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Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker[W:220:563]

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In the eyes of god, they are equal. In the eyes of the law and our society, they are vastly different. One is a violent crime with a victim, and one isn't.
The pastor isn't breaking the law, he's "simply giving himself an opportunity to preach to them" - so if he wants to be a REAL Christian, he should let NAMBLA hold meetings at the church, right?
 
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It is a sin to lie

That is doctrinally wrong. It is not a sin to lie to someone that would harm another is asked for their location. That said what i said is not a lie.


BSA has made no statement that could be reasonably interpreted to mean that they think "homosexuality is not wrong" or that it is not a sin

The position that the BSA clearlly indicates that homosexuality is normal and thus countances it. That is the issue. Since they do so, so the pastor is required remove support the church had given it.
 
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◄ Matthew 7:6 ►


New International Version (©2011)
"Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.
New Living Translation (©2007)
"Don't waste what is holy on people who are unholy. Don't throw your pearls to pigs! They will trample the pearls, then turn and attack you.

English Standard Version (©2001)
“Do not give dogs what is holy, and do not throw your pearls before pigs, lest they trample them underfoot and turn to attack you.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
 
Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

That is doctrinally wrong. It is not a sin to lie to someone that would harm another is asked for their location. That said what i said is not a lie.




The position that the BSA clearlly indicates that homosexuality is normal and thus countances it. That is the issue. Since they do so, so the pastor is required remove support the church had given it.

Your claims about BSA are harmful to BSA and their members, and their position says nothing about homosexuality being normal.

They accept people with cleft palates. That doesn't mean they think cleft palates are normal.

It is a sin to lie

Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour
 
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The pastor isn't breaking the law, he's "simply giving himself an opportunity to preach to them" - so if he wants to be a REAL Christian, he should let NAMBLA hold meetings at the church, right?
The boyscouts aren't oriented around sin, they simply decided to allow homosexuals in, who are sinners, just like every human being.

NAMBLA the organization is oriented completely around sin. That's the difference.

For instance:
- A cookie baking club that happens to allow sinners to join (we're all sinners)
vs
- A pornography club

Every person in that church is a sinner, therefore his church is equally as guilty as the boyscouts.

It's like the church allowed the cookie baking club for decades to use the church facilities, but as soon as the club allowed homosexuals, they were banned from the premises. The cookie baking club from its inception was composed 100% entirely of sinners. What changed?
 
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You've quoted one verse over and over again "Sin no more", yet you haven't once shown how not-discriminating is condoning sin or is a sin itself. The fact is, christians have chosen homosexuality to be a worse sin, while they tolerate and ignore their own sins.

I'd like to see christians persecuting masturbaters and gluttons with the same passion they persecute homosexuals. Hell, homosexuality isn't even one of the seven deadly sins, and gluttony is. Why have we seen no churches kicking out fat people? Apparently according to you, all churches who allow fat people in their church are equal to the boyscouts. This is of course ignoring the fact that simply being human is a sin.
There ya go. Its all about what YOU want. Thats what drives this train.
 
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Think prostitute. It's not like they would be humping in church.. Honestly.
Think 'sin'. He didnt declare dont do it here, or dont do it there, he said go forth...and sin NO MORE. Pretty damning of the SIN, while still loving of the sinner.
 
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Well you'd be wrong. Although some of what you're saying applies. For me however, the CC's criminal cover up of rampant sexual crimes against young children is unconscionable. Add that to their subsequent convenient bankruptcy filings and the hypocrisy is beyond the pale for me.


The BSA has their own issue with that also. They need to come clean with that and the offenders prosecuted.
 
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And absolutely no one cared what some bigot pastor had to say.

In states like Alabama, bigot pastors and rush limbaugh are the Messiahs.
 
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In states like Alabama, bigot pastors and rush limbaugh are the Messiahs.

Just curious, have you ever lived there for any length of time?
 
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The BSA has their own issue with that also. They need to come clean with that and the offenders prosecuted.

On that note we agree, But the kids aren't offenders with very few exceptions.
 
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Think 'sin'. He didnt declare dont do it here, or dont do it there, he said go forth...and sin NO MORE. Pretty damning of the SIN, while still loving of the sinner.

Suggesting that Christ would throw a sinner out of his place of worship makes no sense. Now i could see it if the sinner was actively "sinning" in church.
 
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WTF are you talking about? These are young scouts for crying out loud.

It wasn't the "young' scouts that pressured the NBSC to "accept" gay scouts, was it.

and it certainly wasn't a bunch of church pastors advocated accepting gays.

So?

Who do you THINK pressured this change in policy?
 
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Suggesting that Christ would throw a sinner out of his place of worship makes no sense. Now i could see it if the sinner was actively "sinning" in church.
We dont have a lot of source material showing where he allowed for 'sin'. We do have source material as to what should be done by sinners.
 
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Seems a good place to link this...

"Chit Happens"
 
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If the BSA wants to secularize, than it must be ready to find secular venues.
 
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From the Wiki article-----------" Helena is highly regarded as a place to live and raise children "................probably the weirdest description of anything ever written..................................
 
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Suggesting that Christ would throw a sinner out of his place of worship makes no sense. Now i could see it if the sinner was actively "sinning" in church.

Women weren't allowed in inner temple when Christ was around and he never seemed to have a problem with that. He did however cast out the moneylenders, but I suppose that would satisfy your last condition.
 
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It's like the church allowed the cookie baking club for decades to use the church facilities, but as soon as the club allowed homosexuals, they were banned from the premises. The cookie baking club from its inception was composed 100% entirely of sinners. What changed?
The purpose of the cookie baking club isn't to raise ethical and moral individuals, so it's a poor analogy.

If the church thought it immoral to consume pork, and the cookie baking club suddenly proclaimed that it was going to include members who bake with lard - it would probably suffer the same fate. However, that same Church wouldn't refuse the Boy Scouts on those same grounds (that they don't ban cookie bakers who use lard). Your stance on embracing homosexuality doesn't speak to how you should make cookies, it does speak to how you prepare kids to make ethical and moral choices: some people believe that embracing homosexuality is immoral.
 
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It wasn't the "young' scouts that pressured the NBSC to "accept" gay scouts, was it.

and it certainly wasn't a bunch of church pastors advocated accepting gays.

So?

Who do you THINK pressured this change in policy?

The who isn't important. The why is.
 
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We dont have a lot of source material showing where he allowed for 'sin'. We do have source material as to what should be done by sinners.

We also have some pretty lurid descriptions of what should be done with Christians.........just saying........................
 
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Just curious, have you ever lived there for any length of time?

I'm not allowed to live there. I'm not White.
 
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We also have some pretty lurid descriptions of what should be done with Christians.........just saying........................
Please do continue. You know...since you are 'just sayin'...
 
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I'm not allowed to live there. I'm not White.
So what you are really saying is that you have a pocketful of bigotry and stereotype and know absolutely nothing about the actual population of Alabama, its demographics, etc. Gotcha.
 
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Please do continue. You know...since you are 'just sayin'...

Let the Lamb of God lie down with the lions.........................
 
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