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Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker[W:220:563]

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Wow...do you REALLY think that dodge is going to work?

Love sinners...but do not excuse sin. People ALWAYS rush to use Christ to justify their position when it is convenient but ignore the inconvenient parts. Christ absolutely showed love to the prostitute. He showed caring and compassion. He also directed her very clearly...go forth and sin no more. but...well...lets just gloss over that part.

There are no perfect people. We all fall short. Many do NOT believe homosexuality is a sin and GOOD ON THEM. They should live, love and be happy. Many believe in God and follow Christs teachings (though some just use them when it is as mentioned earlier...convenient). The preacher in question believes in the word of God and does not believe homosexuality...a sin...should be allowed. His faith...his practice...his choice. Some very judgmental types (irony there, right?) have quickly pounced on his position because he dares to not agree with them.

I didn't gloss anything over. Jesus never would've banned a sinner from a temple, period. The fact is, this preacher is equally as sinful in the eyes of god. There are no gradients of sin. So maybe he has a beer belly, or occaisonally thinks about sex. Both of those are sins and he's equally as sinful. The boyscouts didn't even sin, they just allowed a few people in who did sin (just like EVERY human being on the planet)

Denying people access to your church because you think they're sinners is the exact opposite of christianity. Too many people are making **** up to fuel their hate. This guy is a terrible christian and apparently wouldn't know the bible from his own asshole.
 
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Well that explains your hostility.

Really? Tell me then why I feel hostile towards the Catholic church. You seem to have me all figured out. This should be asy for you.



You do realize that the Baptists are not like the Catholic Church do you?

And this means what exactly? Last time I checked, both claim to follow the teachings of Christ. The guy who wouold have never thrown anyone out of his house. A point you have yet to admit or
get past.
 
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I didn't gloss anything over. Jesus never would've banned a sinner from a temple, period. The fact is, this preacher is equally as sinful in the eyes of god. There are no gradients of sin. So maybe he has a beer belly, or occaisonally thinks about sex. Both of those are sins and he's equally as sinful. The boyscouts didn't even sin, they just allowed a few people in who did sin (just like EVERY human being on the planet)

Denying people access to your church because you think they're sinners is the exact opposite of christianity. Too many people are making **** up to fuel their hate. This guy is a terrible christian and apparently wouldn't know the bible from his own asshole.
Good thing you arent judgmental or anything...

Now...about that go forth and sin no more thing...
 
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The BSA has made a policy decision that essentially states homosexuality is not wrong that is not a sin.

It is a sin to lie

BSA has made no statement that could be reasonably interpreted to mean that they think "homosexuality is not wrong" or that it is not a sin
 
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Good thing you arent judgmental or anything...

Now...about that go forth and sin no more thing...

If you can tell me that there is one person on earth who hasn't sinned, I'll capitulate.

Or even better, if you can tell me how not-discriminating is a sin, I'll also capitulate. (I'd like to see the bible verse)

By letting someone into your church you're not condoning every sin they've ever committed. You're simply giving yourself an opportunity to preach to them.

Picking and choosing which sins you think are worse than others is distinctly contradictory with the bible.
 
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Denying people access to your church because you think they're sinners is the exact opposite of christianity.
Good thing that's not what he's doing.
 
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Good thing that's not what he's doing.

You're right, he's denying access to his church to a group that simply isn't discriminating as hard as he wants. Not-discriminating isn't a sin. If you'd like to provide a bible verse showing how the boy scouts have committed a great atrocity, I'd like to see it.
 
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By letting someone into your church you're not condoning every sin they've ever committed. You're simply giving yourself an opportunity to preach to them.
Oh WELL then - GOSH if he were a REAL Christian and understood his faith as well as YOU clearly do, he'd be welcoming chapters of NAMBLA and allowing abortions to proceed on the premises.
 
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Oh WELL then - GOSH if he were a REAL Christian and understood his faith as well as YOU clearly do, he'd be welcoming chapters of NAMBLA and allowing abortions to proceed on the premises.

NAMBLA actively rapes boys. The boyscouts simply let sinners in, which isn't a sin. If you can show me a bible verse showing that allowing sinners into your organization is a sin, I'll admit I'm wrong right here on the spot.
 
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If you can tell me that there is one person on earth who hasn't sinned, I'll capitulate.

Or even better, if you can tell me how not-discriminating is a sin, I'll also capitulate. (I'd like to see the bible verse)

By letting someone into your church you're not condoning every sin they've ever committed. You're simply giving yourself an opportunity to preach to them.

Picking and choosing which sins you think are worse than others is distinctly contradictory with the bible.
Its not a question of whether someone has sinned. You probably missed the part where I stated that we all fall short. The issue is about those that dont just occasionally sin but rather promote it, embrace it, and have or see no desire to change. And lets be honest, you would be losing it in a completely different thread if tyhat same pastor allowed them to hold scout meetings in the church but attempted them to deny their sinful behavior. But again...you KNOW all of those things. Your position is that it is NOT a sin. Which is FINE...for you.
 
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Its not a question of whether someone has sinned. You probably missed the part where I stated that we all fall short. The issue is about those that dont just occasionally sin but rather promote it, embrace it, and have or see no desire to change. And lets be honest, you would be losing it in a completely different thread if tyhat same pastor allowed them to hold scout meetings in the church but attempted them to deny their sinful behavior. But again...you KNOW all of those things. Your position is that it is NOT a sin. Which is FINE...for you.

The boyscouts haven't promoted sin, embraced it, or had no desire to see it change. If you had been keeping up with the news, they were dragged into tolerance kicking and screaming.

Chances are there are no homosexuals in this pastor's local boy scout group, he just wants to make a political statement. If he were out banning people and organizations that commit any sin, then I would understand. At least he'd be consistent. Instead he's simply picked out homosexuality as a "worse" sin than the others, and has ignored his own sin and the sins of his congregation.
 
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Wow, you do go to great lengths to polish turds I'll give you that.

I do not polish turds, but I do state what the facts are as I see them. You aparentlly belive that the pastor is wrong to exclude the Boy Scouts due to their decision to accept openly homosexual members. His faith belives it is wrong to accept the sin and that is the reason why the BSA cannot use his church anymore. Why this is a big issue I do not know. It is not like that the refusal means very much in the long run after all they will find another place to go to.

Everyone has conduct or idea that they cannot countenance. Apparently you are one who belives that one cannot consider homosexual conduct is wrong and the pastor belives counterwise. I am merely trying to point out this.
 
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If people exercised decorum, there would be none of the gay controversy in boy scouts or marriage ect.

Flaunting sexuality is NOT condoned among religious people.

The problem is gays want recognition that they are okay and normal and they want to flaunt themselves.

That's asking a lot. Too much in fact.

Organizations that depend upon public support and that cave in to pressure from gay rights organizations, sign their own death warrant.

It's perfectly legal to ostracize people promoting political ideals offensive to you or to me or to the majority.

People WILL ostracize in defense of their OWN ideals and mores!

In other words, the National Boy Scout Council, though maybe well intentioned, peed in the milk, and now aren't welcome in certain houses, albeit houses of God.

You will see MORE derision and rejection, so prepare to get accustomed to it.

You simply can not JAM your version of morals or lack of, down peoples throats. They'll BITE you!
 
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The boyscouts haven't promoted sin, embraced it, or had no desire to see it change. If you had been keeping up with the news, they were dragged into tolerance kicking and screaming.

Chances are there are no homosexuals in this pastor's local boy scout group, he just wants to make a political statement. If he were out banning people and organizations that commit any sin, then I would understand. At least he'd be consistent. Instead he's simply picked out homosexuality as a "worse" sin than the others, and has ignored his own sin and the sins of his congregation.
The Boy Scouts decided to change their policy re allowing homosexuals. Personally...where it involves scouting youth, I have no problem with it. Others see it as a change in policy accepting homosexuality...what they classify as a 'sin'. To those individuals you should no sooner embrace homosexuals in their organization as you would make a known and open adulterer prayer leader and let them hold swing meetings in the chapel annex. That part of the 'Gospel' which you site but ALWAYS forget is still telling. "GO FORTH AND SIN NO MORE". Christ did not say embrace all sinful behavior. He didnt say accept, tolerate, and allow sinful behavior. He modeled love toward the individual with the UNDENIABLE clarity of judgment of the behavior. Go forth...and sin no more. Tell a group of people "come on in...and keep sinnin' like a rock star" is not consistent with that Christian model you attempted to use in your judgment of the pastor. And SINCE you are all about this Christian ideology, you might have some 'splainin to do with regard to your overt judgment of the pastor yourself. Or does that whole nonjudgmental/hypocrite thing only apply to others?
 
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NAMBLA actively rapes boys.
Didn't you JUST get done saying that "there are no gradients of sin. So maybe he has a beer belly, or occaisonally thinks about sex. Both of those are sins and he's equally as sinful."

Any REAL Christian understands that actively raping boys and having a beer belly are equal in the eyes of God, right?

The boyscouts simply let sinners in, which isn't a sin.
... NAMBLA is no different. They simply let sinners in.
 
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The Boy Scouts decided to change their policy re allowing homosexuals. Personally...where it involves scouting youth, I have no problem with it. Others see it as a change in policy accepting homosexuality...what they classify as a 'sin'. To those individuals you should no sooner embrace homosexuals in their organization as you would make a known and open adulterer prayer leader and let them hold swing meetings in the chapel annex. That part of the 'Gospel' which you site but ALWAYS forget is still telling. "GO FORTH AND SIN NO MORE". Christ did not say embrace all sinful behavior. He didnt say accept, tolerate, and allow sinful behavior. He modeled love toward the individual with the UNDENIABLE clarity of judgment of the behavior. Go forth...and sin no more. Tell a group of people "come on in...and keep sinnin' like a rock star" is not consistent with that Christian model you attempted to use in your judgment of the pastor. And SINCE you are all about this Christian ideology, you might have some 'splainin to do with regard to your overt judgment of the pastor yourself. Or does that whole nonjudgmental/hypocrite thing only apply to others?

1) Allowing homosexuals in your organization is not condoning their behavior. If they want to simultaneously speak out against them, they're free to do so, so your "Sin no more" reference makes no sense. They're not encouraging anybody to continue sinning.

2) You've refused once again to provide a verse reference showing that non-discrimination is a sin. Most likely because it isn't, and you're simply reaching.

3) I'm no longer a christian, but I don't discriminate based on religion or sexual preference. I treat people equally. That doesn't mean I won't look them in the eyes and tell them I disagree with them.

Didn't you JUST get done saying that "there are no gradients of sin. So maybe he has a beer belly, or occaisonally thinks about sex. Both of those are sins and he's equally as sinful."

Any REAL Christian understands that actively raping boys and having a beer belly are equal in the eyes of God, right?


... NAMBLA is no different. They simply let sinners in.

In the eyes of god, they are equal. In the eyes of the law and our society, they are vastly different. One is a violent crime with a victim, and one isn't.
 
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1) Allowing homosexuals in your organization is not condoning their behavior. If they want to simultaneously speak out against them, they're free to do so, so your "Sin no more" reference makes no sense. They're not encouraging anybody to continue sinning.

2) You've refused once again to provide a verse reference showing that non-discrimination is a sin. Most likely because it isn't, and you're simply reaching.

3) I'm no longer a christian, but I don't discriminate based on religion or sexual preference. I treat people equally. That doesn't mean I won't look them in the eyes and tell them I disagree with them.
Point of fact is that the people you 'disagree with' dont feel the same way and feel that allowing for homosexual behavior is in fact condoning it. I get that where people dont agree with you that makes them all kinds of wrong in your eyes. Remarkably...they feel the same way about you. So you have that going for you. Ive cited the verse several times...you just dont like it cuz it kinda kills your argument. Christ loved the sinner...but did not condone the sin. SIN NO MORE. Pauls letters were pretty clear and direct as well. SIN NO MORE. That is about as direct as can be. And while you may not claim to discriminate, boy you sure dont have a problem judging people, do you. Especially people who dont agree with you and causes you embrace.
 
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The problem is gays want recognition that they are okay and normal and they want to flaunt themselves.

!

WTF are you talking about? These are young scouts for crying out loud.
 
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. Christ loved the sinner...but did not condone the sin. SIN NO MORE. .

He still woudn't have booted their ass.
 
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Really? Tell me then why I feel hostile towards the Catholic church. You seem to have me all figured out. This should be asy for you.


Many former Catholics have issues be it the parochial schools and how indoctrination was overly focused on sin and not redemption, issues with policies like birth control (you cannot put a rubber on your willie) which have no biblical basis, issues with the church hierarchy, etc.


And this means what exactly? Last time I checked, both claim to follow the teachings of Christ.

The Catholic church has a strict hierarchy. Baptists do not have one. The Catholic Church the priest has the authority to excommunicate a member. In the Baptists it is the Congregation that does that. The Catholic Church pratices "closed communion". Most Baptists have open communion as long as the person is a confessing Christian. The Catholic Church interpets communion as becoming the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ. Baptists generaly belive that it is a Symbol of the Same. These are just some of the points on doctrine that are different.


T
he guy who wouold have never thrown anyone out of his house. A point you have yet to admit or
get past.


First, Jesus did not have a home of his own. Second, we are not talking about individuals but an organization that countances what the pastor considers sin. Thus the rejection of that orginization. I'm sure the pastor would be willing to council any gay person on the point of it being a sin and telling them that if they repent they can be forgiven and then not to engage in the sin again.
 
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He still woudn't have booted their ass.
Really? He wasnt exactly tolerant of the money changers in the temple was he?
 
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Really? He wasnt exactly tolerant of the money changers in the temple was he?

Think prostitute. It's not like they would be humping in church.. Honestly.
 
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Point of fact is that the people you 'disagree with' dont feel the same way and feel that allowing for homosexual behavior is in fact condoning it. I get that where people dont agree with you that makes them all kinds of wrong in your eyes. Remarkably...they feel the same way about you. So you have that going for you. Ive cited the verse several times...you just dont like it cuz it kinda kills your argument. Christ loved the sinner...but did not condone the sin. SIN NO MORE. Pauls letters were pretty clear and direct as well. SIN NO MORE. That is about as direct as can be. And while you may not claim to discriminate, boy you sure dont have a problem judging people, do you. Especially people who dont agree with you and causes you embrace.

You've quoted one verse over and over again "Sin no more", yet you haven't once shown how not-discriminating is condoning sin or is a sin itself. The fact is, christians have chosen homosexuality to be a worse sin, while they tolerate and ignore their own sins.

I'd like to see christians persecuting masturbaters and gluttons with the same passion they persecute homosexuals. Hell, homosexuality isn't even one of the seven deadly sins, and gluttony is. Why have we seen no churches kicking out fat people? Apparently according to you, all churches who allow fat people in their church are equal to the boyscouts. This is of course ignoring the fact that simply being human is a sin.
 
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First, Jesus did not have a home of his own. .

LOLOLOLOL You're killing me here. I actually have to explain to you that i was referring to a place of worship? Really?
 
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Many former Catholics have issues be it the parochial schools and how indoctrination was overly focused on sin and not redemption, issues with policies like birth control (you cannot put a rubber on your willie) which have no biblical basis, issues with the church hierarchy, etc..

Well you'd be wrong. Although some of what you're saying applies. For me however, the CC's criminal cover up of rampant sexual crimes against young children is unconscionable. Add that to their subsequent convenient bankruptcy filings and the hypocrisy is beyond the pale for me.
 
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