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Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker[W:220:563]

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Texmex said:
So you think that overeating is same as some rump-humper sticking his penis into your ass?
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That is disgusting.
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
Sure they can, they can do whatever the hell they want. This decision has no biblical basis, and is inconsistent. He didn't ban the boyscouts from the church when they were hiring pedophiles, gluttons, or masturbaters.



All sin is sin, in the eyes of god. I'd like to see the bible verse showing how the BSA sinned by NOT discriminating. The organization itself didn't sin, it hired sinners, which every person is a sinner.
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Is it that you have no clue, or are you just being deliberately obtuse?
 
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vendur said:
What is the function of a non-repentant sinner going to church, both to the church and the individual?
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To learn!!
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
Sure they can, they can do whatever the hell they want. This decision has no biblical basis, and is inconsistent. He didn't ban the boyscouts from the church when they were hiring pedophiles, gluttons, or masturbaters.
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It seems pretty likely that he would have if the BSA's official position was to though.

Which, again, seems reasonable to me.
 
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Texmex said:
Is it that you have no clue, or are you just being deliberately obtuse?
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Show me in the bible where homosexuality is a worse sin than gluttony. From what I understand gluttony is one of the 7 deadly sins and homosexuality isn't.
 
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MaggieD said:
That is disgusting.
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Do you find these homosexual acts disgusting or only a description of this lewd act?
 
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vendur said:
What is the function of a non-repentant sinner going to church, both to the church and the individual?
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In fairness, it's not a matter of being a non-reptentant sinner but being one who is openly non-reptentant.

Maggie genuinely doesn't seem to understand the concept about being openly in conflict with various church beliefs.

Any homosexual can find salvation in the church of their choosing.

What they can't do is stand up in the middle of Mass, shout they don't believe in the church's message, then refuse to leave.
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
Show me in the bible where homosexuality is a worse sin than gluttony. From what I understand gluttony is one of the 7 deadly sins and homosexuality isn't.
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I agree. I don't think Jesus ever quantified sin saying one was worse than another.
 
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MaggieD said:
To learn!!
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So are the gay boyscouts coming to church to learn that their sinful behavior is wrong and they need to repent?
 
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Dapper Andy said:
What they can't do is stand up in the middle of Mass, shout they don't believe in the church's message, and refuse to leave.
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And you think that's what boy scouts do??
 
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MaggieD said:
I agree. I don't think Jesus ever quantified sin saying one was worse than another.
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That really isn't relevant even if it is true though.
 
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MaggieD said:
I agree. I don't think Jesus ever quantified sin saying one was worse than another.
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Of course he didn't. He also didn't ban sinners from his church. He welcomed everyone in. These people just want to try to twist the bible to support their belief that homosexuality is "icky", while ignoring their own sin.

Dapper Andy said:
In fairness, it's not a matter of being a non-reptentant sinner but being one who is openly non-reptentant.

Maggie genuinely doesn't seem to understand the concept about being openly in conflict with various church beliefs.

Any homosexual can find salvation in the church of their choosing.

What they can't do is stand up in the middle of Mass, shout they don't believe in the church's message, and refuse to leave.
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I'll believe that when I see churches starting to ban people who remain fat and aren't trying to get skinny.

Dapper Andy said:
That really isn't relevant even if it is true though.
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Yeah, whatever jesus said is clearly irrelevant to this discuussion. :roll:
 
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vendur said:
So are the gay boyscouts coming to church to learn that their sinful behavior is wrong and they need to repent?
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No, they're coming to learn how to build fires.
 
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MaggieD said:
And you think that's what boy scouts do??
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They held a widely reported on conference to specifically determine if they would continue to follow the church's general view on homosexuality.

What exactly would you call that?
 
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Does this mean if a 7 year old boy says he hates girls they will kick him out?
 
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vendur said:
So are the gay boyscouts coming to church to learn that their sinful behavior is wrong and they need to repent?
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The military now allows gays to join. Do you harbor the same disgust for the military that you do for the boyscouts?

Do you think any church would deny a local veteran's organization having a bible study on church grounds because the military allows gays now?
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
Yeah, whatever jesus said is clearly irrelevant to this discuussion. :roll:
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Well, it is irrelevant.

This pastor's church is under no obligation to follow any teaching of Jesus it chooses not to.

I don't know that Jesus actually said all sins are equal but, even if he did, both you and the pastor have the same right to view lying about your wife looking fat in a dress and murder differently.
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
Show me in the bible where homosexuality is a worse sin than gluttony. From what I understand gluttony is one of the 7 deadly sins and homosexuality isn't.
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26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. 28 Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

Romans 1:26-32
 
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MaggieD said:
No, they're coming to learn how to build fires.
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"And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves, And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves."
 
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Dapper Andy said:
They held a widely reported on conference to specifically determine if they would continue to follow the church's general view on homosexuality.

What exactly would you call that?
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I didn't view it that way. I haven't seen it reported that way. Perhaps I missed it; but nonetheless, I support what they did. I don't support churches who ban little boys from their church...for whatever reason.
 
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vendur said:
"And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves, And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves."
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And yet they play Bingo.
 
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Texmex said:
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. 28 Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

Romans 1:26-32
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It said those people deserve death, after listing a laundry list of sins, to include murder, strife, deceit, malice, gossip, slander, god-hating, insolence, arrogance and pride.

It did not say the sin of homosexuality itself deserves death. Try again.

And if you want to go pick through the old covenant next, you should just save it unless you want to admit all of the old laws are still valid. You know, like stoning raped women.
 
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MaggieD said:
I didn't view it that way. I haven't seen it reported that way. Perhaps I missed it; but nonetheless, I support what they did. I don't support churches who ban little boys from their church...for whatever reason.
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How would you characterize it then?
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
It said those people deserve death, after listing a laundry list of sins, to include murder, strife, deceit, malice, gossip, slander, god-hating, insolence, arrogance and pride.

It did not say the sin of homosexuality itself deserves death. Try again.

And if you want to go pick through the old covenant next, you should just save it unless you want to admit all of the old laws are still valid. You know, like stoning raped women.
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You do know that Romans is in the New Testament, right?
 
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Dapper Andy said:
Maybe we should force you to believe it.

That's pretty much what you're advocating for when it comes to others, right?
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No, I'm advocating that Christians don't penalize and stigmatize all boy scouts because they consider that some few of them are sinners.
 
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