feel uncomfortable and excluded in their home countries?

Why do you demand for religious people to be quiet about their religous belief? What do you want Christians to say "Happy Solistice" or some other weak greeting? What do you care if someone prays in public? Just leave them alone. And as long as the crosses or the 10 Comandments are erected on private property what do you care? Also this issue is about what happens in the USA not other countries so that is a non-issue.


Why would I want to complain that I am being persecuted for actively practicing my Christian religion in the public square and in government, whilst showing minority faiths absolute disrespect?

How is public demonstration of faith disrespectful to minority faiths? And just because one is in government doesn't mean you give up the faith one cannot use the power of their position in government to impose it.
Why would I want to believe that praying, church attendance, tithing, God's Grace or repentance have any substantial benefit in this world; when that time spent in church could be spent actually helping needy people?

In Christiananity, Christians are not for this world but for the next and Christians DO donate both money and time to help needy people. That is called fruits of the faith.

Or all that money given to churches and pastors/preachers living comfortable, posh lives in first-world countries could instead be given to the poor and the unfortunate?

So they should not pray in public and should not have a building to pray in either. No doubt you would complain if they had too many at any one house in a prayer meetiing also. Also while I can consider pators having comfortable lives they do not live posh ones. I do not consider Carnival Preachers to be true to the faith so they do not count.

Why would I ever want to believe that humans have 'original sin'?

It is basic Christian doctraine you can chosee not to belive it. Also BTW Toist also an analogous concept that is smilar to original sin in its religious beliefs.


Why I would I want to have no hope in humanity, or the goodness and kindness of people?

No one is asking you to have no hope but the basic nature of humans is very bad or evil. Who is more likely to do evil the one who reconizes tendencis to do evil and conters the activly or the one who believs themselfs to be good and moral and fails to reconize such tendencies?


Why would I want to believe that all the suffering, misery and hopelessness in the world is required by an (1) an uncaring deity or (2) a merciless entity out to test his creations by causing them pain; instead of believing that there is NO God, and that on account of this, there is actual hope for humanity to better itself and ease it's suffering?

I wonder sometimes ...

If you want to lessen the suffering of mankind first you must reconise that you are capable in acting and supporting great evil. Second, you must question your motivations whether or not there is any evil intent. Third, you must understand the outcomes of any action that you do or any that you support. Fourth you must understand what can be changed in this world and how readily. Finaly you must accept that you could be wrong in some of your ideas. If you are able to do these you are ready to begin to couter the worlds suffering try not to make things worse by doing so.
 
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Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, SNAP, S-CHIP, and other forms of our social safety net are collective compassion by the taxpayers of the USA.


So you think that giving from the pocket book is compassion? You sir are cold.
 
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This is a lie. Your list included several from the OT, not just one.

It seems that you are guilty of that which you accused brothern of:

AFTER you pointed out my error, mistaking he said OT when he actually said NT I immediately admitted that mistake and posted this:

For the NT start with the Mother Mary. And in certain churches and certain bibles Mary Magdalene. There's Priscilla, the daughters of lot, the four daughters of the prophet Philip, Phoebe and Junia.

Which contained ONE OT reference, which you also caught.

This seems to be a theme with you this trollish behavior.
 
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