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Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker[W:220:563]

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cpwill said:
On the contrary, he was doing precisely what the Scriptures tell him to do.
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Then the myriad Baptist churches that are allowing BSA to meet should have their 401c3's revoked. ;)

Love thine enemies or poke out their eyes. Which one ya' like? "The scriptures" support both.
 
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MaggieD said:
Then the myriad Baptist churches that are allowing BSA to meet should have their 401c3's revoked. ;)
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:) failure to follow the directions of Jesus Christ do not revoke your Christian status, it merely confirms Christianity's a priori argument.

Love thine enemies or poke out their eyes. Which one ya' like? "The scriptures" support both.
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He's free to love them - and he should. No one is suggesting hating the boy scouts. What scripture says to do, however, is to disassociate from the Church anyone who refuses Christian morality. If the Boy Scouts had decided to encourage prostitution or hating others, churches would equally be required to disassociate themselves.
 
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cpwill said:
:) failure to follow the directions of Jesus Christ do not revoke your Christian status, it merely confirms Christianity's a priori argument.

He's free to love them - and he should. No one is suggesting hating the boy scouts. What scripture says to do, however, is to disassociate from the Church anyone who refuses christian morality. If the Boy Scouts had decided to encourage prostitution or hating others, churches would equally be required to disassociate themselves.
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And yet the vast majority of churches, by far, are not doing so.

Look, I just think it's wrong for churches to punish kids for any reason. The end result of the decisions that (at least) two churches made is to do just that. Of course, they're free to do whatever the hell they want. I just think it's wrong. Very un-Christianlike.
 
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cpwill said:
On the contrary, he was doing precisely what the Scriptures tell him to do.
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There are few things more repugnant than those who twist the words of the Bible to further their cause.
 
Top Cat said:
There are few things more repugnant than those who twist the words of the Bible to further their cause.
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i know, right? Like non religious and in fact anti-religious people using segments and pieces of scripture to justify their own belief system or to hypocritically attack others. Disgusting.
 
jwzg said:
RA, sorry, but if a fruit fly demonstrates greater O2 uptake or a family line of humans becomes taller over time, the DNA is still that of a fruit fly or a human, and it has not gained traits. It is simply expressing information that is already there. Where traits are gained, lost or mutated, there is no positive benefit. I'm not a strict creationist, per se, but what you speak of is really not evolution in the sense it is taught in schools.
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Your DNA is not identical to your parents. There are thousands, if not millions of little changes and mutations. There is no "single step" that will turn something into a new species, it is a series of millions, if not billions of little steps.

The DNA of the new fruit flies is different from normal fruit flies. YES, that is EXACTLY, WORD-FOR-WORD, the evolution that is taught in school. What, when you think of evolution are you expecting monkeys megamorphing into humans?
 
As an Eagle Scout myself, and one whose Troop met at a Lutheran Church (and I believe still does); I have no problem with what this pastor is doing. The twelth and final point of the Scout Law is "reverent". That doesn't necessarily mean particularly religious, but it does denote believing in something. Scouting has long associated itself with religious organizations in any number of ways based on a common set of values between the organizations. When that commonality is reduced so too are the chances that the church wants to continue associating with the BSA.

The BSA has the power to choose who they want to admit to their ranks as members and leaders. Likewise, they should respect the choices of who decides to associate with them. Just as we all pick and choose where we want to do our grocery shopping and other business transactions with, why should the church not be allowed to choose whom they do business with?
 
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MaggieD said:
Well, so far, it is their right. It's also my right to think they're jerks.

If this Baptist church interprets through its faith that it's just fine to discriminate against people based upon sexual discrimination/gay rights discrimination or anything else? They are poor examples of the Christian faith, in my opinion.
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Why on earth would the scouts want to have their meetings in a church?

I was a scout and I am Jewish and I am not sure how I would feel about having meetings in a church.

We had them at my elementary school at night, which was weird enough.
 
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Mason66 said:
Why on earth would the scouts want to have their meetings in a church?

I was a scout and I am Jewish and I am not sure how I would feel about having meetings in a church.

We had them at my elementary school at night, which was weird enough.
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Well churches are generally centrally located in the community as are elementary schools. However, soem elementary schools can no longer afford to stay open to allow outside groups like the BSA to meet. But if you're talking about the OP I believe the church had a camp that they used to let the BSA use.
 
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Just my opinión nothing more.

If a young boy has declared himself as gay, he is already thinking about sex in some way.

Most boys his age are not and that could be a problem, epecially on a camp out type situation.

I don't remember any boys I knew knowing they were gay or even what that was. We saw later they had come out but as young boys, scout age, it was not an issue.
 
Indeed, the DNA nucleotide sequence is not identical, and, of course, there is genetic variability within species. You will get no argument here. However, most curricula make a massive jump from theory to law when teaching evolution holding the key to the origin of life as well as domain, kingdom and phylum distinction as unquestionable truth rather than theory, which, whether we like it or not, IS what is currently taught.

600 posts...I need to stick with my day job.
 
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cpwill said:
On the contrary, he was doing precisely what the Scriptures tell him to do.
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Jesus admitted that scripture can be wrong because of man.


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Mathew 19-7

"Then why did Moses say in the law that a man could give his wife a whitten notice of divorce and send her away?" they asked.

Jesus replied, "Moses permitted divorce only as a concession to your heard hearts, but it was not what God had originally intended."
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If it can be wrong once it can be wrong again.

So I argue the average person was disgusted by homosexuality so the church concede to mans heart through time. Well now its time to concede to gay people.
 
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Mason66 said:
Just my opinión nothing more.

If a young boy has declared himself as gay, he is already thinking about sex in some way.

Most boys his age are not and that could be a problem, epecially on a camp out type situation.

I don't remember any boys I knew knowing they were gay or even what that was. We saw later they had come out but as young boys, scout age, it was not an issue.
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When I was younger kids were already dating by 4th grade (dating meaning holding hands on the playground) so I think it's very likely that a young boy might know that he'd rather hold another boys hand than a girls at that age.
 
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Mason66 said:
Why on earth would the scouts want to have their meetings in a church?
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Churches will generally offer their space free of charge to charitable organizations. They also often have larger spaces available than other locations.
 
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Monserrat said:
When I was younger kids were already dating by 4th grade (dating meaning holding hands on the playground) so I think it's very likely that a young boy might know that he'd rather hold another boys hand than a girls at that age.
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Where did you live that 10 year olds were dating?
 
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Tigger said:
Churches will generally offer their space free of charge to charitable organizations. They also often have larger spaces available than other locations.
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The meetings are usually held at night and I can't think of a wierder place for a Young kid to be than an almost empty church at night.

The elementary school was wierd enough at night.
 
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Mason66 said:
The meetings are usually held at night and I can't think of a wierder place for a Young kid to be than an almost empty church at night.

The elementary school was wierd enough at night.
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0_0 I dont get why you are subtly trying to portray boyscouts as a molestation/sex camp. Never once did I ever come anywhere near anything slightly resembling a sexual encounter in boyscouts. I was an incredibally poor child and they paid my way many times over and taught me nothing but good stuff.

And you seriously cant conceive what he means by "little kid dates" even when he tells you it only consists of holding hands? I guess you could argue its a misnomer but I argue you are purposely inflating a non-existent issue.
 
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dirtpoorchris said:
0_0 I dont get why you are subtly trying to portray boyscouts as a molestation/sex camp. Never once did I ever come anywhere near anything slightly resembling a sexual encounter in boyscouts. I was an incredibally poor child and they paid my way many times over and taught me nothing but good stuff.

And you seriously cant conceive what he means by "little kid dates" even when he tells you it only consists of holding hands? I guess you could argue its a misnomer but I argue you are purposely inflating a non-existent issue.
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Where did I mention anything sexual in my comments?

I mean it is a creepy place in the dark and when it is empty. A little boys imagination goes wild sometimes.

Also when I see two little boys or two little girls holding hands I don't think they are gay.

Little kids are asexual and don't think in those terms until adults tell them to think that way.
 
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Mason66 said:
The meetings are usually held at night and I can't think of a wierder place for a Young kid to be than an almost empty church at night.

The elementary school was wierd enough at night.
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Generally we are not talking about being in the sanctuary area of the building, but rather in office or community areas.
 
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Mason66 said:
Where did I mention anything sexual in my comments?

I mean it is a creepy place in the dark and when it is empty. A little boys imagination goes wild sometimes.

Also when I see two little boys or two little girls holding hands I don't think they are gay.

Little kids are asexual and don't think in those terms until adults tell them to think that way.
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.... ok man.... You can argue you implied nothing but its pretty obvious.
 
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Mason66 said:
Where did I mention anything sexual in my comments?

I mean it is a creepy place in the dark and when it is empty. A little boys imagination goes wild sometimes.

Also when I see two little boys or two little girls holding hands I don't think they are gay.

Little kids are asexual and don't think in those terms until adults tell them to think that way.
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Agreed, but the adults in charge of advertising and promotion, and now education want to make sure 10 year olds are fully aware and sexualized.
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
Taylor said:
Gotta love it when so-called libertarians keep to the philosophy only when they find it convienent. Good god, you all are more judgmental than the Christians you constantly whine about.
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The hell? Did I ever say he HAD to do anything? Did I ever say the state should swoop in and force him to do anything? No. I just called him a douche bag and a terrible christian.
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That's called being judgmental. The dictionary is your friend.

RabidAlpaca said:
If you can tell me why having that opinion makes me a terrible libertarian, by all means, do it.
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It doesn't make you a terrible libertarian, it makes you a semi or quasi libertarian. You make the point that the discrimination is legally acceptable but morally wrong. Why do you care how he treats gay people? Do gay people (or anyone for that matter) have some sort of moral right to compassion or kindness or respect from others? Who are you to call others "douche bags" simply because they don't treat others the way that you would? What's the underlying philosophy that justifies your brand of judgmentalism, because it's surely not libertarianism.
 
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Taylor said:
That's called being judgmental. The dictionary is your friend.


It doesn't make you a terrible libertarian, it makes you a semi or quasi libertarian. You make the point that the discrimination is legally acceptable but morally wrong. Why do you care how he treats gay people? Do gay people (or anyone for that matter) have some sort of moral right to compassion or kindness or respect from others? Who are you to call others "douche bags" simply because they don't treat others the way that you would? What's the underlying philosophy that justifies your brand of judgmentalism, because it's surely not libertarianism.
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You have absolutely no idea what libertarianism means. In no way, shape, or form, does it mean that you have zero opinions and never judge anybody. You can judge the hell out of them, you just can't force them to do anything.

I hate bigots, racists, sexists, and other pieces of ****. This clown is a bigot, and a terrible christian.

So if you'd like to show some references showing that libertarianism means keeping your mouth shut and never "saying anything mean" about anybody, then spit 'em out. Otherwise, stop making yourself look like an even bigger idiot.

And why the "undisclosed" lean? Afraid somebody is going to make up **** about what they think you believe?
 
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Gaugingcatenate said:
And yet...and yet you would have us believe that, basically, a rock decides it wants to be alive in the future, so it, somehow, figures that out and actually does this amazing feat that even these so intelligent, highly qualified and motivated "scienctist" creating all the most favorable circumstances, even they cannot achieve...

And....wonder of wonders, this rock also somehow figures out how to create a completely new idea, DNA, to continue rocks becoming alive and striving to continue to live, providing for diversity, blah blah blah...and claim this to be true even though it cannot be proven true, or just as probably if not more probably is untrue... and then DEMAND that all the rest of us study this silliness as if it were absolutely true and also accept it... that is a little just a little dictatorial, would you not agree? At least our side asks you to voluntarily accept it, its not foisted upon us in the schools that, in effect, worship these scientific "pronouncements" as sacred of this small scientific elite and what they say, which is what they say must go...

You talk about sad and childish, and add that dimension of totalitarianism...scary...
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The scientific theory of the origin of life has no rocks making decisions. The first thing to know about the theory is that the evidence suggests that the universe is extremely old and extremely large and the conditions on the extremely large number of planets varies greatly due to varying distance from their stars and the different chemicals found on each planet. The theory is that on one or more of these millions or billions or more planets the conditions were such that the chemicals at some point happened to form into a substance capable of being a building block for life. These chemical building blocks of life combined in various forms until self reproducing life was made. Over millions of years some of these self replicating simple form of life evolved into more complex life forms.

In my view, this theory seems quite plausible when you consider the size and age of the universe.
 
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