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Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker[W:220:563]

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You have to love the visceral reaction from the right wingers. Immediately throwing the 1st ammendment out there as if that had anything to do with this.

But it (the 1st Admendment) does and some people have to be reminded of it.



No one has suggested they don't have the right to be stupid ****ing idiots.


No one has yet suggested that the churches be brought up on charges.



The comments were directed to the blatant disregard for the very spirit of Chrisianity they claim to represent.

Some how I do not think you know what Christianity means. Repentance is reqired for forgivenes of sin.
 
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A Christian Church at that. Obviously they have their own take on what that truly means. There's a word for this...
In my experience....those who shout the loudest about being "Christian" are the ones who practice the least about what Jesus Christ taught.
 
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If the boy scouts were allowed to meet there before and now they are not because of gays being permitted to be in BSA then it is biased.

Yes they have "bias" aginst institutions that premote sin.
 
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What IS the point? And why would churches being tax exempt piss you off? They by and large are non-profit orgs and to exercise the right of religious afiliation they have to meet somewhere and having it at a dedicated building is more convinent to the members as well to the general public.

Most churches make money. Why should they be exempt? If their charitable work is enough to offset them paying tax then I'm fine with it.
 
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I enjoy firing people up..I never act like a fool..I dance around idiots..

If I break the ''rules''..Rules are made to be broken..

What are you??

A slave??

Really? You think this is ok? You just got the ignore filter.
 
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Do you post anything that isn't a strawman these days?

It's their property, that's fine. But face a little truth here - this change in policy doesn't suddenly mean there will be gay scouts anymore than the previous ban meant that there were none. Obviously, this Pastor either lives in the dark or is extremely naive that he thinks it really changes anything.

He got good press from this, and I'm sure when he runs for Congress it'll help him secure the extreme right, or a few more hate-filled people will file into his pews.

So sad that the righties can't own the Scouts anymore :2bigcry:

Wow. Do you think there are any liberals who consider themselves Christians? Or does that not fit with the row of boxes you seem to put everybody in to? The pastor has as much a right to his opinion as you do. Must be more of that broad acceptance the left is known for.

One of the things the BSA teach is leadership. Given the state of the current Democrat administration it would seem the right DOES indeed own the boy scouts. It is pretty clear there is no leadership on the left.
 
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Really? You think this is ok? You just got the ignore filter.

Oh no..I may cry all night..
 
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No one has yet suggested that the churches be brought up on charges.

The Catholic Church certainly deserves to be. Different topic though.

Some how I do not think you know what Christianity means. Repentance is reqired for forgivenes of sin.

Yes because only "true" Christians such as yourself truly understand Christianity.
 
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It is a church. If they feel that allowing gay scouts to use their facilities conflicts with the purpose and teachings of his church, then that is his right. I don't consider it being a jerk--I consider it exercising his organization's right to dissent.

No one's arguing it's not his right to do so, just that he's a douche and a terrible christian.
 
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Do you post anything that isn't a strawman these days?

It's their property, that's fine. But face a little truth here - this change in policy doesn't suddenly mean there will be gay scouts anymore than the previous ban meant that there were none. Obviously, this Pastor either lives in the dark or is extremely naive that he thinks it really changes anything.


That was not the pastor's point. It was that an org that has changed and accepting of somthing that the faith can not accept. Just that.



He got good press from this, and I'm sure when he runs for Congress it'll help him secure the extreme right, or a few more hate-filled people will file into his pews.

I doubt that he intendedto get good press or will run for a political office he IS the sheeperd of his flock after all.

So sad that the righties can't own the Scouts anymore :2bigcry:


This is not so much a political left/right issue as a issue about what sin is and what is considered and how to deal with the issue.

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This thread isn't about whether to take any of their rights away. It is about whether to consider the pastor a jerk, which is obviously a separate issue. And, he is in fact a jerk. Just because he has a right to be a jerk doesn't mean he needs to go ahead and be one.

He is not being a jerk. He had to take a stand due to the decision of the BSA. If he was a jerk not only would he oust them and without giving time for another location he would have made overt comments that go beyond pointng out the problem.
 
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Must be more of that broad acceptance the left is known for.

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So let me see if I understand this brilliant logic. You're condemning those on the left who are condemning this idiot Greg for his intolerance?

You can't make this **** up.
 
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No one's arguing it's not his right to do so, just that he's a douche and a terrible christian.

I almost agree with you on both points. However, you know how ridiculous it sounds to christians when they hear non-christians judging what is "christian" and what isn't? Not saying this is the case with you, just generally.
 
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No one's arguing it's not his right to do so, just that he's a douche and a terrible christian.

Then join his church and take over the congregation and fire him and let the scouts back in. What exactly would be a "good" Christian's politics?
 
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Then join his church and take over the congregation and fire him and let the scouts back in. What exactly would be a "good" Christian's politics?

I would never want to join a church, especially one as douchey as that. Christians are supposed to be about "love the sinner" and welcome them in. A good christian would welcome them into his church then use the opportunity to preach to them about the err of their ways.

I almost agree with you on both points. However, you know how ridiculous it sounds to christians when they hear non-christians judging what is "christian" and what isn't? Not saying this is the case with you, just generally.

I get it, but I was raised in an extremely fundamentalist southern bible belt christian home. I was a hardcore christian myself for 22 years, and a good half of my tattoos are religious in nature. I'm an atheist now, but I still grew up in the community and understand how a proper church reacts, and how a douchey one does.
 
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Jesus hung out with the sinners

So that he could instruct and council them. He also said "go and sin no more.". I'm sure the pastor would be willing to do the same. Accepting them in the Church is a diffrent deal altogether.
 
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He is not being a jerk. He had to take a stand due to the decision of the BSA. If he was a jerk not only would he oust them and without giving time for another location he would have made overt comments that go beyond pointng out the problem.

I wonder if would ban divorce lawyers?

"But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a woman who is divorced commits adultery." (Matt. 5:32)
 
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I would never want to join a church, especially one as douchey as that. Christians are supposed to be about "love the sinner" and welcome them in. A good christian would welcome them into his church then use the opportunity to preach to them about the err of their ways.

Well Southern Baptists are not exactly known for loving even each other. So are saying that the gays are sinners before God or that the Boy Scouts are?
 
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Because the two terms are mutually exclusive, dissenters can never be jerks :roll:

As far as I can tell he was not being a jerk about his refusal.
 
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Well Southern Baptists are not exactly known for loving even each other. So are saying that the gays are sinners before God or that the Boy Scouts are?
According to the bible, only the gays themselves would be held accountable before god. The boy scouts have simply decided not to descriminate against sinners, that's not a sin.

I find the whole gay-bashing tendency of christians to be rather insane. There are no gradients of sin, every sin is equal in the eyes of god. Therefore, their sin of being gay is equally as bad as your sin of lustful thoughts, vices, gluttony, envy, or simply being human.
 
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According to the bible, only the gays themselves would be held accountable before god. The boy scouts have simply decided not to descriminate against sinners, that's not a sin.

I find the whole gay-bashing tendency of christians to be rather insane. There are no gradients of sin, every sin is equal in the eyes of god. Therefore, their sin of being gay is equally as bad as your sin of lustful thoughts, vices, gluttony, envy, or simply being human.

I find the whole Christian-bashing tendency of progressive secularist rather insane myself, especial when they preach tolerance and diversity, but that is just the reality of life today.
 
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I find the whole Christian-bashing tendency of progressive secularist rather insane myself, especial when they preach tolerance and diversity, but that is just the reality of life today.

I find the homosexual bashing of some Christian sects rather insane myself.
 
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I find the whole Christian-bashing tendency of progressive secularist rather insane myself, especial when they preach tolerance and diversity, but that is just the reality of life today.

So I guess you because you haven't made a rebuttal, you must agree with me. Jesus lived and dined among sinners every day. He put himself among them so that he could spread the word. This preacher has decided he'd rather make a political statement by banning innocent young boys from the premises. He's a coward and a bad christian.

I do preach tolerance and diversity, which is why I'm opposed to anyone who is against those things. I have no problem with any religious person that doesn't try to force their beliefs on others, discriminate, or petition the government to have their religious views enforced.

Why can't we all just believe what we want to believe, and let each other be?
 
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As far as I can tell he was not being a jerk about his refusal.

That is your opinion, and you have the right to express it

My opinion is that he is a jerk and a poor example of a Christian. I have just as much right to express my opinion as you do yours
 
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Hilarious. As if the church itself would have a single soul in it if sin and sinners were banned?

Honestly, the inability of the right to admit religious hypocrisy is stunning in its blindness.


I do not know why you are putting this as a political issue when it is a religius doctrine issue.
 
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I find the homosexual bashing of some Christian sects rather insane myself.

But it does keep them in the news doesn't it? Has done wonders for Westboro and I am pretty sure they want you and most people to be offended by what they do, or else they wouldn't be doing it.
 
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